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post #211 of 554
Philips HDR 5710 arrived at
6:30 pm est 12-4-2013



I think it picked up 61 channels.
I need to edit the channels.

It did read the Western Digital 2 TB
fairly quickly.I will just average the time by hours.

HDD
54 Hr in HD
225 Hr in SD

USB WD
218 Hr.in HD
901 Hr in SD

I keep trying to get it to pick up my AT&T WiFi !!

Mark
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post #212 of 554
Was your source OTA or cable.
post #213 of 554
Sorry Kelson


OTA
Channel Master
8 Bay
32 Element !!!

Mark
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post #214 of 554
I'm starting to think this is going to go back. Maybe I'm spoiled having DTVPals in my home, but these DVRs all seem to come up short.
post #215 of 554
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

I've been feeling "yucky" about this machine because there's no way to offload recordings and store them on media. (No, external hard drives don't count, especially when what's on them can't be read by a computer and put to use.)

Now that I hear you can't do "pause live TV", this machine is looking less and less like a replacement for the Maggie (and Phillips) DVR/DVDrecorder machines we're more familiar with.

It's all speculation.  Nobody has really tried to manipulate recordings from this device yet.  At worst, there is a composite video jack.  Might be able to plug that into our old Mags to archive recordings in SD.  Why pass judgement before the facts are in?  That's why I just hauled off and ordered a recorder from Amazon.  If it's junk, it goes back.  But I'll bet these little issues will be accomodated once we see what the product really does,and once feedback from some real technical experts is established.

Besides, for me, anyway, with the explosion of online, on demand, and OTA content, I've stopped hoarding physical media.

post #216 of 554
The HD tuner on my 5710 looks really good on my.
42"LG 6200

I'm still having trouble getting it to read my network .I write everything in a notebook.
Sony 3100 BD player reads it.
Smart tv reads it.
post #217 of 554
Problem solved

However...
I have Marvels Avengers on
Really looks good (Netflix)

Philips Manual
chapter 4
pg.19

notes- this unit CANNOT store the content
streamed from the VOD services.

So recording from Netflix is out the window.

So my 2.5 TB is going to last a long long time.

The only deal breaker is several of the channels are Black-Blocked down both sides.
Can't override it.
My LG HDTV can't over ride the Blu-Rays that are like that either!!

This has been a FUN night though.
Does the 5710 best my MDR 535 ??



Not really. This is a shot from
Star Trek Episode "The Alternative Factor" Season 1
Recorded from my 535.

Pictured Lazarus

Of course Testing will continue..............
Mark
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Edited by MarkB49 - 12/4/13 at 7:06pm
post #218 of 554
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

I'm starting to think this is going to go back. Maybe I'm spoiled having DTVPals in my home, but these DVRs all seem to come up short.
If you are used to having DTV Pals, then wait for the release of the CM-7500 in Q1 2014. The firmware is in final beta and close to release. How do you think Fred and Wilma will be able to handle a PalDVR?
post #219 of 554
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

So recording from Netflix is out the window.

That's what Fraps is for.
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

The only deal breaker is several of the channels are Black-Blocked down both sides.
Can't override it.
My LG HDTV can't over ride the Blu-Rays that are like that either!!

You like watching cropped or distorted images in order to force them to fit your screen? redface.gif
post #220 of 554
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

notes- this unit CANNOT store the content
streamed from the VOD services.

So recording from Netflix is out the window.

So my 2.5 TB is going to last a long long time.
 

How are you feeding your VOD content into the recorder?

I see no inputs other than OTA.  Am I missing something?

Are you feeding the recorder a VOD signal which is riding atop an RF carrier, and into the antenna jack? Confirmed?

(I won't ask why anyone would even want to record video if it can be retreived/restarted anytime.)

post #221 of 554
Look
My LG HDTV is faily new16:9 fills the screen on 80% of the channels

Block Boxing down the sides or top and bottom of the viewing screen
is bad viewing and bad for ALL panels.
Read your owners manuals. Insignia LCD,SAMSUNG LED- LG Smart 3D LED
All of them say in that.

LG
Owner's Manual
Page 5
Heading

Preventing Image Burn or burn in on your TV.

"If an image displays on the TV screen for a long period of time, it will
be imprinted and become a permanent disfigurement on the screen.
This is image burn or burn in and not covered by the warranty.

If the aspect ratio of the TV is set to 4:3 for a long period of time,
image burn may occur on the letterboxed area of the screen."

Every HDTV I've bought in the last several years say the same thing!!
post #222 of 554
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Originally Posted by Technopundit View Post

How are you feeding your VOD content into the recorder?
I see no inputs other than OTA.  Am I missing something?
Are you feeding the recorder a VOD signal which is riding atop an RF carrier, and into the antenna jack? Confirmed?
(I won't ask why anyone would even want to record video if it can be retreived/restarted anytime.)

That is from the Philips HDR 5710 owners manual
pg 16 chapter 4 Recording.

Streamed............WIFI. Video on Demand

Netflix

I have Sony 3100 Smart Blu ray player
LG Smart HDTV

Philips HDR 5710 has VUDU YouTube and Netflix
Edited by MarkB49 - 12/4/13 at 7:02pm
post #223 of 554
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

If you are used to having DTV Pals, then wait for the release of the CM-7500 in Q1 2014. The firmware is in final beta and close to release. How do you think Fred and Wilma will be able to handle a PalDVR?
My wife, wilma's blond daughter has no problems with the DTVPal. Except for the PSIP guide, we love these.
post #224 of 554
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

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Believe it or not:

5710 for $239.99 @ Nebraska Furniture Mart

(I know nothing about them.)

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They're owned by Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway Company, so they should be a reliable source.
post #225 of 554
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

If the aspect ratio of the TV is set to 4:3 for a long period of time, image burn may occur on the letterboxed area of the screen.

That's more of a disclaimer than an actual concern. The days of image burn and screensavers largely died along with CRTs (and perhaps early plasmas), although the whole notion of image burn was mostly related to having static images displayed for days at a time on unattended monitors in server rooms, not on in-use displays.
post #226 of 554
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

That's more of a disclaimer than an actual concern. The days of image burn and screensavers largely died along with CRTs (and perhaps early plasmas), although the whole notion of image burn was mostly related to having static images displayed for days at a time on unattended monitors in server rooms, not on in-use displays.

I can't imagine actually watching stretched video so I don't get "image burn" on a LED or LCD TV. My issue with my Vizio TVs is that there is no setting that will display all the channels in the correct (as broadcast) aspect ratio. You have to watch 480i widescreen 16:9 channels in "Widescreen" for them to look right, and 480i 4:3 channels in "Normal" for them to look correct. Of course there is Gray's "MyKKTV" which broadcasts 480i widescreen but they show 4:3 and letterbox content in the middle of the screen. My Dynex TV and the iView 3500STB both have settings that display the material correctly for all channels. Right now I have 3 480i widescreen channels, and I see it becoming more widespread in the future, especially after the "incentive auction." Having to switch back and forth, especially without a dedicated button on the remote, is a pain.
post #227 of 554
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

That's what Fraps is for.
You like watching cropped or distorted images in order to force them to fit your screen? redface.gif

No do YOU !!!!!!!

You started this stuff yesterday.You want DrDon to stop it or can you on you own?

I thought we were talking about the Philips HDR 5750 or 5710
post #228 of 554
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

No do YOU !!!!!!!

You started this stuff yesterday.You want DrDon to stop it or can you on you own?

I thought we were talking about the Philips HDR 5750 or 5710

It would behoove you to have slightly thicker skin. Aleron Ives was simply wondering why you would want to distort the picture to fill the screen. Don't take offense where offense wasn't intended.
post #229 of 554
Crappity, Crappity, crap, crap


I missed it by one day. I just ordered a 5750 from Amazon for $299.99. 5710 was 249.99. I am going to cancel my order and wait for the dust to settle.

Done: order canceled!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

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While Amazon still shows "Temporarily out of stock," they've reduced their prices:

5710 for $209.34.

5750 for $252.30.

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Edited by Dizzie2 - 12/5/13 at 10:30am
post #230 of 554
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Originally Posted by Dizzie2 View Post

Crappity, Crappity, crap, crap


I missed it by one day. I just ordered a 5750 from Amazon for $299.99. 5710 was 249.99. I am going to cancel my order and wait for the dust to settle.

Done: order canceled!!!!!!

I sent my 5710 back today.
Out of 20 channels 15 were 4:3

In contrast
My LG HDTV Out of 20 Channels 19 were 16:9
1 was 4:3
That was the 5.2 FOX channel
MOVIES!

The 5710 did scan 61 OTA Channels.
LIMITED WiFi
The Tuner didn't quite look HD.

Since everybody talks about any and everything

Bell Performance-Ethanol Defense
2 tanks 18.5 gallon tank 3 ounces.It works (2 ounces 1st tank--1 ounce 2nd tank)

H202 Therapy 20 years as of 2-20-2014
post #231 of 554
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

That was the 5.2 FOX channel
MOVIES!

 

If the channel is WAGA, 5.2 Fox movies is transmitted 4:3.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAGA-TV

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

post #232 of 554
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If the channel is WAGA, 5.2 Fox movies is transmitted 4:3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAGA-TV

Don't shoot the messenger.

LOL
Full frame on some Bars Everywhere on most referring to 5.2 MOVIES!

MOM's Samsung has a picture size button. The newer TV's seem to do a better job.
Screen fit looks good.

I guess I could hook up the ole KLH 2003 DVD player.
ZOOM ZOOM.
Talk about bending the picture.

The newer HDTV's don't do it like that.
post #233 of 554

I'm confused.

 

All my recorders and the TV receive what I thought was the aspect ratio being transmitted.  Aspect ratio changes on various sub-channels, and even during commercials occur all the time.  I keep punching that remote button to fill as much screen as I can without distortion during the main program.  No big deal.

 

Am I to expect the new Fun/Mag/Phil is going to try to second-guess picture formats on me?  I would hate that!  Of course, if it was accomplished with consistent accuracy, I would accept it. (And why is that seemingly not possible?)

 

And display burn-in isn't an issue.  The manufacturers tuned that out of displays for consumer applications years ago.

 

BTW, my older SD Magnavox machine records from the composite output of my Roku 2 no problem.  Thing is, recording on-demand content is rarely desired.


Edited by Technopundit - 12/5/13 at 1:22pm
post #234 of 554
It's been a long year.
Mom took sick 8-13-13 the day my LG got here.

42 days at DeKalb Medical and Manor care.21 at each place.
Worked on Walkers--Toilet Chairs-Shower Chairs.

I have severe allergies.The H202 mentioned above helps a lot.
I have 2 12 gauge electrical lines under the house I pulled through 36 holes never made it to my room in march.
Mom's room I got done on sept.20 before she came home. Put a 4 banger just behind her hospital bed.
She has her own Duraflame 6 Quartz copper core heater in there. That's why I have the 20 amp
line in there. The bed is powered too.Along with a HD Radio.

I'm just tired.

120 bucks in parking at dekalb. med.
65 separate trips--back n forth to both places 1 mile away.
Air cleaners here at home.I did wear my 3M Respirator at DeKalb but not at manor care.
post #235 of 554
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Originally Posted by Technopundit View Post

I'm confused.

All my recorders and the TV receive what I thought was the aspect ratio being transmitted.  Aspect ratio changes on various sub-channels, and even during commercials occur all the time.  I keep punching that remote button to fill as much screen as I can without distortion during the main program.  No big deal.

Am I to expect the new Fun/Mag/Phil is going to try to second-guess picture formats on me?  I would hate that!  Of course, if it was accomplished with consistent accuracy, I would accept it. (And why is that seemingly not possible?)

And display burn-in isn't an issue.  The manufacturers tuned that out of displays for consumer applications years ago.

BTW, my older SD Magnavox machine records from the composite output of my Roku 2 no problem.  Thing is, recording on-demand content is rarely desired.

Look
My mom's Samsung is the darkest picture.Half the time she's whatching Andy Griffith black bars.
No problem.The tv is a year old the panel is fine.Break in was the big thing and still is for plasma's..
My LG is Bright in comparison
Her TV looks good on everything 1080 looks great.
Last Saturday 11-30-13 the ACC Football game on Ch.69 @ 12 pm
Was 1080.
My LG Did look better than the Samsung.
post #236 of 554
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Originally Posted by Technopundit View Post
 

I'm confused.

 

All my recorders and the TV receive what I thought was the aspect ratio being transmitted.  Aspect ratio changes on various sub-channels, and even during commercials occur all the time.  I keep punching that remote button to fill as much screen as I can without distortion during the main program.  No big deal.

 

Am I to expect the new Fun/Mag/Phil is going to try to second-guess picture formats on me?  I would hate that!  Of course, if it was accomplished with consistent accuracy, I would accept it. (And why is that seemingly not possible?)

 

 

Not exactly. The only guesses I see on this thread are from those without a unit (like me). Much has been documented on the Magnavox forum by wajo. The last generation would observe the WS bit if it was there. I always set everything to reality (16:9) for my TV, but may get letterbox, barndoors and postage stamp displays frequently. Most cable feeds just pass through what they receive if you pay for it. OTA is what it is.

I never use the button on my remote that will change aspect ratio. It will show in a little window what I am doing in real time before I commit to it. My set is only 32" and I have a small viewing area. Letterbox doesn't bother me when my 515H sends 480i out on the 1080p fixed HDMI line even though I recorded 16:9. It's just the result of the HD-SD-HD conversions. This new box, being HD, should behave just like my TV. Except for the locals, my clear QAM is 480i. The locals are 1080i/720p.

post #237 of 554
I've used a Sony Bravia that was incapable of adjusting aspect ratios on its own, and the best part was that it wouldn't even let you adjust the aspect ratio when the image was HD, so the only way to view 4:3 content correctly was to use 480p over component to prevent it from disabling the remote's AR button. Thankfully, my LG TV has no such problems.
post #238 of 554
Can anyone who has one working please comment on the internet apps? Anything appreciated.

Thx

Mime
post #239 of 554
I don't see any provision for editing an individual title, e.g., for commercials. Is that correct?
post #240 of 554
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I've been feeling "yucky" about this machine because there's no way to offload recordings and store them on media. (No, external hard drives don't count, especially when what's on them can't be read by a computer and put to use.)


Now that I hear you can't do "pause live TV", this machine is looking less and less like a replacement for the Maggie (and Phillips) DVR/DVDrecorder machines we're more familiar with.
It's all speculation.  Nobody has really tried to manipulate recordings from this device yet.  At worst, there is a composite video jack.  Might be able to plug that into our old Mags to archive recordings in SD.  Why pass judgement before the facts are in?  That's why I just hauled off and ordered a recorder from Amazon.  If it's junk, it goes back.  But I'll bet these little issues will be accomodated once we see what the product really does,and once feedback from some real technical experts is established.
Besides, for me, anyway, with the explosion of online, on demand, and OTA content, I've stopped hoarding physical media.

The problem with not having the recordings in a form where you can keep them on a shelf is that you're putting all your eggs in one basket. The hard drive fails, and you lose EVERYTHING. You're also limited in how much can be stored on the drive. I'm still inclined to think "on the shelf" is the better method.

As for off-loading to another device, real time is equally yukky (tho' I'll admit I do real time burning on stuff I've removed the commercials from...still can't get the editing right where there aren't "lumps" in a high speed dubbed DVD). Besides, unless they're going to keep making the ones with DVD burners alongside these new ones, a DVD recorder's going to be hard to come by in a few years.

I may likely never having one of the new ones anyway. I don't have good enough reception to depend only on OTA. I need cable of some sort, and these things have no A/V inputs to get a feed from a cable box. Grrrrr....

WHY is Funai afraid of the American TV and Movie industry? They're not afraid of them in Japan and other places!
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