Originally Posted by ss9001
OK, thank you. No, you didn't make yourself clear at all. I can only go by what someone says he did or didn't do.
and so, back to the beginning. all the machinations you have done, playing with the bi-wire, bi-amp options won't do a darn thing to augment the bass if it's that bad. you may be sitting in a null but you may want to start demoing other speakers and see if your dealer will do an in-home evaluation before buying or give you a return window.
at this point, I'd consider returning them or ask your dealer to swap for another brand because you are spinning your wheels and clearly not happy with their sound. if you really did listen in Pure Direct mode, and they sound lifeless to you, then don't expect the tweaking MCACC EQ does to make up for what clearly seems to be a sound you don't like. while you can manually tweak the EQ, you may never reach a sound that you are looking for.
I can't comment any more on what you did in your setup. I have no more possible answers to give for a speaker that is that deficient. you may have a lemon or it may not be the speaker for you.
and regardless, you will want a good sub because not many full range speakers can compete with a good sub for home theater use. music yes, many many can do quite well w/o a sub. but good HT almost mandatory to have a subwoofer.
Music is my 1st priority... that is the reason I went with a "full range" speaker such as the KEF. And then down the road will be adding the centre, sub, rears, and whatever else. I am happy with the way they sound but just thought they should have a stronger presence and better bass. Many reviews I have read with those speakers such as the this one from "stereophile.com"
Yes, the mere sight of three 8" bass cones raised my expectations of robust and prominent lows, but the KEF exceeded those expectations. One of my favorite tests for musical bass is the concert harp, which covers a very wide frequency range, and whose plucked strings offer sharp transients way down into the bass. There's no shortage of detail or power on harpist Lavinia Meijer's solo recital Fantasies & Impromptus (SACD, Channel Classics CCS SA 31711), which includes works by Spohr, Fauré, Pierné, Saint-Saëns, and others. The bass here was very deep, taut, and precise, all the while emanating from Meijer's central stage position.
By the bye, I was comparing, at rather high levels, the sounds of two disc players playing the organ compilation Pipes Rhode Island (CD, Riago CD 101) when I realized that the Q900s were shaking the room with authority. This so impressed me that, just for kicks, I called on my two Paradigm subwoofers (one Reference Servo-15, one Studio SUB 15) to assist below 40Hz, and thought it pretty close. Adding the EQ'd subs extended and amplified the shuddering, but not so much as would make them essential. Big bass-drum thwacks, such as in Pletnev's Tchaikovsky 5, had more palpable impact with the subs or through the big B&Ws, but the KEFs were no slouches. Basically, even though they worked well with them, the Q900s did not need help from subs.
I just heard such a difference from what I heard when I was doing the demo to what I heard when I got home. I know the room has a big part it in as well as the break in period. They do sound better the more I play them. I think to put this to bed I have to understand that to get bass out of these speaker I will need a sub. As for the rest of the speakers, the soundstage is amazing, the highs are amazing. I think once I have a good sub it will fill the voids that I am perceiving and I will be much happier with the money I have spent and the sound I am hearing.
I also think that it has just taken me sometime to get used of not hearing a "jacked up" sound like are normally found on other low end equipment and HTIB and whatnot. I'm not that naive to say that I can't take that into consideration. Also I will say that I was getting upset because it was a great expense and it was 100% what I thought them to be. I don't make much money and took me years to save up to buy these, and when they were not 100% fulfilling my expectations I started grasping for straws and getting upset.
Time to move on and get a sub