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post #61 of 91
Do you live in an apartment / condo? If you do, I would suggest moving to a house. Then upgrade / buy speakers / subs / AVR and external amps. $600 dollars isn't going to get the same or similar experience as you get at the theater.
post #62 of 91
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Do you live in an apartment / condo? If you do, I would suggest moving to a house. Then upgrade / buy speakers / subs / AVR and external amps. $600 dollars isn't going to get the same or similar experience as you get at the theater.

Wow, why I didn't think about that before. I'll call my real estate agent first thing Monday...LOL
post #63 of 91
Good to know. Just being realistic. Hey, but if you want to go ahead and wast $600 dollars go ahead biggrin.gif
post #64 of 91
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

$600 dollars isn't going to get the same or similar experience as you get at the theater.
How much $$$ is required to get the cinema-sound experience?
post #65 of 91
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

How much $$$ is required to get the cinema-sound experience?

I'm not really sure, but it might be cover under Obamacare. biggrin.gif
post #66 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

If you are still using them for your main setup, what don't you like about them? Or what are you seeking to improve with the DIY if I may ask?

I've always used them as the speakers for my computer, not my main setup, and I still use them there. I don't actually intend to replace the Hsu speakers, just my mains which are Infinity Primus, which are also very good speakers for the money. If I have any complaint about the Hsu speakers, I suppose I would say they are somewhat recessed in the treble, and so don't quite get as many details in that range as other speakers. However, as a consequence, the Hsu speakers are easier to listen to for prolonged periods. My Infinity speakers are more fatiguing, I can't really rock them for more than an album length without needing to give my ears a rest. The Hsus are softer in the treble but easier on the ears, I suppose it's a trade-off. I wouldn't bother replacing them until I can get substantially much better performing speakers, and almost nothing that costs less than $1k interests me at the moment.
post #67 of 91
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

How much $$$ is required to get the cinema-sound experience?

You will need a lot more than $600 for cinema level subwoofer bass, but, in a small room, you could get cinema caliber sound LCRs for $600 with kits. Check this out:
Fusion 8 Alchemy parts + front baffle x 3 = $483 shipped
cabinet flat pack for fusion 8 x 3 = $75
binding posts, stuffing, paint, etc maybe $50

It takes some assembly on your part, but in a small room that setup will give you a big dynamic sound much like commercial cinemas, and it is roughly $600 altogether.
post #68 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

Cel, I am not looking for a "better speaker" per se. Overall, I am happy with the Pioneers. I'm looking for a certain characteristic and I can't easily identify it just by demoing at the stores. Maybe it is not the speaker but the movie is mixed differently or setup differently for theater, and I'm just chasing butterflies. If it is the case that a better speaker can provide this particular need, I wonder if the ones within budget are a leap from the pioneers.

You could take that movie with you and see if it sounds the way you think it should on any other setups you demo.
post #69 of 91
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

You will need a lot more than $600 for cinema level subwoofer bass, but, in a small room, you could get cinema caliber sound LCRs for $600 with kits. Check this out:
Fusion 8 Alchemy parts + front baffle x 3 = $483 shipped
cabinet flat pack for fusion 8 x 3 = $75
binding posts, stuffing, paint, etc maybe $50

It takes some assembly on your part, but in a small room that setup will give you a big dynamic sound much like commercial cinemas, and it is roughly $600 altogether.
I guess the best non-DIY route is to get the CHT Theater-10 speakers? The pre-order price is $300 per speaker.
post #70 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

Hey Guys:

I'm currently using Pioneers BS22 and C22 for my LCR. My usage is 85% movies/TV and 15% music. I've been overall happy with my budget system. Many here may flinch but I actually enjoy listening to music on these, so I wouldn't change them just for this.

However, I have found something lacking when watching movies with epic soundtracks. This is usually limited to the "summer blockbuster". So I'm ok otherwise. I feel the sound in these movies doesn't elevate in the same way I'm expecting them to (from previous experience at the theater). I understand is not going to be 1:1 but still I come out a little bit disappointed. Case in point, in Dark Knight Rises, in Batman's first appearance under the tunnel (when he is first spotted by the patrol car), the soundtrack elevates to involve you in the grandiose moment. However, I don't feel the same with the BS22 playing it. Special effects, etc, sound just good.I attribute this to weak dynamics, even though I listened below reference level (-25db in my Yamaha receiver).

Somehow, I am fixated at the HSU HB-1 Mk2/ HC-1. They are $600 with shipping. Some of the reasons I like these are the "Huge soundstage" and "Unrestrained dynamics" and "slam" accolades most pro reviewers seem to agree on. Another option I've been looking into is Empteks E5bis with E56Ci (large center) that I could have for $620 shipped. I know a lot of people here like the Ascends, but i'm not sold on the 170 SE's and couldn't afford the 340Se's under this budget.

I guess my questions and dilemma, is it worth the $600 upgrade from my current system? Will the upgrade be night and day? or would it just be a minor upgrade and should I save my money for something better later down the road?

!

Tell us about your subs. If there are none, then that's where your $600 to Hsu would best be spent.
post #71 of 91
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I know Arnyk, like I said before, I am not denying the fact that I need a better sub. However, I have to use my sub at lower volumes. I acknowledge that even at lower volumes, a better sub will give me more detail. but that is not what I'm after here. At I'll put an additional $600 towards the sub once I can take full advantage of it, but living in an apartment limits me to what I can enjoy.

What I feel I'm lacking (In terms of what I'm specifically seeking at the moment) is best described In the batman scene I mentioned. And again, it doesn't happened with all movies, just a few where the soundtrack plays a dramatic role. At the theater, when watching DKR, I remembered the orchestra elevated to such proportions delivering a dramatic impact. That feeling seems weaker in my system, coming from the mains, I assume. It looks like all those notes making the impact are above the 60hz range. It could also be that the sound source is split between the mains and surrounds, and my surrounds are weak onkyo satellites. It could also be the movie is set up differently at the theater to make this dramatic statements, and the home mix putting more emphasis to what plays at the center channel. I'm just speculating here.
post #72 of 91
The thing with the Theater is you are so far away from the screen, the sound will take a good chunk of change to get close to i'm sure, but to be in the middle of the screen i have to sit in the back and that kind of takes away from the experience.

All of the Dark Knight movies really kicked butt on our main system (Polk R50, Velodyne VX-10) and that was not $600.

Then again there are floorstanders you can get at that price range that are said to handle themselves pretty well in the bass department without bothering the neighbors...oh decisions decisions! (Check out the Polk Outlet on ebay)
I think you'd be really happy with a popular $200 sub, then maybe a receiver with some calibration software.
post #73 of 91
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I've always used them as the speakers for my computer, not my main setup, and I still use them there. I don't actually intend to replace the Hsu speakers, just my mains which are Infinity Primus, which are also very good speakers for the money. If I have any complaint about the Hsu speakers, I suppose I would say they are somewhat recessed in the treble, and so don't quite get as many details in that range as other speakers. However, as a consequence, the Hsu speakers are easier to listen to for prolonged periods. My Infinity speakers are more fatiguing, I can't really rock them for more than an album length without needing to give my ears a rest. The Hsus are softer in the treble but easier on the ears, I suppose it's a trade-off. I wouldn't bother replacing them until I can get substantially much better performing speakers, and almost nothing that costs less than $1k interests me at the moment.

ShadyJ, I just saw your HSU system photo in a different thread. That looks killer. Are your Primus a better HT system than your HSUs?
post #74 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

ShadyJ, I just saw your HSU system photo in a different thread. That looks killer. Are your Primus a better HT system than your HSUs?

They both have their strengths. The Primus p362 have clearer mids and more detailed highs, but I really like the Hsu soundstage and punchy bass. I prefer the hsu for music, and either are great for movies and games.
post #75 of 91
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Thanks. I'll be listening to other speakers when I get the chance, but I keep coming back to the HSUs, Empteks and I guess I should consider the forum's budget favorite ascends. I am leaning a little bit towards the HSU, as they have been in my sight for a while now. Since I need better surrounds anyways, and it seems the BS22s are probably the cheapest audiophile quality speakers out there, it may make sense to put mine to surrounds duty and get a new front stage while I'm at it.

I'll probably be waiting for a black Friday special and pull the trigger. I hope it is easy to sell my pioneer center. If anyone has any other suggestion, I'd welcome it (unless it is NAIM101 suggesting I buy the Tekton Pendragons smile.gif )
post #76 of 91
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I went ahead and placed an order for the HSUs speakers. I hope they live up to the hype.
post #77 of 91
I'll cross my fingers for you that they are what you are looking for smile.gif
post #78 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

I went ahead and placed an order for the HSUs speakers. I hope they live up to the hype.

Let us know how they sound. I'm hoping for good sales these holidays so I can upgrade.
post #79 of 91
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'll cross my fingers for you that they are what you are looking for smile.gif

Thanks Cel, I hope so too.
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Let us know how they sound. I'm hoping for good sales these holidays so I can upgrade.

See if your credit card has price protection. Mine has 90 days up to $500 in refund. So if they go on sale, I can call, and they'll refund the difference (hoping they don't have some fine prints).


I'll post a review once I've played with them for a while. Crossing my fingers they ship today so I can have them by Friday.
post #80 of 91
Congrats! I think you'll enjoy them. Looking fwd to your review!
post #81 of 91
And pict's
post #82 of 91
Remember to experiment with toe-in. A lot of people like the speakers crossed a foot or two in front of the listening position. Also experiment with stand off distances, if you have room for that.
post #83 of 91
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Remember to experiment with toe-in. A lot of people like the speakers crossed a foot or two in front of the listening position. Also experiment with stand off distances, if you have room for that.

Thanks. Yes I intend to do that. My left speaker will be on top of a corner desk, next to a couple of computer monitors, so I worry about reflections off the screens and off the desk . I know is not ideal, but I have to compromise. They'll be replacing the BS22 location. With the pioneers, it always seems the center image leaned to the left. One seating position to the left, and the image is gone.

BTW, HSU shipped my order same day, I should get them by Friday, so I'll be able to play with them over the weekend!
post #84 of 91
The desk will definitely cause some reflections. Is there a way of elevating them off the desktop? Another thing is, what you ideally want is for the tweeter to be at ear level, but it doesn't matter whether the woofer is above the tweeter or below it. You can use the speaker upside down just s well as rightside up. The further away from the desktop, the better.
post #85 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

Thanks. Yes I intend to do that. My left speaker will be on top of a corner desk, next to a couple of computer monitors, so I worry about reflections off the screens and off the desk . I know is not ideal, but I have to compromise. They'll be replacing the BS22 location. With the pioneers, it always seems the center image leaned to the left. One seating position to the left, and the image is gone.

BTW, HSU shipped my order same day, I should get them by Friday, so I'll be able to play with them over the weekend!

Awesome. I wish HSU made towers. I use to have all bookshelf before 7.0 set up, and I ended up going with a 7.0 tower set up. My kids 4 and 7 would always hit the damn stands when they were playing and drop my speakers.
post #86 of 91
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Awesome. I wish HSU made towers. I use to have all bookshelf before 7.0 set up, and I ended up going with a 7.0 tower set up. My kids 4 and 7 would always hit the damn stands when they were playing and drop my speakers.

I researched this product for the stands:

http://www.amazon.com/Quakehold-88111-Museum-Putty-Neutral/dp/B0002VA9NA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383761195&sr=8-1&keywords=quakehold+museum+putty. May solve your issues.

I am not keen to tower surrounds due to height placement. They just sit too low.
post #87 of 91
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

The desk will definitely cause some reflections. Is there a way of elevating them off the desktop? Another thing is, what you ideally want is for the tweeter to be at ear level, but it doesn't matter whether the woofer is above the tweeter or below it. You can use the speaker upside down just s well as rightside up. The further away from the desktop, the better.

I'm not sure elevation is possible, I'd also had to deal with the right speaker. My desk is 30" tall so they'll be just a tad over ear level. Being a corner desk and the HSUs toe in requirements, it may work to my advantage as i can place them right at the angled edge of the desk, putting the screens behind the speaker. Crossing my fingers. It'd put the speakers about 20ish degrees from the center position, and about 10ish degrees from the left or right seating positions.
post #88 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

I researched this product for the stands:

http://www.amazon.com/Quakehold-88111-Museum-Putty-Neutral/dp/B0002VA9NA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383761195&sr=8-1&keywords=quakehold+museum+putty. May solve your issues.

I am not keen to tower surrounds due to height placement. They just sit too low.

That wouldn't work either. Both the stand and speaker would just fall down.
post #89 of 91
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That wouldn't work either. Both the stand and speaker would just fall down.

How is it different than the tower falling down?
post #90 of 91
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

How is it different than the tower falling down?

To towers aren't top heavy. The stands with speaker combination is top heavy. So far my towers speaker haven't suffer the same as my bookshelves did biggrin.gif
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