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post #151 of 1057
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Originally Posted by rush2049 View Post


dual captivators had nothing on 3x dual submersives...... I was outside the house on the street for a portion of that and it felt like an earthquake.

Ben,

When was this? --- cause if it was the previous subwoofer meet at Andrews I personally thought the pair of caps were louder. cool.gif

--- As did the bass trap that fell off the wall, Jim Wilson's pant legs behind the bar, the projector that tried to dismount three times, and the light bulb that unscrewed and shattered in the downstairs bathroom.

Both auditions were excellent - I ended up giving my humble nod to the triple stack of submersives for overall best of show in that meet - but it was a slight sound quality edge nod, a nod not based on raw savage tactile beast feel. eek.giftongue.gif
post #152 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Analgesia View Post

OK, time for my first "idiot of the day question." I've seen it stated in this and multiple other posts that speakers of any variety should be "eq'd" in room to provide a flat/descending/parabolic/increasing radius/dodecahedral/etc response. If all of the speakers in the current thread can produce a range of sound from frequencies even bats can't hear down to stuff that is borderline inaudible to your garden variety African elephant, and we're going to putz about with the signal anyway, then why does it matter? As long as the speaker in question can produce an eq'd frequency of curve-whatever at volume level too-F'n-loud-even-for-Beethoven-in-his-later-days then why does it make a difference? Shouldn't we all just buy the cheapest speakers that will do that? 

As a bit of background I spent 8, yes 8, years at UCLA doing undergrad and graduate work, and admittedly, drinking myself silly. But if you've ever been to Westwood then you know that the theaters there are where a large share of Hollywood's world-premiers are held. The theaters (especially the Fox, the Mann, and to a certain extent the Crest) are beyond compare in terms of character, and pertinent to this diatribe, sound. I watched a lot of 1 AM premieres during P.I.S.S. (Period of Indentured Servitude, Scholastic), including but certainly not limited to Demolition Man (which damn near burst my tympanics), The Fugative (train crash scene probably induced a South Pacific tsunami), Phantom Menace (pretty much deaf by the end) and True Lies (I think Jeff may have been in charge of the remote), so I do have some experience with BIG, CLEAN, DYNAMIC sound. Subtle not so much, but then again it would appear that you all are about as subtle as Sam Kinison in a public library .....

To answer your question posed at the end of paragraph 1, yes. That is why this thread exists and why all of the speakers represented in the pending GTG are in the category of "the cheapest speakers that will do that" smile.gif
post #153 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


To answer your question posed at the end of paragraph 1, yes. That is why this thread exists and why all of the speakers represented in the pending GTG are in the category of "the cheapest speakers that will do that" smile.gif

 

Ahhhhhhh .... ask a stupid question, receive an mildly laconic, yet decidedly prescient response ... my sincerest gratitude ...

 

And how I do so miss the bay area :(

post #154 of 1057
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Oh, you mean these





That SEOS 24 is on top of an 18" sub enclosure biggrin.gif

Now we are talking.

You will need a crane...
post #155 of 1057
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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

Their prices aren't top tier, but I reckon their measurements are:
http://www.pispeakers.com/Measurements/fourPi.html
http://audioroundtable.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=17246&prevloaded=1&&start=10
No, they're determined rivals. They have some divergent views on design of controlled/uniform directivity speakers IIRC. I've seen a ding-dong battle between them on an audio forum. MK suggested Geddes earlier and I think Beast was suggesting that the Abbey's are more what you're after when you said "...someone point me to an appropriate product.".

The 4Pi would actually be a very interesting contender.

Before I decided on the Noesis, i went back and forth between the T12 and the 4Pi as they both came highly recommended. One requires me to build it myself (which was the 4Pi) and that is scary eek.gif!!! So, I waited and waited.. and when the Noesis came out, I decided to get a fully built one... smile.gif

But there's always this nagging feeling about the 4pi...

So, far I can't find much comparison between this speaker and others... I sometimes wonder why.. is it because no one 'dare' to put the 4pi up against more commercial speakers??? Or, is it because it's hard to get a hold of one??
post #156 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Admittedly it's been awhile since my system had an AVR as processor and as an owner of the 80.3 I'd like to believe you ... but I just can't get my head around the pre out section of a good quality AVR like the 4311 short changing the dynamics. So like you, I can't believe the difference between the two. smile.gif

I know....My friend who is an HAA specialist couldn't believe the difference either between the two. I don't know how or what it was.....but the difference was a drastic change in dynamics.
post #157 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Analgesia View Post

Ahhhhhhh .... ask a stupid question, receive an mildly laconic, yet decidedly prescient response ... my sincerest gratitude ...

And how I do so miss the bay area frown.gif

The speakers in this meet are once again going to be played with un-eq'd response. Regardless, there is much more to a speaker's prescense than just it's eq'd response. Yes they will sound similar when played within their comfort zone once eq'd, but different people require different things from their setups. Other things play into how the speaker will sound like dynamic capability, distortion/compression in the passband, dispersion patterns, and phase/timing in the crossover design. All these play a part in the overall "sound" of a speaker. There are too many people that "Buy the cheapest speaker" plug it up, and sit there in wonderful bliss. They don't even know their speakers sound "loud" because they are distorting, or compressing. I hate those people. I wish I never found this place. (Gets up, throws computer screen, kicks pc tower, walks away)....


Ok, I'm back. maybe it is just my ears that should take the blame...

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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

I know....My friend who is an HAA specialist couldn't believe the difference either between the two. I don't know how or what it was.....but the difference was a drastic change in dynamics.

Possibly a setting that was different? Stranger things have happened.
post #158 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Ben,

When was this? --- cause if it was the previous subwoofer meet at Andrews I personally thought the pair of caps were louder. cool.gif

--- As did the bass trap that fell off the wall, Jim Wilson's pant legs behind the bar, the projector that tried to dismount three times, and the light bulb that unscrewed and shattered in the downstairs bathroom.

Both auditions were excellent - I ended up giving my humble nod to the triple stack of submersives for overall best of show in that meet - but it was a slight sound quality edge nod, a nod not based on raw savage tactile beast feel. eek.giftongue.gif

It might have had something to do with me being right next to them filming at the time..... it seemed a lot louder to me.
post #159 of 1057
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

The speakers in this meet are once again going to be played with un-eq'd response. Regardless, there is much more to a speaker's prescense than just it's eq'd response. Yes they will sound similar when played within their comfort zone once eq'd, but different people require different things from their setups. Other things play into how the speaker will sound like dynamic capability, distortion/compression in the passband, dispersion patterns, and phase/timing in the crossover design. All these play a part in the overall "sound" of a speaker. There are too many people that "Buy the cheapest speaker" plug it up, and sit there in wonderful bliss. They don't even know their speakers sound "loud" because they are distorting, or compressing. I hate those people. I wish I never found this place. (Gets up, throws computer screen, kicks pc tower, walks away)....

Ok, I'm back. maybe it is just my ears that should take the blame...

That a boy beast, we go from laconic to circuitous and then prescient to improvident.
Gotta love these boards ... tongue.gif
post #160 of 1057
Who is flying in and what time are they arriving? Sheldon and I are looking at buying tickets and options. Flying in Friday and Flying out Sunday.

Tickets from southwest are downright cheap at about $200 round trip.
Alternately - -
I can get a full package from orbitz which includes 2 nights at the best western at concordville (friday and sat), and a compact car rental from Dollar for around $355 per person for Sheldon and I. That seems pretty reasonable - you think? Anyone else flying in/out on those days?
post #161 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Who is flying in and what time are they arriving? Sheldon and I are looking at buying tickets and options. Flying in Friday and Flying out Sunday.

Tickets from southwest are downright cheap at about $200 round trip.
Alternately - -
I can get a full package from orbitz which includes 2 nights at the best western at concordville (friday and sat), and a compact car rental from Dollar for around $355 per person for Sheldon and I. That seems pretty reasonable - you think? Anyone else flying in/out on those days?

Hi there. I haven't booked my airline tickets yet but I typically arrive on the Friday in the afternoon. Both times that I've come down I've stayed at the Hampton Inn - Glen Mills (link below). It's about 5 to 10 minutes away from Andrew's place, rooms are very clean, and reasonably priced. Take a look at their rates and decide for yourself.

http://hamptoninn3.hilton.com/en/hotels/pennsylvania/hampton-inn-and-suites-chadds-ford-CFORDHX/index.html

-- Bill --
post #162 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Who is flying in and what time are they arriving? Sheldon and I are looking at buying tickets and options. Flying in Friday and Flying out Sunday.

Tickets from southwest are downright cheap at about $200 round trip.
Alternately - -
I can get a full package from orbitz which includes 2 nights at the best western at concordville (friday and sat), and a compact car rental from Dollar for around $355 per person for Sheldon and I. That seems pretty reasonable - you think? Anyone else flying in/out on those days?

Hi Archaea,

I'm planning on flying in on Thursday (business in Philly on Friday morning) and out Sunday morning via Southwest. I will have a car and was planning on staying at the Hampton Inn Fri-Sat per G88's recommendation but don't really care about the hotel. Happy to be chauffeur if anyone needs a ride.
post #163 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Who is flying in and what time are they arriving? Sheldon and I are looking at buying tickets and options. Flying in Friday and Flying out Sunday.

Tickets from southwest are downright cheap at about $200 round trip.
Alternately - -
I can get a full package from orbitz which includes 2 nights at the best western at concordville (friday and sat), and a compact car rental from Dollar for around $355 per person for Sheldon and I. That seems pretty reasonable - you think? Anyone else flying in/out on those days?

Hi Archaea,

I'm planning on flying in on Thursday (business in Philly on Friday morning) and out Sunday morning via Southwest. I will have a car and was planning on staying at the Hampton Inn Fri-Sat per G88's recommendation but don't really care about the hotel. Happy to be chauffeur if anyone needs a ride.

I may take you up on the chauffeur offer if it's OK with you. I'll be flying down on the Friday and heading back home on the Sunday. What time is your Sunday morning flight?

-- Bill --
post #164 of 1057
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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

I may take you up on the chauffeur offer if it's OK with you. I'll be flying down on the Friday and heading back home on the Sunday. What time is your Sunday morning flight?

-- Bill --

Sure no problem Bill if the timing works for you. I just booked my flights and I am out on Sunday at 1PM. I can get a bigger vehicle (SUV) if others want to ride along. Let me know what time you get into Philly on Friday. We can do the rest (exchange cell number etc) via PM. smile.gif
post #165 of 1057
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

The speakers in this meet are once again going to be played with un-eq'd response. Regardless, there is much more to a speaker's prescense than just it's eq'd response. Yes they will sound similar when played within their comfort zone once eq'd, but different people require different things from their setups. Other things play into how the speaker will sound like dynamic capability, distortion/compression in the passband, dispersion patterns, and phase/timing in the crossover design. All these play a part in the overall "sound" of a speaker. There are too many people that "Buy the cheapest speaker" plug it up, and sit there in wonderful bliss. They don't even know their speakers sound "loud" because they are distorting, or compressing. I hate those people. I wish I never found this place. (Gets up, throws computer screen, kicks pc tower, walks away)....


Ok, I'm back. maybe it is just my ears that should take the blame...
Possibly a setting that was different? Stranger things have happened.

Boy, you sound just like this guy I know that starts new, outragous projects before he completes the prior ones biggrin.gif
post #166 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

I may take you up on the chauffeur offer if it's OK with you. I'll be flying down on the Friday and heading back home on the Sunday. What time is your Sunday morning flight?

-- Bill --

Sure no problem Bill if the timing works for you. I just booked my flights and I am out on Sunday at 1PM. I can get a bigger vehicle (SUV) if others want to ride along. Let me know what time you get into Philly on Friday. We can do the rest (exchange cell number etc) via PM. smile.gif

Sounds great - THANKS !!!

I'll be booking my flights / room sometime this weekend. Once that's done I'll PM you my contact information.

-- Bill --
post #167 of 1057
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post


The speakers in this meet are once again going to be played with un-eq'd response. Regardless, there is much more to a speaker's prescense than just it's eq'd response. Yes they will sound similar when played within their comfort zone once eq'd, but different people require different things from their setups. Other things play into how the speaker will sound like dynamic capability, distortion/compression in the passband, dispersion patterns, and phase/timing in the crossover design. All these play a part in the overall "sound" of a speaker. There are too many people that "Buy the cheapest speaker" plug it up, and sit there in wonderful bliss. They don't even know their speakers sound "loud" because they are distorting, or compressing. I hate those people. I wish I never found this place. (Gets up, throws computer screen, kicks pc tower, walks away)....


Ok, I'm back. maybe it is just my ears that should take the blame...

 

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


That a boy beast, we go from laconic to circuitous and then prescient to improvident.
Gotta love these boards ... tongue.gif

 

OK, please allow us to revisit the preface to my prior interrogative wherein I state "time for my ... idiot of the day question." I certainly had no intention of imbuing you with sufficiently contemptuous vitriol to instigate destruction of prized electronics. I'm simply attempting to ascertain how identical electronic inputs result in disparate physical stimuli (soudwaves), and why there exist seemingly discordant recommendations to A) avoid "buying the cheapest" crap, and B) falling into the cesspool of audiofoolery in which silver oxidized, dilithium crystal infused, kryptonite resistant, nanometer coiled, unobtainium regulated interconnects result in hitherto unheard of levels of "wonderful bliss." RMK! for instance, seemed to have a lovely bit of kit back in 2007 with Revel Performa F32s, but these were then "upgraded" to Ultima Studios, that were replaced with Ultima Studio 2s, that were cast out in favor of JTR T12's, and then ... I'm not sure, I think I'm only up to page 8 of his "finished" multipurpose/pseudo dedicated HT space thread. Somewhere I think ended up with the 212HT's, but as I am all too frequently mistaken don't quote me on that. Also, there seems to be some insinuation that he may or may not have attempted to corner the global JTR sub market.

 

And you're not improvident, you’re simply passionate. Perhaps a modicum manic, possibly with psychotic features, but certainly entertaining when beer/guns/explosions/pole dancing/line array 50kW folded horn subwoofers tuned to 2 Hz are involved, and I for one appreciate the opportunity to have my naiveté appropriately mocked by the erudite masses ...

 

Cheers

post #168 of 1057
BTW, the mocking comes standard with your AVS subscription. No need to thank anyone. smile.gif
post #169 of 1057
Too bad I missed the beginning of this thread. It may have been a good one to attend to. Anyway, looking forward to reading about it.
post #170 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Analgesia View Post

OK, please allow us to revisit the preface to my prior interrogative wherein I state "time for my ... idiot of the day question." I certainly had no intention of imbuing you with sufficiently contemptuous vitriol to instigate destruction of prized electronics. I'm simply attempting to ascertain how identical electronic inputs result in disparate physical stimuli (soudwaves), and why there exist seemingly discordant recommendations to A) avoid "buying the cheapest" crap, and B) falling into the cesspool of audiofoolery in which silver oxidized, dilithium crystal infused, kryptonite resistant, nanometer coiled, unobtainium regulated interconnects result in hitherto unheard of levels of "wonderful bliss." RMK! for instance, seemed to have a lovely bit of kit back in 2007 with Revel Performa F32s, but these were then "upgraded" to Ultima Studios, that were replaced with Ultima Studio 2s, that were cast out in favor of JTR T12's, and then ... I'm not sure, I think I'm only up to page 8 of his "finished" multipurpose/pseudo dedicated HT space thread. Somewhere I think ended up with the 212HT's, but as I am all too frequently mistaken don't quote me on that. Also, there seems to be some insinuation that he may or may not have attempted to corner the global JTR sub market.

Next GTG we gotta ensure this dude makes it. I can only imagine how much fun it would be to hear him speak once he's drunk. smiley-eatdrink009.gif
post #171 of 1057
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Next GTG we gotta ensure this dude makes it. I can only imagine how much fun it would be to hear him speak once he's drunk. smiley-eatdrink009.gif

 

Be careful what you wish for ...:rolleyes:

post #172 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Analgesia View Post


OK, please allow us to revisit the preface to my prior interrogative wherein I state "time for my ... idiot of the day question." I certainly had no intention of imbuing you with sufficiently contemptuous vitriol to instigate destruction of prized electronics. I'm simply attempting to ascertain how identical electronic inputs result in disparate physical stimuli (soudwaves), and why there exist seemingly discordant recommendations to A) avoid "buying the cheapest" crap, and B) falling into the cesspool of audiofoolery in which silver oxidized, dilithium crystal infused, kryptonite resistant, nanometer coiled, unobtainium regulated interconnects result in hitherto unheard of levels of "wonderful bliss." RMK! for instance, seemed to have a lovely bit of kit back in 2007 with Revel Performa F32s, but these were then "upgraded" to Ultima Studios, that were replaced with Ultima Studio 2s, that were cast out in favor of JTR T12's, and then ... I'm not sure, I think I'm only up to page 8 of his "finished" multipurpose/pseudo dedicated HT space thread. Somewhere I think ended up with the 212HT's, but as I am all too frequently mistaken don't quote me on that. Also, there seems to be some insinuation that he may or may not have attempted to corner the global JTR sub market.



 



And you're not improvident, you’re simply passionate. Perhaps a modicum manic, possibly with psychotic features, but certainly entertaining when beer/guns/explosions/pole dancing/line array 50kW folded horn subwoofers tuned to 2 Hz are involved, and I for one appreciate the opportunity to have my naiveté appropriately mocked by the erudite masses ...



 



Cheers



You remind me of my ex brother-in-law. Incredibly bright and funny chap who always entertained the room. Then, I spent a long weekend with him and the sis-in-law and by the second day, I wanted to stab him in the neck.

Small doses recommended. smile.gif
post #173 of 1057
"Ex" brother-in-law? I suppose this means they couldn't successfully remove the knife from his neck?
post #174 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

"Ex" brother-in-law? I suppose this means they couldn't successfully remove the knife from his neck?

Good stuff!
post #175 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


You remind me of my ex brother-in-law. Incredibly bright and funny chap who always entertained the room. Then, I spent a long weekend with him and the sis-in-law and by the second day, I wanted to stab him in the neck.

Small doses recommended. smile.gif

 

Well alrighty then ...

post #176 of 1057
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Originally Posted by Analgesia View Post

Well alrighty then ...

Welcome to AVS! I am in Rochester twice a month. We need to GTG sometime.
post #177 of 1057
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post


Welcome to AVS! I am in Rochester twice a month. We need to GTG sometime.

 

Hmmm, that depends. Are you the kinda guy who gets random impulses to stab someone in the neck? Cause if so I need to check and see which trauma surgeon is on that day ...

post #178 of 1057

And I'd love to. Also, from what I understand you are among the most severely afflicted around here, with a damn near terminal case of the upgraditis ... is that contagious? 

post #179 of 1057
Only with live auditions and no, I have not stabbed anyone recently wink.gif
post #180 of 1057
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Only with live auditions and no, I have not stabbed anyone recently wink.gif

Then I'm in !! You've still got dual stacked BFM DR250's right? How you have any residual hearing is a miracle of modern physiology .... :eek:

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