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Philips HDR5710/5750 DVRs, Antenna/Cable, Wired/Wireless Streaming, 33TB Storage

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Philips HDR5710/5750 DVRs

Antenna/Cable

Wired/Wireless Streaming (Built-In)

Internal/External HDDs

33TB Storage

 

This post summarizes what we know so far about the 5710 / 5750.

 

To post a comment or question in this thread, click here or send me a PM.

 

Help Files

User Manual (2.8MB)

Philips Support (Docs, FAQ, Contact, Product Reg.)

 

MSRP = $249.99 / $299.99

In USA: Amazon $249.99 / $299.99 ... Best Buy $249.99 / $299.99 ... NFM $239.99 (5710)

In Canada:  Future Shop $299.99 (5710) ... Best Buy $299.99 (5710) ... Best Buy owns Future Shop.

 

5710 / 5750 Features:

  • 5710 & 5750 are high-def (HD) Digital Video Recorders (DVR) with Hard Disk Drive (HDD) and streaming capability.
  • Internal OEM HDD (500GB / 1TB) + up to 8 user-supplied external USB-HDDs 32GB-4TB each. Up to 33TB storage.
  • Record to or play titles from either internal HDD or external USB-HDD.
  • Linux OS, XFS file system, .TTS files. We need expert Linux help on PC access to files on external HDD!
  • Connections on back: RF/Coax in/out, 1x HDMI out, 1x YWR RCA out, 1x USB, 1x Ethernet. No line inputs. No disc burner.
  • Dolby TrueHD for DD5.1 / 7.1 via HDMI v1.3 or later (some Bluray & Vudu have 7.1). One user had to set output to PCM to get DD?
  • Coax passthru with unit on or off for watching one channel with downstream TV/cable box tuner while recording diff. channel.
  • Single NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuner for tuning OTA/antenna or unscrambled analog/digital cable-QAM channels.
  • Records OTA/antenna and unscrambled digital cable-QAM channels, but cannot record analog cable channels.
  • Tunes all channels in numerical sequence, i.e., standard integrated HDTV tuner.
  • Skip single channels.
  • Add missed channels with "Weak Channel Installation."
  • Favorite channel memory for easy access.
  • 100 timer programs user-set with 5-field menu, single future date or intervals (M-F, Every Sun, etc.). No Guide.
  • Automatically titles recorded antenna and digital cable shows from broadcast stream, accurate if you start timers on the hour... clock is reported to maintain accuracy with Auto Clock On.
  • Edit title names (max. 60 char.) after recording with on-screen menu and arrows/OK.
  • Max. 2,000 titles on each HDD in scrolling Title List with 9 titles shown at a time.
  • High-speed Copy or Move titles between internal and external HDDs. Create genre HDDs?
  • Copy titles to ext. DVDR, PC, etc. via YWR RCA out w/HDMI setting other than Auto or 1080p.
  • Max. single-title rec time = 8 hours.
  • Max. manual-timed rec ("one-touch") = 4 hours (time added w/Rec button in 15-min. increments).
  • Closed caption, analog/digital (CC1/CS1). Streaming services like Netflix not required to add CC/subtitles to all content until April 30 2014,
  • Variable skip/replay options (5s/10s/30s/1m/5m)
  • Auto chapter options (Off/5m/10m/15m/20m/30m/60m).
  • Chasing playback during recording (just press PLAY, don't need Title List).
  • Simultaneous playback and recording (play other HDD titles while recording).

  • Simultaneous recording and dubbing (Copy/Move) between HDDs.
  • Simultaneous output from HDMI and YWR RCA w/HDMI setting other than Auto or 1080p.
  • Pseudo-PLTV - No buffer so must use REC instead of PAUSE, as described here.

  • Wired or Wireless streaming, no adapter needed. OEM-installed channels so far: Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, CinemaNow.
  • Auto software/FW update via internet or manual update via USB.
  • 2 remote codes to help prevent machine conflicts... 1 is same code as for 7-year old Philips SD DVDRs 3575/3576.
  • Manual clock setting.
  • Auto Clock setting, Search to set specific channel that works best, as described here.
  • Power failure loses clock but not timer programs! Clock is restored with power if Auto Clock is on.
  • Auto power-off (3 hours, if set), with confirmation  msg 3-min before shutoff.
  • Smaller & lighter than SD HDD DVDRs: 11-1/8" W x 8" D x 2" H... 2.96 lb/3.62 lb
  • Warranty = 1yr/1yr P/L.
  • "/F7" at end of official model number indicates a North American model and is often not used.

 

 

                

 

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Screen Shots

 

Home Menu

 

Setup Menu with Playback/Recording Selected

 

Setup Menu with Video/Audio Selected

 

Installation Menu with Clock Selected

 

Auto Clock Setting Menu

 

Timer Programming Menu - Arrow up for single program date or down for recurring options (M-F, Every Tues,  etc.)

 

Timer Programming Menu - Arrow up/down to select internal or external HDD

 

Title List Menu showing names auto-entered (from antenna or digital cable)   N = New (not played back)

Options at right are: Play from Start, Resume Playback, Edit Title Name, Protect Off-On,

Title Delete, Delete Multiple Titles, Source (USB-HDD)

 

Title List Menu with On-Screen Keyboard

 

NetTV menu with channels factory-installed at product release. Can or may be expanded via auto-update?

 

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Internal Pics for Techies

 

Some internal pics for those with a silicon fetish.

 

Removing the cover: The unit's outside cover is held on by 5 small phillips sheet metal screws, 3 on the back and 1 on each side towards the front. Remove those screws, slide the cover toward the back of the unit, and lift it off. Caution: This could void your warranty! Also, see the general Precautions here to avoid damaging or totally frying your machine!

 

HDD = 2-1/2" Toshiba MQ01ABF050 500GB 2.5" 5400RPM.

"New" one here with "HDK" designation, as this pic shows on HDD label, 4th line down from "Toshiba."

Toshiba MQ01ABF Series Data. Comes only in 320/500GB, so 5750 prob. has diff. HDD.

List of Tosh data sheets, etc, just in case that's also a Tosh HDD. Their 1TB model is MQ02ABF Series.

 

 

 

  

  

 

 

  

 

 

  

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

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Help Files

 

Info on some basic machine ops.

 

To post a comment or question in this thread, click here or send me a PM.

 

Index:

Setting the Clock

Connections for Watching One Channel While Recording Another

Copying from This DVR to External DVDR or PC

Editing Titles on a DVDR or PC and Making DVD Copies

Titling Recorded Shows Automatically or Manually

Chasing Playback and Simultaneous Play/Record

Psuedo-PLTV (Pause Live TV)

Power Backup and Machine Reset

Using USB-HDDs

Offloading Files to PC

An Intriguing PC App for Linux/XFS/TTS Files?

Mohu Leaf Ultimate & Sky Antennas for OTA

 

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Setting the Clock

 

You can set and maintain this DVR's clock manually with the Clock Setting menu or automatically with the Auto Clock menu.

 

The manual Clock Setting menu is only available if you have Auto Clock OFF, which is the default setting.

 

Auto Clock time data comes from digital channels only. OTA/antenna broadcasters must include a time signal by FCC Rule, but cable companies are not required to provide that same data. Therefore, an Auto Clock setting in a cable TV system may or may not be accurate to start with or remain accurate over time.

 

If you set Auto Clock ON, it will search all digital channels until it finds a time signal and sets the clock to that signal. The disadvantage of letting the machine search on a regular basis is that it might find a bad or "rogue" signal that makes the clock system go wonky. However, there is a way to "manually" find a good time signal and set the Auto Clock routine to search only that signal, as described below.

 

Setting Auto Clock

  1. With Auto Clock OFF, open the manual Clock Setting menu and set your clock to an odd time so the next steps will confirm a change to the correct time.
  2. Turn Auto Clock ON.
  3. Enter your digital FOX channel # in the Auto Clock menu.
  4. Click OK on the Search button. The REC indicator light on the front panel blinks while searching.
  5. When blinking stops, turn Auto Clock OFF and check the clock time in the manual Clock Setting menu. If clock is now correct, turn Auto Clock back ON... you're done.
  6. If time is still "odd" or incorrect, start over from Step 2 and try other digital channels: ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or a diff. FOX digital channel if you have one,

 

User-1 (OTA) is getting an excellent time signal from a digital ABC station.

 

Your local govt/public-supported (cash-starved) PBS channel or state network may be off from the get-go or may go wonky between Sunday evening and Monday morning when many PBS stations go OFF-AIR, so all the time sensor sees and hears is HASH... year 2043 coming right up!

 

If ALL station data delivers bad time where you live, you can take that data out of the equation by running with the Clock Setting (manual) method described on pg. 28 of the manual.

 

Users can help us determine how accurate the unassisted DVR clock remains over time by turning Auto Clock OFF, setting their clocks manually against an atomic clock, and reporting what kind of long-term time drift they see with the machine's unassisted internal clock.

 

I asked User-1 to connect to the internet and leave his clock set manually, with Auto Clock OFF, and see if his DVR picked up any time-set from the internet. Sadly, it did not BUT he might have only run his test less than 48 hours, which might not be long enough for internet clock-sets, which can be up to 7 days apart.

 

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Connections for Watching One Channel While Recording Another

 

Unlike VCRs, nothing internal to this DVR (menus, channels or HDD playback) goes through the coax circuit, only the raw incoming signal. The DVR's internal stuff goes through its two video/audio outputs, HDMI and Composite YWR RCA. Output is simultaneous as long as HDMI is not set for Auto or 1080p.

 

This DVR has an internal splitter circuit with "coax passthrough." That means whatever signal is received on the ANTENNA IN connection goes through this DVR via coax out so a downstream cable box or TV can tune channels independently. The DVR tuner receives the same signal from the internal splitter so this DVR can also tune all unscrambled channels independently.

 

Thus, the cable box or TV can tune one channel and this DVR can tune and record a different channel simultaneously. This passthrough works with the DVR on or off. You do NOT need an external splitter, with its min. 50% signal loss.

 

For a typical installation, connect the incoming antenna or cable coax to this DVR first, then connect coax out to the cable box or TV. Connect an HDMI cable or the YWR RCA cables from this DVR to your TV for viewing internal DVR stuff. HDMI is a digital connection and will give you the best pic quality... and audio, which is another complex subject.

 

YWR RCA are analog and are for old, pre-HDMI TVs that have only YWR RCA connectors. An alternative use of the YWR RCA is for connecting to a DVD recorder (DVDR) or PC so you can offload HDD recordings for editing, making DVD copies, etc., as described in the "Copying" subject below.

 

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Copying from This DVR to External DVDR or PC

 

The YWR RCA connections on back can be connected to a recording device, like a DVDR or PC, to copy HDD recordings in real time for editing and making DVD copies, if desired.

 

IF both HDMI and YWR RCA are connected to this DVR at the same time, Yellow RCA (video) output stops (audio always outputs) unless you (1) temporarily disconnect the HDMI from this DVR or (2) set HDMI to 480p, 720p or 1080i while copying.

 

We haven't had any help from the known Linux experts on AVS (too busy sniping), but someday a White Knight will figure out the Linux XFS file system and develop procedures for copying at the file level to a PC. A baby step was made by a Linux newbie in the "Offloading..." subject below.

 

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Editing Titles on a DVDR or PC and Making DVD Copies

 

These DVRs don't have any Editing capabilities other than Pause while manual recording, which leaves a slight hesitation in playback at that point. However, you can copy recordings from this DVR's YWR RCA output to either a DVDR with editing capabilities or a PC for editing on that device... no Yellow RCA (video) output if HDMI is connected and set at Auto or 1080p so must disconnect HDMI cable from this DVR or set it to 480p, 720p or 1080i while copying.

 

This DVR's file system is Linux/XFS and it records titles to .TTS files.

 

Here's a Wiki article on editing SW for video files... make sure you use SW for Linux/XFS/.TTS.

Here's the Comparison table from that Wiki article... make sure you use SW for Linux/XFS/,TTS.

Here's a list of Video Converters to change formats... make sure you use a converter for Linux/XFS/.TTS so you don't create a Windows "Frankenstein file" like User-1 did.

 

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Titling Recorded Shows Automatically or Manually

 

You can title recorded shows automatically or manually.

 

These DVRs capture and display show titles based on info from the show's broadcast. However, you'll only get accurate auto-titles if you don't pad the beginning time (i.e., start early). Finding a good time signal for Auto Clock will make it possible to start and end all shows on the hour... see Setting the Clock subject above.

 

After recording, you can manually change show names using the Title List > Menu > Edit Title Name option and on-screen keyboard, which pops up after you click Edit Title Name.

 

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Chasing Playback and Simultaneous Play/Record

 

Chasing Playback

 

You can "chase-play" a title currently being recorded. Just press PLAY and the title being recorded will start playing from the first frame. While playing, you can press any play-mode button (Stop/Play/FF/Rew/Skip/Replay/Next/Prev), but if you press STOP 2X in a row, a Yes/No dialog will pop up asking if want to stop the recording. Click NO if still recording. Pressing STOP 2X in a row while in playback mode (on any title) deletes that title's Resume point.

 

Simultaneous Play/Record

 

You can simultaneously play an already recorded HDD title while recording a new one. Select Source (HDD or USB-HDD if one is connected). Then go to its Title List, highlight a title and press PLAY or OK. You can also press MENU to get other options for playback like Play from Start or Resume Playback.

 

TIP: If you want to Resume playing an already recorded title you last watched, you can skip the Title List and just press PLAY on live TV, and that title will start playing from its Resume point.

 

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Psuedo-PLTV (Pause Live TV)

 

This DVR does not have "Autostart Recording" so there's no buffer to use for PLTV. However, these units DO have a feature I'm calling "Pseudo-PLTV."

 

If you're watching live TV thru this unit's tuner and have to go:

 

1. Press REC.
The unit starts recording what you're watching from that point in time.

a. Manual rec (continuous) - press REC once for manual recording, up to 8 hours.

b. One-Touch rec (time-limited) -  press REC multiple times to add rec time in 15 minute increments, up to 4 hours.

 

2. On return, press PLAY.

If it's still recording when you return, press PLAY to see what you missed (Chase Play). While playing, you can press any play-mode button (Stop/Play/FF/Rew/Skip/Replay/Next/Prev), but if you press STOP 2X in a row, a Yes/No dialog will pop up asking if want to stop the recording. Click the right answer for your situation, i.e., show over, not over, stuff on now or coming up that you want to include in the recording, etc.

 

If you take a long time getting back, don't worry. The DVR will stop recording either at the max. rec times stated above or when a timer recording intervenes (it takes precedence). In either case, there will be a title on the HDD to watch what you missed.

 

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Power Backup and Machine Reset

 

More info is needed on this feature. The manual states it loses the clock but doesn't mention programs, and it doesn't mention a power-backup capability. However, one recent (4/21/14) Reviewer said this DVR has a 1-hour backup and it loses time and scheduled programs. No info also on whether having Auto Clock ON extends the power-backup time... it doubles power-backup time in Funai's Magnavox HDD DVDRs.

 

If you do lose the clock, it will return quickly if you have Auto Clock on and set to a channel that has a good time signal. If not, you'll have to reset the clock manually with the Clock Setting menu.

 

If you have a problem with the machine, you can pull the power cord for 5 minutes to see if that will "reset" it and eliminate the problem.

 

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Using USB-HDDs

 

Attaching

You attach USB-HDDs differently, depending on whether the HDD is USB-powered (also called "bus-powered) or "wall-powered" (has a "wall wart" plug for power).

USB-powered HDD - plug USB cable into DVR with DVR ON or OFF.

Wall-powered HDD - with HDD wall wart unplugged (no HDD power), plug USB cable into DVR then HDD wall wart into socket and turn HDD on.

 

Detaching

You detach USB-HDDs differently, depending on whether the HDD is USB-powered (also called "bus-powered) or self-powered (has a "wall wart" plug for power).

USB-powered HDD - turn DVR off first (all 3 LEDs on front panel off), then unplug USB cable.

Wall-powered HDD - turn both DVR and HDD off before disconnecting USB cable.

 

Never detach a USB-HDD while it's recording or playing.

 

When this DVR finds a new, never Registered USB-HDD attached, it will open a dialog asking if you want to Register (Initialize) it. Select YES, but only if it's a drive being used for the first time on this DVR... all existing files are "deleted" if you answer YES. Otherwise, decline the invitation.

 

You can delete one or more individual titles on a Registered USB-HDD with the Title List menu. You can delete ALL titles with the Media Manager > USB-HDD Menu. There you can edit (customize) the HDD name, protect the HDD, or delete all recordings

 

Using USB-HDDs on Multiple DVRs? ... Too soon to know for sure.

 

While typical users will be well satisfied with the ability to attach up to EIGHT external USB-HDDs, 32GB-4TB each, the ability to swap machines with 32TB of external storage would be a big selling point to gearheads. Oh, oh, cue sniper attacks!

 

The manual talks about "Registering" in 4 major subject areas, only one of which relates to USB-HDDs. Others are Favorite Channel, Cable TV provider, and Dubbing. In the USB-HDD area, I think "Registering" is Japanese for "Initializing," the word they use on pp 55 & 56 of the manual under "USB-HDD Connection." 

 

That's the same term used for their SD DVDRs for making a new HDD "recognizable" by the DVDR, and that DVDR can be ANY of those with the same OS. Several people have HDD farms and multiple DVDRs they move HDDs between with titles on them, without having to RE-initialize and wipe out the recordings.

 

Funai also uses "Registering" in their latest SD DVDRs for marking recorded titles to be Added to the Dub Menu. It appears that its only purpose is to place a checkmark on each title you add to the Dub Menu so when you go back to add more titles, you can SEE which titles have already been added. Prior models with virtually identical OS's did not have such a step in the Dubbing process.

 

Even though it's WAY too early to tell what "Registering" actually means in this case, it immediately became another "attack vector" for the usual AVS elitist snipers who want to sell you something else. They confidently predicted that it meant the USB-HDDs you "register" on this DVR will be "captive" to that machine (SN) only and can't be used on another machine of the same brand/kind, similar to the situation with Tivo, Moxi, PAL, CM DVR+(?) and others with "captive" HDDs.

 

That may be true... we simply don't know yet.

 

Those who are hoping these new units succeed, at least for some users like you, should keep an open mind until you get a skilled user who actually buys TWO of these units, "Registers" one or more USB-HDDs on one machine, records to them, then tries to connect one or both of the USB-HDDs to the other unit. If the 2nd unit asks if you want to Register the HDD, say NO.

 

I'm hoping that once one DVR ID's (slot-numbers) a USB-HDD, that HDD will be accepted by a different DVR as long as the slot number has not been assigned to another HDD. That is, if you ID eight USB-HDDs as #1 through #8, you can swap those eight HDD between DVRs if the receiving DVR doesn't have a different set of USB-HDDs registered in its OS?

 

This feature will have to be carefully and thoroughly tested before posting. Don't post here expecting anyone else to help you "develop" your ideas since (1) not many people post here, and (2) the only response you'll get right away is from elitist snipers who check here regularly looking for targets. You'll recognize snipers when they post since they usually make sweeping negative declarations, predictions, misconceptions, spins, etc. Although quickly deleted, the first post here after I created this thread was from one of those snipers who couldn't wait to list four negatives before anyone had a manual or a machine in his hands to evaluate.

 

The elitist snipers in this case have an advantage in that they have an "expert" beta tester and AVS Linux experts evaluating their preferred DVR+ while, so far, we've had only one unskilled user flailing around blindly. Even those AVS users who post in this thread and have known Linux experience have offered little to no help, so you may be screwed in this area of machine ops until the White Knight appears.

 

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Offloading Files to PC

 

Baby step: User-1, a Linux newbie, was finally able to offload his 5710's .TTS files (3 posts) to his WIndows PC. However, he converted this DVR's Linux/XFS files to .TS with a Windows Conversion tool... can you say "Frankenstein files?" We need an unbiased Linux expert to tell us what's up!

 

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An Intriguing PC App for Linux/XFS/TTS Files?

 

UFS Explorer (here) might be something to try on this DVR's Linux/XFS/TTS files? (Shareware option is initial trial version limited to 256K files.) Full UFS option: Recovery CD for booting PC in Ubuntu Linux and using UFS apps (here).

 

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Mohu Leaf Ultimate & Sky Antennas for OTA

 

See this help file for info on the multidirectional Mohu Leaf Ultimate indoor antenna and the Mohu Sky attic or outdoor antenna.

 

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Edited by wajo - Yesterday at 6:18 am
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Edited by wajo - 3/29/14 at 8:45am
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Edited by wajo - 3/29/14 at 8:57am
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wajo,

I found the operational wattage for two of the three units to be 9 watts, but one, a Phillips, is 11 watts. Is that enough diffeence for one to have an internal hard drive?

Thanks!
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wajo,

I found the opeational wattage for two of the three units to be 9 watts, but one, a Phillips is 11 watts. Is that enough diffeence for one to have an internal hard drive?

Thanks!

 

Accordng to that Energy Star site, those are the Watts for "On Mode Power (Watts)."

 

This could be the Watts used when just "On" since they don't show an "Operating" power stat? Even so, if they use 2-1/2" HDDs internally, those wattages should be quite adequate for operational state.

 

A Hitachi 2-1/2" 500GB Travelstar power specs are:

 

Requirement +5VDC(+-5%)
Start-up (W, peak, max) 5.5
Read/Write (W, avg) 1.8
Low power idle (W, avg) 0.8
Standby (W, avg) 0.2

 

A WD Scorpio Blue 2-1/2" 1TB drive has these power specs:

 

Average power requirements (W)
Read/Write 1.4
Idle 0.59
Standby/Sleep 0.18

 

That site shows "Sleep" mode for these new units to be 0.3W.


Edited by wajo - 11/6/13 at 9:33am
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Reposted from the DVD Recorders forum.

 

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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

Wajo
The remote reminds me of my sony remote with Netflix at the bottom.
Will the Magnavox be able to record the wifi channels? I've been streaming Netflix for most
of the year.On both the sony 3100 and the much faster
LG 42" 6200 TV !

 

It seems that it will, most likely just like your Sony. It even has buttons for "Net App" and "HOME" which are intriguing.


On the Energy Star site, the new units are "typed" as IPTV units but, as they explain "Type," units can be simple (one type only) or "Complex" (many types), but they just have to be "classed" for one type. So, they appear to certainly be streaming devices, but also tuning channels with the CH+/CH- buttons.

 

They show "ATSC Tuner" and, since ATSC covers both antenna and cable (see Wiki article), they'll be able to record from an antenna and possibly also from cable. See my comments on this in Post #1 above.


Edited by wajo - 11/19/13 at 12:17pm
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It seems that it will, most likely just like your Sony. It even has buttons for "Net App" and "HOME" which are intriguing.


On the Energy Star site, the new units are "typed" as IPTV units but, as they explain "Type," units can be simple (one type only) or "Complex" (many types), but they just have to be "classed" for one type. So, they appear to certainly be streaming devices and, since the TB unit has "Antenna" in and out connectors, it might be just for tuning Antenna channels with the CH+/CH- buttons... I'm wondering if the model designation, "TB," stands for Terrestrial Broadcast, while the Philips units designated as "HDR" might stand for High Def Recorder?

 

Speculation is fun... but often wrong!?

Speculation can be fun. Until we see a real spec sheet all there is is speculation.

 

Remote: no guide button: PSIP only?

No cable card slot: clear QAM is soon to be going to heaven.

Low power consumption: drive doesn't run all the time.

 

Well, we now have have something to dream about. At least Funai hasn't given up on the U.S. (speculation)

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I wonder if these units will end up at Walmart since they have carried the Magnavox and Funai DVD recorders and Bluray players. Hopefully it will be reasonably priced and perform well.
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I wonder if these units will end up at Walmart since they have carried the Magnavox and Funai DVD recorders and Bluray players. Hopefully it will be reasonably priced and perform well.

 

That's virtually a certainty since these units might well be the result of Walmart "requesting" them, and Walmart represents ~49% of Funai's GLOBAL sales and ~74% of N.A. sales! Funai will usually not make anything for the U.S. without a "request" from Walmart.

 

As I was told, the latest DVD recorders (53x Series) were the result of our "Dear Walmart" campaign.

 

Based on past preformance, Walmart appears to get a 90-day or so "exclusive" sales deal, so I'm pretty sure you'll see anything new there first. In fact, as the DVD Recorder market was waning a few years ago, Walmart said they were not going to have them on their shelves anymore, but these NEW units, if they appear, might well be on store shelves, as they represent the future (next gen.)???

 

More speculation, of course! :D 

 

EDIT 2/3/14: AND TURNED OUT TO BE NOT TRUE. Two Philips units released first with none at Walmart. Mag unit "Coming Soon."


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Originally Posted by tomintn View Post

wajo,

I found the opeational wattage for two of the three units to be 9 watts, but one, a Phillips is 11 watts. Is that enough diffeence for one to have an internal hard drive?

Thanks!

 

Accordng to that Energy Star site, those are the Watts for "On Mode Power (Watts)."

 

This could be the Watts used when just "On" since they don't show an "Operating" power stat? Even so, if they use 2-1/2" HDDs internally, those wattages should be quite adequate for operational state.

 

A Hitachi 2-1/2" 500GB Travelstar power specs are:

 

Requirement +5VDC(+-5%)
Start-up (W, peak, max) 5.5
Read/Write (W, avg) 1.8
Low power idle (W, avg) 0.8
Standby (W, avg) 0.2

 

A WD Scorpio Blue 2-1/2" 1TB drive has these power specs:

 

Average power requirements (W)
Read/Write 1.4
Idle 0.59
Standby/Sleep 0.18

 

That site shows "Sleep" mode for these new units to be 0.3W.


 I just realized that, at least the TB unit, HAS to have an internal HDD since Funai's designation letter "H" typically indcates such. Of course, they *could* have retained the "H" since it is "able to be connected" to an external HDD, but that seems less likely than having an internal HDD?

 

Besides, internal and external HDDs is one primary item on our Wish List! :D 

 

EDIT 2/3/14: The two Philips units released first have both internal HDDs with external USB-HDD add-ons, up to 8 each, 32GB-4TB capacity.


Edited by wajo - 2/3/14 at 4:02pm
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Very excited to hear it. I have been looking for a retirement replacement for my beleaguered Panasonic DMR EH75V (sure wish they would bring their BD DVRs out of Europe!) and I've been eyeing the Magnavox DVD/HDD box over and over again. Neither of these will probably be exactly what I'm looking for, but whatever it does for my AV set-up will be nice enough; where it'll REALLY save me is with my parents and grandparents who both need something to replace that VCR still ticking away during daytime TV.

 

What I'm a little concerned about with both of these boxes though is that I don't see an IR Blaster on the Magnavox page so far, I don't know to expect the Phillips one to be radically different. Funai hasn't put IR on any of its recorders yet, making it a much more difficult device to work with if you have to daisy-chain it into a set-top box. You can program some boxes to change channels on a timer a lot of the time (and IR Blasters have occasionally failed me,) but I'd much rather have that feature as part of any DVR product than for the casual electronics consumers who this targets at Wal-Marts to have to figure out how to make that work with their system and double-program it every single time they follow a new show.

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Very excited to hear it. I have been looking for a retirement replacement for my beleaguered Panasonic DMR EH75V (sure wish they would bring their BD DVRs out of Europe!) and I've been eyeing the Magnavox DVD/HDD box over and over again. Neither of these will probably be exactly what I'm looking for, but whatever it does for my AV set-up will be nice enough; where it'll REALLY save me is with my parents and grandparents who both need something to replace that VCR still ticking away during daytime TV.

 

What I'm a little concerned about with both of these boxes though is that I don't see an IR Blaster on the Magnavox page so far, I don't know to expect the Phillips one to be radically different. Funai hasn't put IR on any of its recorders yet, making it a much more difficult device to work with if you have to daisy-chain it into a set-top box. You can program some boxes to change channels on a timer a lot of the time (and IR Blasters have occasionally failed me,) but I'd much rather have that feature as part of any DVR product than for the casual electronics consumers who this targets at Wal-Marts to have to figure out how to make that work with their system and double-program it every single time they follow a new show.

 

Good points, and I agree on the IR Blaster thing for cable.

 

Based on the very limited or still non-existent "evidence" so far, I'm thinking the TB745 is for antenna. Since it's a Mag-branded device, I'm surprised to see a USB connection since I was told before that the SD units didn't have USB "because that's a Philips thing." Even tho Funai built the original Philips HDD DVDRs, which did have USB, when they started making the follow-on Mag units, USB disappeared. So, there must have been some "constraints" in the deal for Funai to take over Philips DVD recorder business, using the Philips-owned (Except in Australia) "Magnavox" trade name, that doesn't exist anymore? Even so, IF the TB unit is really only for OTA and streaming, no need for an IR Blaster.

 

On the other hand, I'm hoping the Philips units might be for both antenna and cable, even tho getting involved in today's U.S. cable games seems like an dicey situation. The Philips units *might* be something worth considering for OTA and cable users and they just *might* have an IR Blaster, which has long been on our Wish Lists for new and next-gen devices.

 

Speculation continues for now. :eek: 


Edited by wajo - 11/11/13 at 8:13am
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Speaking of the Philips HDR units, I just found some info on the net.

 

Here's an Amazon page with a $279.99 price for the 5710, which has a HDD with 50-hour HD capacity. 5750 model is $329.99 at Amazon and has a 100-hour HD capacity. (Both show "Out of Stock" but that's typical of Amazon with a brand new item. Based on prior experience, prices should be cheaper at Walmart.)

 

Amazon pages say both have an "ATSC tuner" but here's how they advertise the current OTA/QAM tuner in the HDD DVDR models right now:

SD HDD DVDR Specs on Amazon:

  • ATSC Tuner
  • 1080P Up Conversion
  • 320GB HDD Memory
  • Record from TV, or HDD to DVD

 

For the same SD HDD DVDR with OTA/QAM tuner on Walmart.com:

"This HDD DVR and DVD Recorder with Digital Tuner lets you watch, forward, rewind or freeze live TV while recording."

 

Typically, Funai (and others) have not advertised QAM as being included in their "digital" tuners, so there's still hope for cable users!? In fact, there's still hope for the TB745 as well, even tho the back coax connectors are ID'd as "Antenna"... something like the current SD HDD DVDRs have that are ID'd as "ANT IN" and "ANT OUT."

 

 

 

It would be nice to have cable support, but without a cable card slot it would be a large gamble the way things are trending. I would buy one if the price is right.

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I hope if these come to be that Funai keeps using different IR codes for the remotes between Philips and Magnavox. It would also be nice if the codes were different than the current HDD/DVD recorders.
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I hope if these come to be that Funai keeps using different IR codes for the remotes between Philips and Magnavox. It would also be nice if the codes were different than the current HDD/DVD recorders.

 

That's a good question and a possibility IF they've really been reading our Wish Lists, posts, etc., as I've been told they do. If one or more of the key engineers has seen pg. 1 of the HDD DVDR thread, they should be aware of our problems keeping multiple units happy, e,g,, the subject titled "Controlling Multiple Units of Same Brand / Manufacturer"?

 

Hopefully, they'll read THIS thread and esp. this post!?

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It would be nice to have cable support, but without a cable card slot it would be a large gamble the way things are trending. I would buy one if the price is right.

It seems that most of these third-party DVR manufacturers aren't interested in CableCard support, probably because it takes a lot of time and money to configure the product to accept one and obey its restrictions. Going to that amount of trouble is probably seen as an excessive expenditure, because the market for third-party cable DVRs isn't very big, what with TiVo dominating that market. If you're already paying for cable, the simplest DVR solution is to also pay for the cable company's DVR, and Joe Sixpack likes simplicity, which leaves little market share for alternatives. As such, it wouldn't be a surprise if these are OTA/clear QAM only.
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It seems that most of these third-party DVR manufacturers aren't interested in CableCard support, probably because it takes a lot of time and money to configure the product to accept one and obey its restrictions. Going to that amount of trouble is probably seen as an excessive expenditure, because the market for third-party cable DVRs isn't very big, what with TiVo dominating that market. If you're already paying for cable, the simplest DVR solution is to also pay for the cable company's DVR, and Joe Sixpack likes simplicity, which leaves little market share for alternatives. As such, it wouldn't be a surprise if these are OTA/clear QAM only.

So, so true. But not a surprize. But here's a wierd story: I have an original small Premiere. I just bought a new 500GB Series4. I've been moving so I finally got the cable and network finished. All that was left was the cable card.

 

Today at 10:00am I called my cable office for a $2.95/month card. I asked if I could drive the 20 miles and save the $35 truck roll charge. They said sure, so I jumped in my car and found the office (how did we live without GPS?). I told them it was my second card for a TiVo and they said call to activate.

 

In under 30 minutes (from leaving the office) I had the card installed and was on the phone having it activated. They said "ok?" and I said you have to wait 10 seconds. I started counting and at 10 seconds the channels started to display. Bottom line is you have to be very technically challenged to have a problem with a TiVo and a cable card. If Funai can make it equally easy there will be no support calls. But what about a guide?

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If Funai can make it equally easy there will be no support calls. But what about a guide?
Don't hold your breath on cable card. Anything in that price range better have 2 tuners and at least PSIP guide capability. Anyone who wants a single tuner box that programs like a VCR can buy an iView or HomeWorx for $50.

Did you also notice the lack of a TV volume control on the remote.
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

It seems that most of these third-party DVR manufacturers aren't interested in CableCard support, probably because it takes a lot of time and money to configure the product to accept one and obey its restrictions. Going to that amount of trouble is probably seen as an excessive expenditure, because the market for third-party cable DVRs isn't very big, what with TiVo dominating that market. If you're already paying for cable, the simplest DVR solution is to also pay for the cable company's DVR, and Joe Sixpack likes simplicity, which leaves little market share for alternatives. As such, it wouldn't be a surprise if these are OTA/clear QAM only.
But these new 3rd party DVRs will be mostly useless for cable TV without a cable card, since most cablecos are now eliminating analog and clear qam and requiring a cable box. So you are indeed better off with the cable DVR or TiVo in that case.
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With the talk of IR blasters or not, has anyone noticed there don't seem to be any INPUT jacks? What good is an IR blaster if you can't feed the cable box output into the recorder?

Or, have I missed something?
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With the talk of IR blasters or not, has anyone noticed there don't seem to be any INPUT jacks? What good is an IR blaster if you can't feed the cable box output into the recorder?

Or, have I missed something?

For the old-folk Wal-Mart crowd that this would be partly servicing, the use of the antennae plug for RF channel 3 would still be part of their set-up. (You'd think we'd at least have composite on all cable boxes by now, but Comcast in my area still gives out "digital adapters" unless you want to pay more for a full-scale box, and that is RF in/out... actually, I kind of like RF because it's often set to passthrough, I still have some of my older components wired into my HDTV's antennae jack for simplicity and I just jack in RCA/SVIDEO cables as needed.)

 

But yes, we've gone a while without acknowledging and bemoaning that the unit (at least, the diagrammed Magnavox box) is not designed to record just anything, its purpose is specifically over-the-air broadcasts, Even though this records HD, your old DVD/HDD recorder or Windows Media Center rig may still not be ready to be replaced if you want "free, no-PC TIVO".

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With the talk of IR blasters or not, has anyone noticed there don't seem to be any INPUT jacks? What good is an IR blaster if you can't feed the cable box output into the recorder?


Or, have I missed something?
For the old-folk Wal-Mart crowd that this would be partly servicing, the use of the antennae plug for RF channel 3 would still be part of their set-up. (You'd think we'd at least have composite on all cable boxes by now, but Comcast in my area still gives out "digital adapters" unless you want to pay more for a full-scale box, and that is RF in/out... actually, I kind of like RF because it's often set to passthrough, I still have some of my older components wired into my HDTV's antennae jack for simplicity and I just jack in RCA/SVIDEO cables as needed.)

But yes, we've gone a while without acknowledging and bemoaning that the unit (at least, the diagrammed Magnavox box) is not designed to record just anything, its purpose is specifically over-the-air broadcasts, Even though this records HD, your old DVD/HDD recorder or Windows Media Center rig may still not be ready to be replaced if you want "free, no-PC TIVO".

Have you ever known an RF output on a cable box to feed a high def picture to a device? Most likely a down-rezzed SD picture. That would make the HD aspect of the new recorders a moot point for cable box people.

As for 'having gone a while without...', um....

This thread only started three days ago.
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It appears that Funai has been pretty busy in 2013 developing new HD recorders. Here are THREE others that might be for foreign customers, but interesting nonetheless:

 

PVR2-DVR1000 HDD Recorder - Linux Op System

This also shows up as a "prototype" UPNP DLNA recorder.

 

BH6-BR1000 Blu-Ray Recorder - Linux Op System

 

BH51-BR2000 Blu-Ray Recorder - Proprietary Op System


Edited by wajo - 11/9/13 at 11:31am
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"Each unit features wireless connectivity and HDMI input. Consumers can increase storage by using an external hard drive that connects via USB to the console."

 

Perhaps a typo?

 

Can we start speculating where it gets the time?

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Can we start speculating where it gets the time?

You need to buy the sundial accessory for that. wink.gif
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So here is the relevant information from the above link:
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P&F USA, which manages the Philips brand for TV and video products in the United States, unveiled Thursday a line of Philips high-definition DVRs targeted at the growing ranks of TV cord-cutters.

Philips models HDR5710 ($250 suggested retail) and HDR5750 ($300 suggested retail) are capable of recording FullHD 1080p over-the-air broadcast television recording
Quote:
Unlike DVRs from TiVo and multichannel video service providers, the Philips HDRs do not have an onboard program guide. Programs are set to record by time and channel, like VCRs . . . The Philips HDR5710 and HDR5750 have a built-in ATSC tuner

No cable tuner
Single ATSC tuner
No guide
Manual VCR-style programming

This does not compare well with the other units in VideoBruce's list at that pricepoint. It offers little more than the iView/HomeWorx at sub-$100.


In a related article:
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Amsterdam, Netherlands – Philips called off a deal announced in January to sell its Lifestyle Entertainment business unit to Japan’s Funai Electric.

However, Funai subsidiary P&F USA will continue to market the business unit’s products on an exclusive basis in North America under an existing agreement that expires at the end of 2015.

Lifestyle Entertainment products include portable and tabletop home audio products, headphones, portable DVD players and accessories.

“Philips will proceed to investigate other opportunities for the audio, video, multimedia and accessories business while continuing to run this business within Philips, operating with a significantly lower cost structure as a standalone entity called Woox Innovations,” Philips said.

P&F USA will also continue as the exclusive North American licensee for Philips-brand consumer TVs, Blu-ray players, HTiBs and soundbars through 2015 under an existing separate agreement, which makes P&F USA responsible for the sourcing, distribution, marketing and sales of those products and products in the Philips Hospitality division in North America, Mexico and select Latin American countries.

Under the January agreement, Funai was to pay $200 million to take over production of Lifestyle Entertainment products and license the rights to market the products under the Philips brand for five years.

Philips contends Funai hasn’t taken the steps necessary to complete the deal and will seek damages, citing breach of contract. Funai denied the charge.
So it would appear that the Philips units are indeed Philips -- designed and made by a Philips subsidiary and nothing to do with funai -- which means nothing to do with a fuani/Magnavox unit which should separated into a speculation thread of its own.
Edited by Kelson - 11/9/13 at 11:53pm
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You need to buy the sundial accessory for that. wink.gif
Is it a wireless sundial?
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Have you ever known an RF output on a cable box to feed a high def picture to a device? Most likely a down-rezzed SD picture. That would make the HD aspect of the new recorders a moot point for cable box people.

 

I was thinking low-def recording for that Wal-Mart crowd (yes, they still exist.) There's a certain percentage of people out there who just want to stop buying VCRs when their conk out but cannot fathom paying a few bucks a month for TIVO or another cable upgrade. Those people have been looking for that option of a crappy DVR that records the bare minimum without a fee or a PC in North America since Panasonic and Polaroid left the market. 

 

This still isn't that, though. This in one way is meant to serve even the baser of needs (no cable box, just over-the-air, but hey, lookie there, they're broadcasting HD over the air now, might as well...) but on the other end it's not going to work with a box and you can't record family home movies to it.

 

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"Each unit features wireless connectivity and HDMI input. Consumers can increase storage by using an external hard drive that connects via USB to the console."

 

Perhaps a typo?

 

Has to be. There's stuff out there you can record over HDMI, but it's so picky and iffy I can't imagine Funai even considering including it. And you couldn't use it for gameplay recording because it'd be very unlikely to not lag. (Also, gameplay recording just for your own home use is silly, and it'd be a strange feature to add a Youtube Upload app even if it does have online capabilities.)

 

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So here is the relevant information from the above link:

No cable tuner
Single ATSC tuner
No guide
Manual VCR-style programming

This does not compare well with the other units in VideoBruce's list at that pricepoint. It offers little more than the iView/HomeWorx at sub-$100.
 

It comes with the hard drive (which doesn't justify the $200 price difference of course) and it'll double as a Roku for media streaming services, but yes, there's little left here at this price point to get too excited about.

 

If they had slapped a DVD drive in there to offload recordings (although I guess if it allows external USB drives that does the same job... still wish it was there) then it would make more sense as a consumer product for the casual, mass-market audience this is going for. As if, even they are not getting their money's worth until it drops down to $199, and that's just for those who just want to get the old job done hassle-free, those who actually want some features will have to continue looking elsewhere.

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