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post #121 of 559
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One Member got the first Philips 5710 and PM'd me his preliminary info.

See Post #2, where I pasted his info

There's no S-video input on these? I can't tell from the rear image if the image is of the entire back.

(Anyone), please let us know when there is a searchable PDF manual available.

Will you be adding these new units to the DVR comparison page/post?

Also (anyone) please keep us posted on the accuracy of these statements:
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Things we think we know so far on 5710/5750:
  • For antenna or clear-QAM cable.

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got my unit.

manual indicates:

can record from antenna or cable.

can not record analog from cable

specification im back on manual contradict rest of manu[al?]

Specs say:

TV system ATSC/NTSC MTV standard

Channel coverage terrestrial: VHF 2-13, UHF 14-69 (Analog/Digital)

cable 1-135 (Analog/Digital)

........do you know of the clear qam channels for charter cable for my zip code 54968 that i could test at a place that has basic cable??

Thanks. wink.gif
post #122 of 559
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If you have a unit in hand, then you are the only authority posting.
Why don't you post answers to some of these questions and end the speculation.
What does the thing do for recording titles? What is the default title name when scheduled? Can you edit a title name?
How does it set and maintain the clock?

I do not want to post false info. Still finding time to do testing. Preliminary findings is that one can not edit titles.
One touch recordings defaults to name of show. example i recorded by one touch the Katie Couric show for a few seconds. It saved the title as "Katie". Could not so far find a way to edit it.
I think a timer shows title will defaut to the date time and channel recorded. That is a guess so far.
Will do more testing Friday.
post #123 of 559
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If you have a unit in hand, then you are the only authority posting.
Why don't you post answers to some of these questions and end the speculation.
What does the thing do for recording titles? What is the default title name when scheduled? Can you edit a title name?
How does it set and maintain the clock?

I do not want to post false info. Still finding time to do testing. Preliminary findings is that one can not edit titles.
One touch recordings defaults to name of show. example i recorded by one touch the Katie Couric show for a few seconds. It saved the title as "Katie". Could not so far find a way to edit it.
I think a timer shows title will defaut to the date time and channel recorded. That is a guess so far.
Will do more testing Friday.
Can you answer anything I mentioned in post 121 above? That's ridiculous not being able to give a recording a name. Everything I record (on a 2160A) just shows the channel and time, and I have to go to "Edit" to name it so I'll know what it is.
post #124 of 559
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

If you have a unit in hand, then you are the only authority posting.
Why don't you post answers to some of these questions and end the speculation.
What does the thing do for recording titles? What is the default title name when scheduled? Can you edit a title name?
How does it set and maintain the clock?

I do not want to post false info. Still finding time to do testing. Preliminary findings is that one can not edit titles.
One touch recordings defaults to name of show. example i recorded by one touch the Katie Couric show for a few seconds. It saved the title as "Katie". Could not so far find a way to edit it.
I think a timer shows title will defaut to the date time and channel recorded. That is a guess so far.
Will do more testing Friday.
Can you answer anything I mentioned in post 121 above? That's ridiculous not being able to give a recording a name. Everything I record (on a 2160A) just shows the channel and time, and I have to go to "Edit" to name it so I'll know what it is.

 

He already says it picks up the show name from an OTA broadcast (mwg is OTA). Not sure yet what it does on cable.

 

There is no S-Video.

 

Check Post #1 regularly where I'm adding info as it's discovered or otherwise revealed. Also Post #2 for mwg's detailed findings, some of which I incorporate in Post #1 for people who come here from outside sites.

 

There's been a "SuperFW 727V" FW update available for years now that makes a 2160A operate like a 515, with pre-titling of timers so each recorded instance of shows get a title name at top of Title menu when you highlight the index pic.

post #125 of 559
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He already says it picks up the show name from an OTA broadcast (mwg is OTA). Not sure yet what it does on cable.
Right, I use cable.

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There is no S-Video.
Well that really sucks. That's a step backwards from the previous units.
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There's been a "SuperFW 727V" FW update available for years now that makes a 2160A operate like a 515, with pre-titling of timers so each recorded instance of shows get a title name at top of Title menu when you highlight the index pic.
confused.gif I already have that version installed. Evidently it only does this for OTA, it won't even add the show name for cable DTV recordings. This usually isn't a problem since I rarely save recordings, but when I occasionally do, they have to be "Edited" in order to give it the name.
post #126 of 559
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One touch recordings defaults to name of show. example i recorded by one touch the Katie Couric show for a few seconds. It saved the title as "Katie". Could not so far find a way to edit it.

If it picks up the program name from PSIP that would be all I want. I would only want to edit the title if it only showed the date and time like the 3575/6-2160 did.
post #127 of 559
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Can you answer anything I mentioned in post 121 above? That's ridiculous not being able to give a recording a name. Everything I record (on a 2160A) just shows the channel and time, and I have to go to "Edit" to name it so I'll know what it is.

Did a test for just you, found you CAN edit title names after they are recorded either way. Also you can protect them. This is 100% positive fact.
Do not know where it get clock setting from besides me entering in the time on initial setup.
post #128 of 559
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Can you answer anything I mentioned in post 121 above? That's ridiculous not being able to give a recording a name. Everything I record (on a 2160A) just shows the channel and time, and I have to go to "Edit" to name it so I'll know what it is.

Did a test for just you, found you CAN edit title names after they are recorded either way. Also you can protect them. This is 100% positive fact.
Do not know where it get clock setting from besides me entering in the time on initial setup.

 

Manual mentions Auto Clock, but only in ref. to "If you have Auto Clock On" (or Off), ....

 

Manual also mentions an "On-Screen Keyboard" for one menu, so it's possible other menus have keyboard for stuff.

post #129 of 559
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I already have that version installed. Evidently it only does this for OTA, it won't even add the show name for cable DTV recordings. This usually isn't a problem since I rarely save recordings, but when I occasionally do, they have to be "Edited" in order to give it the name.

The super firmware doesn't automatically add the program name, you have to manually edit the title to do that OTA or cable.
post #130 of 559
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There's been a "SuperFW 727V" FW update available for years now that makes a 2160A operate like a 515, with pre-titling of timers so each recorded instance of shows get a title name at top of Title menu when you highlight the index pic.
confused.gif I already have that version installed. Evidently it only does this for OTA, it won't even add the show name for cable DTV recordings. This usually isn't a problem since I rarely save recordings, but when I occasionally do, they have to be "Edited" in order to give it the name.

 

Well then, you've been wasting your time adding titles after the fact on timer recordings. You pre-title in the timer menu by entering a timer program, then re-entering and selecting the 3rd option "Edit Title Name," as described in this help file.

 

You can also add a title name on timers already set up, as described in the help file.

post #131 of 559
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Can you answer anything I mentioned in post 121 above? That's ridiculous not being able to give a recording a name. Everything I record (on a 2160A) just shows the channel and time, and I have to go to "Edit" to name it so I'll know what it is.

Did a test for just you, found you CAN edit title names after they are recorded either way. Also you can protect them. This is 100% positive fact.
Do not know where it get clock setting from besides me entering in the time on initial setup.
Thanks for the info. wink.gif
post #132 of 559
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There's been a "SuperFW 727V" FW update available for years now that makes a 2160A operate like a 515, with pre-titling of timers so each recorded instance of shows get a title name at top of Title menu when you highlight the index pic.
confused.gif I already have that version installed. Evidently it only does this for OTA, it won't even add the show name for cable DTV recordings. This usually isn't a problem since I rarely save recordings, but when I occasionally do, they have to be "Edited" in order to give it the name.

Well then, you've been wasting your time adding titles after the fact on timer recordings. You pre-title in the timer menu by entering a timer program, then re-entering and selecting the 3rd option "Edit Title Name," as described in this help file.

You can also add a title name on timers already set up, as described in the help file.
It's not wasting time because you still have to manually "punch-in" a name, but that's good to know it can be done pre-recording. I can't believe I never noticed that before! Wow. tongue.gif Thanks.
post #133 of 559
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Thanks for the info. wink.gif

Here is a pic of menu to change titles. The title names in the center where automatically entered (not by me). I have OTA in WI.

post #134 of 559
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It's not wasting time because you still have to manually "punch-in" a name, but that's good to know it can be done pre-recording. I can't believe I never noticed that before! Wow. tongue.gif Thanks.

 

Wasting time titling every recorded instance of a show, rather than one time in timer program.

post #135 of 559
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It's not wasting time because you still have to manually "punch-in" a name, but that's good to know it can be done pre-recording. I can't believe I never noticed that before! Wow. tongue.gif Thanks.

Wasting time titling every recorded instance of a show, rather than one time in timer program.
I don't follow you there. Are you saying it will remember you naming that recording so you won't have to ever do it again the following times?

I think I may see what you're saying: If it's a consistent program and time, and if you just leave the timed recording there all the time. ? But that's rarely ever the case. Every program I record; the networks insist on jacking up the season with BS reruns so each time I have to check to see if it's new (or if it's even airing).
post #136 of 559
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It's not wasting time because you still have to manually "punch-in" a name, but that's good to know it can be done pre-recording. I can't believe I never noticed that before! Wow. tongue.gif Thanks.

Wasting time titling every recorded instance of a show, rather than one time in timer program.
I don't follow you there. Are you saying it will remember you naming that recording so you won't have to ever do it again the following times?

I think I may see what you're saying: If it's a consistent program and time, and if you just leave the timed recording there all the time. ? But that's rarely ever the case. Every program I record; the networks insist on jacking up the season with BS reruns so each time I have to check to see if it's new (or if it's even airing).

 

Yes, as long as you're setting timers, you expect those shows to repeat so auto-titling seems like a no-brainer. Even a one-time show timer-recorded can have an auto name unless that show isn't "worth the trouble". i.e., you prob. wouldn't name a one-time show anyway, either before or after recording?

post #137 of 559
mwg1;
You have a PM.
How far are you from Madison? Have you found your physical, 'in the clear' CATV channels yet? If not have to tried the local reception thread for you market?

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There is no S-Video.
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Well that really sucks. That's a step backwards from the previous units.
That is no surprise. Unfortunately, there isn't a need for that anymore with equipment manufactured in the past 5 or so years. Look at component. That's much more recent and those inputs/outputs are pretty much gone. Thank the CEA and HDMI for that. mad.gif

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Edited by videobruce - 11/28/13 at 7:44am
post #138 of 559
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Yes, as long as you're setting timers, you expect those shows to repeat so auto-titling seems like a no-brainer. Even a one-time show timer-recorded can have an auto name unless that show isn't "worth the trouble". i.e., you prob. wouldn't name a one-time show anyway, either before or after recording?
Right, like I mentioned, I never bother naming them unless I'm going to keep them for a while. For one example (in both cases), I've been saving "Marvel's Agents of SHIELD" so I have to manually name them, but, once again they are skipping a frickin' week so that's another show where you can't leave it set. I haven't looked into "Skip" yet, but I'm assuming once you find out a network is screwing fans again, you can check "Skip" and it will not record. Then when you find out it's back, set it back again.
post #139 of 559
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:D

 

mwg1 is supplying pics (Attachments) that I'm converting to AVS format in-post images.

 

I've added quite a few lately. I'm not titling each one since I think they're self-explanatory (at this early stage, at least).

 

Check them out in Post #2 here.

 

Keep checking Post #1 and #2 where I'm trying to assimilate the most important info for ease of ref.

 

:D 

post #140 of 559

I give credit to Funai for having a manual clock setting, something many other DVR manufactures have omitted and has led to their demise.

post #141 of 559
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I give credit to Funai for having a manual clock setting, something many other DVR manufactures have omitted and has led to their demise.

It's also nice that firmware updates are via the internet. Time via PSIP is not always reliable, so I've heard. Cable with no PSIP could be an issue for some people. Access to some web sites is easier with a USB keyboard. No mention of time via NTP was made in the manual.

post #142 of 559
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I give credit to Funai for having a manual clock setting, something many other DVR manufactures have omitted and has led to their demise.

Yes, this is a major feature missing from several current models, but it's too bad that the price on these is so much higher just to get one feature that is so basic it's inexcusable for it to be missing on even the cheapest DVR.
post #143 of 559
I connected my old CECB box a couple of weeks ago and the PSIP time was the worst I have ever seen it. It seemed to be at random from several hours slow to many hours in the future. Even the minutes were no where near correct. It reminded me of old alarm clocks that started at 12:00 when plugged in and proceed from that point. If this unit gets title information from PSIP, I wonder if the manual clock set overrides the PSIP time on the guide. When the clock is so completely incorrect that makes the guide useless anyway. The CECB box was showing "current show" as what would be on in the evening or was on several hours ago.
post #144 of 559
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I connected my old CECB box a couple of weeks ago and the PSIP time was the worst I have ever seen it. It seemed to be at random from several hours slow to many hours in the future. Even the minutes were no where near correct. It reminded me of old alarm clocks that started at 12:00 when plugged in and proceed from that point. If this unit gets title information from PSIP, I wonder if the manual clock set overrides the PSIP time on the guide. When the clock is so completely incorrect that makes the guide useless anyway. The CECB box was showing "current show" as what would be on in the evening or was on several hours ago.

 

These have an Auto Clock ON and OFF setting, so OFF should be running with a manual clock.

post #145 of 559
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I connected my old CECB box a couple of weeks ago and the PSIP time was the worst I have ever seen it. It seemed to be at random from several hours slow to many hours in the future. Even the minutes were no where near correct. It reminded me of old alarm clocks that started at 12:00 when plugged in and proceed from that point. If this unit gets title information from PSIP, I wonder if the manual clock set overrides the PSIP time on the guide. When the clock is so completely incorrect that makes the guide useless anyway. The CECB box was showing "current show" as what would be on in the evening or was on several hours ago.
Devices that set their clock via PSIP generally "refresh" the time every time you change the channel. For whatever reason, many stations don't particularly care about the accuracy of their PSIP clock so if you live in a very bad market, you can see the time jump around as you surf the channels. Obviously a DVR with a bad clock is pretty much useless.

Another problem comes from the design of the devices. A device that is designed to have it's clock time refreshed from an external source on a regular basis will not be designed with a robust clock circuit that will maintain an accurate time over a "long" period of several days. You may have seen posts in the other thread about people soldering trimming capacitors on the motherboard to tune the clock circuit and minimize the amount of time that is lost. What remains to be seen is whether or not this unit can utilize an Internet time signal. There is no excuse for an Internet connected device to not have a dependably accurate clock, especially something like a DVR whose function depends on a continuously accurate clock.
post #146 of 559
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:D

 

First user has supplied more info... see bottom of Post #2:

 

Cable channel scan got both analog and digital channels.

Linux saw the HDD but not his two recorded titles.... more research to come.

 

* * * * * * *

Linux Users:

 

Please check out the "License" pic in Post #2, just above the latest two info on channel scan and Linux, and see if that gives a clue on what Linux or open-source components might be needed to read the files on the HDD... I'm hoping that 1st line provides a big part of the OS elements!?

 

 

:D 


Edited by wajo - 11/29/13 at 10:51am
post #147 of 559
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Cable channel scan got both analog and digital channels.

 

Can we assume the tuner scans analog and digital channels one after another, eg channel 2, then 2.1, 2.2, then 3, etc.(like most TVs) as apposed to the hybrid tuner on the Magnavox DVDRs where all the digital and all the analogs are scanned separately?

post #148 of 559
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Cable channel scan got both analog and digital channels.

 

Can we assume the tuner scans analog and digital channels one after another, eg channel 2, then 2.1, 2.2, then 3, etc.(like most TVs) as apposed to the hybrid tuner on the Magnavox DVDRs where all the digital and all the analogs are scanned separately?


Yes, it tunes in numerical sequence... no "switch" required.

 

I'm going yo add that to Post #2.

post #149 of 559
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Can we assume the tuner scans analog and digital channels one after another, eg channel 2, then 2.1, 2.2, then 3, etc.(like most TVs) as apposed to the hybrid tuner on the Magnavox DVDRs where all the digital and all the analogs are scanned separately?

They were one after the other (ex 2, then 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3 ....etc ). No switching between analog/digital needed.
post #150 of 559
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They were one after the other (ex 2, then 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3 ....etc ). No switching between analog/digital needed.
Have you actually recorded an analog channel yet?
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