or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Anthem MRX Receivers - 310, 510, 710 Owners Thread & Tweaking Guide
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Anthem MRX Receivers - 310, 510, 710 Owners Thread & Tweaking Guide - Page 19

post #541 of 1923
How does MRX deal with LFE thru analog connection?

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #542 of 1923
I'm guessing you mean bass management of two channel stuff? If so, it works fine and treats it like any other input as it samples the audio anyway.

If you use the analogue audio bypass function, then there is no bass management at all. You just get straight two channel in, two channel out.
post #543 of 1923

What do you think of these charts?

 

 

 

I have two RF-82 as front, another rf-82 as central as rs-62 surround speakers and subwoofer as SVS SB1000
I set the fronts to 60hz, 50hz in the middle, the surround and the sub 80Hz to 120Hz
Someone can explain what would that gain room that I did not understand?
thanks

post #544 of 1923
I'm in the process of attempting to update my MRX 510 to the latest firmware (1.1.4).

The installation commenced, but now after about 20 minutes I'm still stuck on "DSP Update / Progress: 10%". It hasn't moved past this and am wondering what to do. The instructions explicitly state to not interrupt a firmware update, yet this thing doesn't seem to want to complete.

Thoughts? I formatted a USB flash drive (FAT32) with the only file on the device the requisite firmware. Anyone here performed this upgrade and have an estimated time for completion?
post #545 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manchild View Post

I'm in the process of attempting to update my MRX 510 to the latest firmware (1.1.4).

The installation commenced, but now after about 20 minutes I'm still stuck on "DSP Update / Progress: 10%". It hasn't moved past this and am wondering what to do. The instructions explicitly state to not interrupt a firmware update, yet this thing doesn't seem to want to complete.

Thoughts? I formatted a USB flash drive (FAT32) with the only file on the device the requisite firmware. Anyone here performed this upgrade and have an estimated time for completion?

 

Mine got stuck too. Using a 64GB reformatted USB drive. Switched to a freebie 4GB, and worked fine. Try another drive.

post #546 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabriziorusso View Post
 

 

Thank you for the reply...

 

I have the new i5 serries (4670k)

video card is :Asus 760 gtx directcu ii oc, 

mainboard is :Asus z87-plus

I also have an external DAC Asus Xonar U3.

 

I connect with CHORD HDMI ADVANCE my PC to the Amplificator.

But my sailer says that for stereo is better to use an external DAC (I bought this before the Anthem and Paradigm). So for the stereo I connect USB to the optical input of the Ampli.  

And when I want to listen music I clone the computer video through the DVI output of video card to the TV and for sound I use the Xonar U3 digital output. 

What do you think about this connections? Is there any difference of listen music through HDMI and Optical?

Is better the optical out of the mainboard or of the DAC?

 

In theory no. The DAC is acting as a passthrough and just passing digital signals to the AVR for conversion. So it really means the DAC is not being used, only as a media streamer. HDMI like optical bitstreams the data through.

 

Having said that, there have been talks about jitter and clock syncing issues with HDMI. How much of that is really perceptible is debatable.

 

What is evident is that when playing music through HDMI, there is a half to one second lag before playback starts. Whereas there is slightly less lag through optical. So there you have it.

 

The point is though, unless you use the analog out from your external DAC, and then enable analog bypass on the AVR, the DAC is not really doing very much. You may as well use HDMI or any basic media streamer to feed digital signals through.

 

Having said that, the MRX is a capable stereo amp in its own right. And if your room response isn't too bad (check the ARC graphs), then it may be worth using the external DAC and the Anthem just like a stereo amp. Otherwise the Anthem's DAC is very capable in its own right and you get the benefits of ARC and bass management.

post #547 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by whodunnit View Post

Hi,
I'm a newbie to both this forum and Home Theater at its current, constantly changing technology. Over the last decade (+) I have cobbled together my Arcam AVR 200 with some Vandersteen 2ce's (unsigned) for fronts, 1b's for rears, and VCC-1 for my center channel. I have two subs, one a Rythmik downfiring 15" I built according to site plans, which is pretty amazing, and a Vandersteen V2W, which has remained idle since the intro of my Rythmik, due to the lack of bass mgmt. in both the receiver and sub. My Arcam serves as processor for a Rotel 1095 amp. My main source is an Oppo 83se. I love my setup...but I know there is room for improvement..and "the bug" has caught hold again. My wife would like to thank all of you on this thread for exacerbating my affliction and my re-discovered interest in upgrading, but her eyeballs are too busy rolling around in there sockets.
My questions are:
1) At the risk of starting controversy (IE. lets disable ARC for the moment, go to two channel music with the se's Sabre DAC), will there be any difference in sound quality from the Anthem VS. Arcam? Subjective assessment I know...but I'm interested in opinions.
2)The Vandersteens are very selfish speakers. There is a definite sweet spot, and they probably are not the best for HT. For music, I love them, and as I hog center stage on the sofa and to hell with everyone else, I don't care to replace them. I am wondering how ARC will work with the Vandersteens. Wouldn't microphone placement be limited to the "sweet spot," an admittedly narrow area, so as not to skew the measurements? Are my Vandersteens, and ARC compatible?
3) If I choose to sell my Rotel, will the 510 drive my system? Vandersteens are not particularly efficient. Impedance dips into 4 ohms, though I believe primarily in the treble region, so I don't really know how difficult a speaker they are to drive. My room is not large, the Rotel is really overkill but it buttresses my sense of manliness, so I'll probably keep it anyway... but I like the option of being able to remove it from my system in the future.

Call me old guy. I used to own a Sheffield Labs "Stop Digital Madness" T-shirt", eek.gif So I come to this kicking and screaming, yet somehow I'm going there anyway. I like my wires and cables and nest of insanity behind my cabinet, and I'm going to miss that. Y'all (I'm from the South by the way) handle me with kid gloves, but assume I am about as sophisticated as Fred Flintstone regarding current HT.
OK, maybe not that bad...I can still program a VCR.

Thanks to anyone and everyone, I look forward to hearing from you...HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 

Hi mate

 

Believe me, your queries are by no means unique. I moved to an MRX 510 from an Arcam AVR 360. It was mated to a Rotel Power amp (RMB 1565). From a raw, stereo processing point of view, I feel the Anthem is superior. My music is more "involving". Arcam has a very flat and neutral charactor. Matter of taste, but I use B&W speakers, so that tells you all you need to know about my inclinnation for drama!

 

As for the Sabre issue, again there was a poster a few posts ago (grasshopper, I think) which felt due to ARC, the net result of using the Anthem's DAC is better, There is no advantage to using the Sabre's analog into Anthem, and then enable ARC as there would be ADDA conversion, with the final stage still by the Anthem's DAC. But the new gen MRX's have analog bypass, so you can play around with both.

 

The Anthem's figures are highly conservative. It definitely provides more current than my Arcam which was rated similiarly. But your Vandersteens have even lower sensitivities than my CMs, I wouldn't be in a hurry to get rid of the Rotel just yet. Having a power amp isn't about sheer volume, its about having the ease to drive your speakers. Your speakers will perform better at lower volumes with a more powerful amp than something that's struggling; which will require a certain volume to push out all the frequencies adequantely, but then clips at the loud bits, leading to harshness.

 

Your bigger dilemma is between the 710 and 510, if you're thinking of one box. Aside from the headline rated figures, the 710 has a massive toroidal transformer; a component which explains the price hike the 710 over the 510. How that will actually affect performance, I suspect is more than what the different output ratings suggest. But its something you have to test out to be sure.

 

My personal feeling is, if you can afford a 2 box solution, a pre and power combo is always better.

 

As for the sweet spot, the ARC optimises the central listening position. But requires 4 other measurements. I suspect it is to figure out where the peaks and nulls are coming from.

 

You start with the listening position, than move to 4 other positions diagonally in front and behind, about 2 feet apart from the first position, but same height; ie listening height. Its a doddle.

post #548 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokyc View Post

Mine got stuck too. Using a 64GB reformatted USB drive. Switched to a freebie 4GB, and worked fine. Try another drive.

Thanks for the recommendation. After a call to Anthem support I stopped the update by first pulling the power cord and then the USB drive. I then did a system reset by pressing SETUP and MAIN at the same time and attempted the update from a higher quality USB stick. Update went without issue. Thanks for the help!
post #549 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejiro View Post
 

What do you think of these charts?

 

 

 

I have two RF-82 as front, another rf-82 as central as rs-62 surround speakers and subwoofer as SVS SB1000
I set the fronts to 60hz, 50hz in the middle, the surround and the sub 80Hz to 120Hz
Someone can explain what would that gain room that I did not understand?
thanks

 

 

La grafica è spettacolare, ma potrebbe mettere gli altri fino a 20 khz?

Grazie mille!

 

The graphics are spectacular, but could you put others up to 20 khz??

Thank you very much!!

post #550 of 1923

I'm sorry but I do not understand what you mean

 

Lo siento, pero no entiendo lo que quieres decir

post #551 of 1923

The frequency of your's charts my friend, more information, if u make at 20 hz to 20khz

post #552 of 1923

I'm sorry but I still do not understand what you mean, I try to explain
In the old x00 series of steps were 20 in 20 in 10 in 10 are new.

post #553 of 1923
Wow..its been difficult getting my hands on a 510..any dealers in the atlanta or the souith region that you guys know of..please PM me..

Cheers
post #554 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3xrock View Post

What did you guys save your graphs as so you can post them up here? I have some questions but the format is *.arc2?

Go to Windows Help and look up the keyboard command for Screen Capture Window. That gets it into the Copy/Paste buffer. Then you can Paste it into, say, Windows Paint (bundled with Windows) and Save that as a JPEG file for posting here.

ARC2 also lets you Print your results, so you could Print to a PDF file.
--Bob
post #555 of 1923
Lokyc-
Thank you for your advice. I appreciate the detail-and your experience with both Arcam and Anthem. My Arcam AVR 200, when used as a receiver, drove my speakers just fine. The Anthem's lack of 4 ohm power output stats was concerning, but as you say, I have the impression that their amps are overachievers. I suspect the 510 will do nicely. As much as I hate to admit it, in middle age my hearing isn't probably going to be able to distinguish between a transformer being shaped like a donut or shaped like a cube anyway, especially if the receiver is used as a processor! I'm kind of partial to that beast of an Amp, I just want the option of downsizing if I so choose.
I've been dropping hints to the bride for several months, I've read review after review on just about everything out there, and I've pretty well narrowed it down to the Anthem MRX 510 or 710. $500.00 more for increased output that I probably won't be using seems silly. I still have a Rotel 1075, "barely out of the box" in terms of hours used, that I could add back into my system. Bi-amp the fronts and add two more speakers for seven channels. $500.00 for decent surrounds can go far on Audiogon! Obviously the downsizing idea was only a fleeting moment of temporary insanity. I guess I need to start working on the wife again......

Again, thanks for your advice. I'm not sure what a "doddle" is but I"ll assume "Piece of Cake" as opposed to "Pain in the Arse!" And to think we in the South use to pride ourselves on speaking the Queen's English....
post #556 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by whodunnit View Post

Lokyc-
Thank you for your advice. I appreciate the detail-and your experience with both Arcam and Anthem. My Arcam AVR 200, when used as a receiver, drove my speakers just fine. The Anthem's lack of 4 ohm power output stats was concerning, but as you say, I have the impression that their amps are overachievers. I suspect the 510 will do nicely. As much as I hate to admit it, in middle age my hearing isn't probably going to be able to distinguish between a transformer being shaped like a donut or shaped like a cube anyway, especially if the receiver is used as a processor! I'm kind of partial to that beast of an Amp, I just want the option of downsizing if I so choose.
I've been dropping hints to the bride for several months, I've read review after review on just about everything out there, and I've pretty well narrowed it down to the Anthem MRX 510 or 710. $500.00 more for increased output that I probably won't be using seems silly. I still have a Rotel 1075, "barely out of the box" in terms of hours used, that I could add back into my system. Bi-amp the fronts and add two more speakers for seven channels. $500.00 for decent surrounds can go far on Audiogon! Obviously the downsizing idea was only a fleeting moment of temporary insanity. I guess I need to start working on the wife again......

Again, thanks for your advice. I'm not sure what a "doddle" is but I"ll assume "Piece of Cake" as opposed to "Pain in the Arse!" And to think we in the South use to pride ourselves on speaking the Queen's English....

 

The Queen's English is quite contemporary. Its not what you say but how you say it that give it its regal (read haughty) tone.

 

I only got rid of my power amp because of space issues and I was able to trade it in. Since you're in no hurry to get rid of the 1075, I think the 510 should suffice.

 

Some posters use a 5channel power amp to biamp the fronts, then use the AVR to power the surrounds. That sounds like a really neat idea to extract the best from all components. After all why waste a decent power amp stage?

 

Personally, I struggle for space to fit 7 speakers. 5.1 for my listening area is more than adequate for immersion. There's also the relative lack of 7.1 content. Its more straightforward to downmix than upmix methinks.

 

As I said, a power amp is not about loudness. My RMB1565 was not louder than the Arcam in itself. But the sound was more even across all frequencies and smoother. The 510 is able to match that. But I wouldn't be surprised if a quality power amp can reveal more details. And I would definitely do so if I upgrade my speakers to the CM10 for example.

 

Enjoy!

post #557 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejiro View Post
 

I'm sorry but I still do not understand what you mean, I try to explain
In the old x00 series of steps were 20 in 20 in 10 in 10 are new.

The "X" axis of your graph goes from 15 hz frequency the lowest to 10 khz the highest

will get more information from the high frequencies that the human ear hears, if your graphics equalizer to 20 khz since that is the range of human hearing, can someone help me explain it??

 

l'asse x del grafico va da 15 hz frecuciencia il basso a 10 kHz la massima

otterrà più informazioni dalle alte frequenze che l'orecchio umano sente, se la grafica dell'equalizzatore a 20 khz dato che questo è il campo dell'udito umano, qualcuno può aiutarmi a spiegarlo?

 

Thanks!!!!!!


Edited by XxXTitisXxX - 1/5/14 at 3:13am
post #558 of 1923
Arc doesn't touch anything above 5k. What are you looking for???
post #559 of 1923
I'm going shopping for an MRX510 this coming Tuesday...If my "local" Anthem Dealer has two of them I'll let you know!
post #560 of 1923
lokyc:

I was curious if you felt the MRX had enough juice for 4 ohm speakers. I to am searching for the specs for the amp section into 4ohms. I also have an RMB-1565 I currently am using with an older Onkyo receiver and I am running some 4 ohm Dynaudio's with that for the movie room. I am just concerned that the Anthem just won't have the juice to run a set of 5 dyn's and not being able to locate the specs for that has me a little concerned.

Your thoughts?
post #561 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabriziorusso View Post

Teşekkürler... smile.gif Grazie....smile.gif

You're welcome. smile.gif

I have to confess, I only remember a few Turkish words (I lived in Ankara for 5 years in the early 1970s). redface.gif
post #562 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by Randyman View Post

lokyc:

I was curious if you felt the MRX had enough juice for 4 ohm speakers. I to am searching for the specs for the amp section into 4ohms. I also have an RMB-1565 I currently am using with an older Onkyo receiver and I am running some 4 ohm Dynaudio's with that for the movie room. I am just concerned that the Anthem just won't have the juice to run a set of 5 dyn's and not being able to locate the specs for that has me a little concerned.

Your thoughts?

 

I don't really see why not if the RMB1565 can handle it. But quoted figures are not always comparable. Speaker impedence fluctuate as well. Some manufacturers may be more conservative. Anthems do have high quality power supplies. Certainly there have been anecdotes of the MRX 500/510 driving 4 ohm speakers.

 

At another forum, someone asked Anthem regarding the 500. Scroll down to the email response http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=150067&page=92

 

Its hard to know if the Rotel supplies more current than the 510. But it may have clipping protection or whatever. Regardless, they do quote 4ohm ratings, which means you are officially allowed to use them.

 

So the 2 issues really are, if your speakers or amp gets damaged due to clipping, will Anthem or your speakers honour the warranty.

 

Next is, do you like the sound of it.

 

My suspicion is that it'll be fine. At worse, you may not bring out the best in your speakers. But that may be the case with your Rotel anyway :)

 

But I would get something official from Dynaudio and Anthem just to cover yourself. And maybe get a demo with your dealer.

post #563 of 1923

it´s possible config ARC for view graphips in 20 hz untul 20khz?????, all graph are 15hzto10khz!!!!

post #564 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxXTitisXxX View Post
 

it´s possible config ARC for view graphips in 20 hz untul 20khz?????, all graph are 15hzto10khz!!!!

 

As Jason posted, ARC corrects frequencies up to a maximum of 5khz. The graphs are to show you what ARC does and for manual tweaking. ARC is not a tool to measure overall speaker responses.

 

It is generally accepted that room effects come into play below 5khz, hence the range which ARC or any EQ may be required.

post #565 of 1923
Has anyone used Anthem Logic Music ? I cannot get this listening mode to work at all. When I am listening to Music from spotify, the Anthem's display reads PCM 2.0 even though I have Anthem Logic Music selected as the mode for this.

I pressed the mode button and cycled through the different listening modes but neither the anthem logic music nor cinema show up as choices. The Dolby PL music and movie and DTS Neo music and movie and all channel modes show up as choices, but neither anthem logic music nor cinema show up

Any help?
Edited by JasonT35 - 1/5/14 at 6:10am
post #566 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post

Has anyone used Anthem Logic Music ? I cannot get this listening mode to work at all. When I am listening to Music from spotify, the Anthem's display reads PCM 2.0 even though I have Anthem Logic Music selected as the mode for this.

I pressed the mode button and cycled through the different listening modes but neither the anthem logic music nor cinema show up as choices. The Dolby PL music and movie and DTS Neo music and movie and all channel modes show up as choices, but neither anthem logic music nor cinema show up

Any help?

I'm having a similar issue. I'm currently using the x510 in a 2.1 setup, and all that displays is PCM 2.0. But when I press mode to cycle through the different listening modes, no other options show up, it just displays NONE and pressing up or down doesn't change anything. This is the case with all sources (HDMI, digital coax, & optical), even though in the setup menu I selected defaults to Anthem Music or Anthem Cinema. I guess it should be noted that I haven't run ARC yet, but I don't see why this should be an issue.

I originally purchased the MRX500 and had that in my system for a week, but had issues with clipping, popping and crackling, but didn't have the issues cycling through listening modes. The 510 has no popping, clipping, or crackling, but I can't cycle through listening modes!! Nothing else changed in the system except the swap from 500 to 510.

Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
post #567 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by SurfSeven View Post


I'm having a similar issue. I'm currently using the x510 in a 2.1 setup, and all that displays is PCM 2.0. But when I press mode to cycle through the different listening modes, no other options show up, it just displays NONE and pressing up or down doesn't change anything. This is the case with all sources (HDMI, digital coax, & optical), even though in the setup menu I selected defaults to Anthem Music or Anthem Cinema. I guess it should be noted that I haven't run ARC yet, but I don't see why this should be an issue.

I originally purchased the MRX500 and had that in my system for a week, but had issues with clipping, popping and crackling, but didn't have the issues cycling through listening modes. The 510 has no popping, clipping, or crackling, but I can't cycle through listening modes!! Nothing else changed in the system except the swap from 500 to 510.

Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

Maybe its because you only have 2.1 speakers connected? Check your speaker config for what's connected. If a sub is present, bass management will be active for 2 or multichannel content. Bass management will be disabled if you use analog bypass or disable subwoofer in the speaker config.

post #568 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by SurfSeven View Post

I'm having a similar issue. I'm currently using the x510 in a 2.1 setup, and all that displays is PCM 2.0. But when I press mode to cycle through the different listening modes, no other options show up, it just displays NONE and pressing up or down doesn't change anything. This is the case with all sources (HDMI, digital coax, & optical), even though in the setup menu I selected defaults to Anthem Music or Anthem Cinema. I guess it should be noted that I haven't run ARC yet, but I don't see why this should be an issue.

I originally purchased the MRX500 and had that in my system for a week, but had issues with clipping, popping and crackling, but didn't have the issues cycling through listening modes. The 510 has no popping, clipping, or crackling, but I can't cycle through listening modes!! Nothing else changed in the system except the swap from 500 to 510.

Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

AnthemLogic turns 2-channel into 5.1, just like ProLogic or Neo:6, if you only have 2 speakers connected, you can't map them to 5.1. That's why you don't have any other options. As long as your speakers are set to small, you'll get the sub blended. Because it says 2.0 do you think you aren't getting any sub output? The ".1" is for the LFE channel, not an indication of whether the subwoofer is in use.
post #569 of 1923
All the other listening modes show up except for anthem music and cinema. I have a 5.1 system.

No idea why this is happening and I have tried everything
post #570 of 1923
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post

All the other listening modes show up except for anthem music and cinema. I have a 5.1 system.

No idea why this is happening and I have tried everything


Firmware update? Also tried other 2-channel sources?

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors

Gear mentioned in this thread:

AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Anthem MRX Receivers - 310, 510, 710 Owners Thread & Tweaking Guide