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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hi there

 

I have just ordered a NAS drive (2TB) and I would like to be able to store some of my Blu-Ray and DVDs on this NAS and stream it to my TV. I can do this via xBox or via my surround sound system. I have never done this before and hope someone can help advise me.

 

My questions are:

 

1) If I do this, will surround sound still work on the played back movie?

 

2) If it is a 3D movie, will the 3D still work?

 

3) Can someone advise some recommended software to achieve this?

 

4) I have read that some people rip the disc then strip out sections and maybe even compress it. I assume the only advantage to doing this is reducing size. I don't want to sacrifice any quality (which I assuming shrinking it does) but I could strip out bonus features, trailers and multiple languages etc if it is worth while. Any advice on this aspect would be appreciated.

 

I was hoping the process is as a simple as inserting the Blu-Ray/DVD into my computer and running the software to rip and then perhaps running the editing software if required after - if there is anything else I am not considering I would be grateful to know!!

 

Thanks a lot for any advice.

 

Olly

post #2 of 25
where you store it has nothing to do with it. The content of the RIP and the player are what determine the features
post #3 of 25
The Xbox is a terrible media player, your going to be wasting a lot of time converting media into the very limited formats it supports (WMV, XviD, H.264/MP4 with AAC stereo).

Buy a WDTV Live or a Popcornhour to play media natively so no compression/conversion required.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tip about the xbox. If my sony surround system doesn't support it I will get the wdtv.

Can you advise what software is good for this or what format I should be ripping to for optimum results?
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

Thanks for the tip about the xbox. If my sony surround system doesn't support it I will get the wdtv.

Can you advise what software is good for this or what format I should be ripping to for optimum results?

there are a bunch. most popular are makeMKV, DVDFab, Pavtube ByteCopy. I've looked at these several times and most recently last week. I'm still making iSO's. It's a MASSIVE PIA ripping to MKV: figuring out which title, which audio stream, which subs (think you don't need them: try watching Inglorious Basterds without subs) and then checking every single RIP (waste of 20-30 mins). I can just make an ISO (10GB extra per movie, so 1 x 2TB disk @ $100 for every 200 moves) and be guaranteed it's same as original (this is a very unpopular approach BTW, but I'm not interested in anything lower quality that original and don't care abut 50c per movie to have an exact copy)

My advice, buy a lifetime license for AnyDVDHD from slysoft, Copy everything to ISO and be done with it. There are updates almost weekly for all latest titles and ripping is a no-brainer: "insert disk -> Rip to Image -> Wait for an hour". DONE. it just works

Regards

Mark
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

I can just make an ISO (10GB extra per movie, so 1 x 2TB disk @ $100 for every 200 moves) and be guaranteed it's same as original (this is a very unpopular approach BTW, but I'm not interested in anything lower quality that original and don't care abut 50c per movie to have an exact copy)
That's a fine strategy, IF you already have a player that can process full BD.iso and play the right playlist. BD players that handle BD.iso and menus have become a rare and discontinued commodity. The OP wants to use an Xbox as his player, so he is as far away from that kind of player as one can get.
Edited by Kelson - 11/3/13 at 8:37pm
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

That's a fine strategy, IF you already have a player that can process full BD.iso and play the right playlist. BD players that handle BD.iso and menus have become a rare and discontinued commodity. The OP wants to use an Xbox as his player, so he is as far away from that kind of player as one can get.

As others have said "The Xbox is a terrible media player". Basing an entire, multi-year strategy around a bad player is just ludicrous. There are plenty of $100-ish player that can play ISO's. How are playlists even relevant? Worst case make an .m2ts file. My BD player plays mt2s just fine.

Just because an xbox is all you have today doesn't make it a good plan going forward. If you want to spend a ton of time figuring out what to rip and checking every single one to save $100-200, knock yourself out, My time is way more valuable
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the continued updates.

 

I only considered the Xbox as the player as I knew it had capability of doing so and it was a device that is already connected via optical output to my surround sound - so it made sense - until I found it was a bad player. I have no intention of using it if it is substandard.

 

My surround sound system also supports streaming (it is a Sony BDVE190 for what its worth) and maybe this will be a suitable player. If not, I will bite the bullet and get a player and just get some kind of optical splitter to the new device.

 

My main criteria is that I get the same quality film with surround sound and 3D if applicable. Ideally in a simplistic way. The idea of putting a disc in the computer and pressing go does sound appealing, however I am certainly not daunted by having to carry out a couple of further procedures if it is of benefit!

 

Thanks again.

post #9 of 25
The Xbox only does 5.1 audio with XviD in AVI containers, XviD is a very old compression codec and will not deliver good results plus support for XviD has all but vanished among the top tier encoders that used to give you the best quality presets for XviD. 3D video would also be a problem with XviD, I cant think of a application that does it, maybe DVDFab allows some weird combo of it.

BDtoAVCHD is a good application if wanting to create 3D x264/mkv videos from Blu-ray, just feed it the disc folder (use AnyDVD-HD) and it will prompt if a 3D stream is present to convert.

But of course you will need something which can play x264/mkv as a result, if you want HD audio pass-through I would go with a Popcornhour A400 as the WDTV only passes one of the two HD audio formats.

As for the Sony the manual states it can play common media formats so it should play the output from BDtoAVCHD however;
1) Sony system is a Blu-ray player which means it includes Cinavia DRM, a watermark tech that cannot be removed from BD audio track, when detected the audio track will be disabled, this is part of all BD players since 2012. Google Cinavia movie list to see which has it.
2) The Sony might be able to play the raw BD media if ripped with MakeMKV, this requires a wired ethernet of course. MakeMKV does not convert it simply copies video stream into mkv container, it will also work on 3D Blu-ray however not all media players support H.264 MVC which is the codec used for 3D.
3) It may or may not work with HD audio tracks present in mkv, you wont know until you try, standard Dolby and DTS probably will work though.

Cinavia has pretty much ruined BD players being viable media streamers.
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the response.

 

Is it likely the new Xbox One will be of a similar poor level as I do have this on pre order. Alternatively I think I will look to the Popcornhour though withe NSA and drives, everything is getting rather expensive! Still, want it right though!

 

In response to the points above - regarding point 2 - if the player does manage to pay mkv files, does this mean movies with the Cinavia DRM still will not work?

 

Regarding point 3 - I know is going to sound like a very noob question but how can I tell if it using the HD audio or not when playing a movie?

 

Thanks a lot

 

Olly

post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 

Could the Mede8er MED600X3D be an alternative to the limitation of WDTV and the expense of the Popcornhour?

post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

There are plenty of $100-ish player that can play ISO's. How are playlists even relevant? Worst case make an .m2ts file. My BD player plays mt2s just fine.
I agree ripping the main title to BD.m2ts is fine, but you didn't say that in your post. You were advocating ripping the full BD disk to a BD.iso and dissing ripping the main title. That's what I was commenting on.
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It's a MASSIVE PIA ripping to MKV: figuring out which title, which audio stream, which subs (think you don't need them: try watching Inglorious Basterds without subs) and then checking every single RIP (waste of 20-30 mins). I can just make an ISO (10GB extra per movie, so 1 x 2TB disk @ $100 for every 200 moves)
In the case of full-disk BD.iso, playlist support is entirely relevant -- most players that support playback of BD.iso only look in the \STREAM folder and play the largest .m2ts fine in there. Worthless if your title is authored with seamless branching. Even simple pick-a-playlist support (BD lite) is often not enough if you have no clue which is the proper playlist or worse, are playing a title with many false playlists -- you really need a player with full BD menu support -- those are now rare and expensive.

So back to my original statement which was commenting on your recommendation to rip full disk BD.iso:
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That's a fine strategy, IF you already have a player that can process full BD.iso and play the right playlist.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

In response to the points above - regarding point 2 - if the player does manage to pay mkv files, does this mean movies with the Cinavia DRM still will not work?
Cinavia is a part of the audio track and will always work. Changing containers has no effect. Here is the DVD Fab list -- it is 95% a Sony play (guess they got tired of root-kits).
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Regarding point 3 - I know is going to sound like a very noob question but how can I tell if it using the HD audio or not when playing a movie?
HD audio is bitstreamed through the HDMI connection to your AVR. The display on your AVR should tell you the nature of the audio source.
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

Could the Mede8er MED600X3D be an alternative to the limitation of WDTV and the expense of the Popcornhour?
The Mede8ter is considered by many to be the current best of a very short-list of 3D players. It bit-streams DTS-HD. Both are missing capabilities of the WD Live-SMP which costs 1/2 of what the Med600x3D costs. It's a very nice player, especially with the latest firmware revision. I've seriously considered buying one for some time now and may pull the trigger soon.
post #14 of 25
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This evening I tried ripping a Blu-Ray (Skyfall) using MakeMKV and put it on the NAS - it is 28GB

 

When playing the status on the player says 1080/60p and the audio states DTS 5.1ch 48khz 1.5Mbps

 

I assume the picture is therefore full HD but the audio is not? If this is the case it could be the player rather than the rip that is preventing it?

 

There seems to be no issue with playback so not sure if I need to now do anything further to reduce the filesize or just be happy with what I have.

 

I ordered the Mede8er MED600X3D  so will see what happens with this when it arrives over the next few days. 

 

Any further advice would be welcome!

post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

This evening I tried ripping a Blu-Ray (Skyfall) using MakeMKV and put it on the NAS - it is 28GB

When playing the status on the player says 1080/60p and the audio states DTS 5.1ch 48khz 1.5Mbps

I assume the picture is therefore full HD but the audio is not? If this is the case it could be the player rather than the rip that is preventing it?

There seems to be no issue with playback so not sure if I need to now do anything further to reduce the filesize or just be happy with what I have.

I ordered the Mede8er MED600X3D  so will see what happens with this when it arrives over the next few days. 

Any further advice would be welcome!

This is why ripping to MKV is a pain. There are quite often several audio streams on the disk, you either need a multi-stream MKV, or you need to choose which ONE you want. This is why I make ISO's - way too much hassle for me to save 50c in disk space
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

This evening I tried ripping a Blu-Ray (Skyfall) using MakeMKV and put it on the NAS - it is 28GB

When playing the status on the player says 1080/60p and the audio states DTS 5.1ch 48khz 1.5Mbps

I assume the picture is therefore full HD but the audio is not? If this is the case it could be the player rather than the rip that is preventing it?

There seems to be no issue with playback so not sure if I need to now do anything further to reduce the filesize or just be happy with what I have.

I ordered the Mede8er MED600X3D  so will see what happens with this when it arrives over the next few days. 

Any further advice would be welcome!
That is the right size for Skyfall with the DTS-HD track. You should go join this thread. That thread attracts probably the largest collection of people who like to use MakeMKV in the forum. Many of the regular participants can use it with their eyes shut and are a much better resource. Personally, I prefer Clown_BD and make BD.m2ts files.

Also, here are the two Mede8ter threads for the 600X3D (the 600X3D and the 1000X3D share the same firmware):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1440149/mede8er-med600x3d-new-3d-version-to-2013/0_100
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420605/official-mede8er-x3d-1000-800-600-streamer-thread/0_100
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


Personally, I prefer Clown_BD and make BD.m2ts files.
 

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Thanks for your help. Is there a reason why you prefer the above method rather than using MakeMKV?

 

One other thing I noticed about my rip is that even though I selected the subtitles (in English only) it seemed to have skipped this - pressing the subtitle button on the remote seems to activate them but nothing showed. I noticed that I have something called subtitles and then forced subtitles  - not sure on the difference here.

 

I will check out both the threads you mentioned - thanks for the pointers! 

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Personally, I prefer Clown_BD and make BD.m2ts files.
Only minor downside of that is that you lose chapters don't you?
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by ollyno1uk View Post

Thanks for your help. Is there a reason why you prefer the above method rather than using MakeMKV?
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Only minor downside of that is that you lose chapters don't you?

Here is a recent post I wrote in the Ripping Blu-Rays II thread that details my reasons for avoiding MKV in favor of .m2ts when it comes to BD rips.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


Here is a recent post I wrote in the Ripping Blu-Rays II thread that details my reasons for avoiding MKV in favor of .m2ts when it comes to BD rips.

I agree 100% with you about not using MKV for exactly the reasons you mentioned. It's a pain to guess correct parts to include, esp when there are two full length versions of the movie, and then find out 1hr+ later (assuming you're around), or worse when you actually sit down to watch the movie, that you got the wrong version or the RIP is bad.

Regarding chapters, not sure I agree 100% (personal opinion). The chapters are usually at specific junctures in the movie (and if you have full menus you can see the thumbnail of that chapter). Sure, you'd eventually get there by skipping forward by time, but skip 1 hour, then 10 mins then back 5 mins to get to the point you;re after would be a bit of a pain. Notwithstanding, still a way better option than MKV in my book
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 

Interesting - thanks!

post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Only minor downside of that is that you lose chapters don't you?

I use Clown_BD and I get all original chapter stop points. Since I only do movie only, the chapters are there and I can skip to them. You can look in the Clown_BD log files and see that it does export the chapters using eac3to and then passes it to tsMuxeR.
post #23 of 25
the last term I'd use to decribe makemkv is a "pain". I don't know how it could be any easier. The first title is correct 99 out of 100 times and the audio track cannot be labeled any clearer for about the same %- after about 400 BD rips I feel I have a base from which to speak. wink.gifsmile.gif

And if you're losing that much sleep over rolling the dice on such figures, there's multiple threads (including one right here on avs that I'm assuming was noted above) that make it as plain as the nose on your face.

I put the disc in my laptop...if I'm not ripping a copy in 30 seconds with makemkv something has gone very wrong, somewhere.

Onward, I'll spare everyone the "re-explanation" of why chapter skips are very useful for children's movies and concerts.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 11/5/13 at 10:28am
post #24 of 25
I have used AnyDVD for years but it doesn't support mkv so now I just use DVDFab and it is very painless and fast for ripping to mkv files.
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 

Here is where I am so far:

 

I now have the Mede8er. It seems to play all the MKV files I have made but I reaslise now that I may have been doing things wrong. I have been selecting both subtitles and forced subtitles in English. 

 

When I play a film the subtitles come right up. So I turn these off. However I now read that perhaps I will then miss out on the forced subtitles. Should I have actually just opted for the forced subtitles (and had them turned on globally on the player) with no standard subtitles selected when making the MKV and is there a way to fix that now?

 

Also I note that the ISO file I tried on a 3D bluray comes back as unsupported and will not play. The MKV I made of the same film does play however not in 3D. I can select that from the menu but should I be able to get it to do this automatically? I did rename the file to xxxx.SBS.mkv.

 

If anyone can advise that would be great. If not, I will continue researching and update here.

 

Olly

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