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post #391 of 554
Right, that makes sense.

So apparently, any newer DVR's will not have the same capabilities as the older Magnavox DVR's (older than the Magnavox TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 ), so then, what is it that comes out of the 75ohm TV out of the Magnavox TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 ?
post #392 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post

Strange, in my area, we have no analog channels via cable, none OTA either. So, I gather that what you mean is that the cable box outputs analog through it's (Out to TV) 75ohm connector?


Yes the modulated channel 3 or 4 output of a STB will be analog and SD quality. Since if this is the way you intended to record and it's SD anyway then something like a SD Magnavox DVDR would do just as good as a HD DVR that could tune and record SD channels(not the DVR this thread is about but rather one that could record analog).

post #393 of 554
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so then, what is it that comes out of the 75ohm TV out of the Magnavox TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 ?
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The purpose of having RF out on a cable box DVR is to convert the digital channels to NTSC so that a TV with no composite/S-Video/component/HDMI connectors can still use it.

The RF out is always used for the same purpose, regardless of the device.
post #394 of 554
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Yes the modulated channel 3 or 4 output of a STB will be analog and SD quality.

and the audio will most likely be mono...
post #395 of 554
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Yes the modulated channel 3 or 4 output of a STB will be analog and SD quality.

and the audio will most likely be mono...


Very true.

post #396 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post

Right, that makes sense.

So apparently, any newer DVR's will not have the same capabilities as the older Magnavox DVR's (older than the Magnavox TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 ), so then, what is it that comes out of the 75ohm TV out of the Magnavox TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 ?

What capability is missing that was on the "older" SD Magnavox units?

 

What comes out the rf connector of any Magnavox is the same as what goes in the other rf connector, give or take a few db.

post #397 of 554
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

What capability is missing that was on the "older" SD Magnavox units?

What comes out the rf connector of any Magnavox is the same as what goes in the other rf connector, give or take a few db.

My Bad, I got it wrong, I had meant to say what was coming out of the 75 ohm RF of the cable box not the DVR but either way it will be analog SD.

So this means that the 75 ohm TV out of either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 will be analog SD and no different than the older Magnavox DVR's .

Therefore, if I plug the TV out from my cable box into either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and take the HDMI out from either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and plug it into an HDMI port on my Vizio 47" it will be up-scaled to 1080p (I think that's what I had read) correct?

My Vizio can take 1080p

One last thing, I would prefer to record from either the RGB Composite or HDMI from my cable box, but that's not going to happen any time soon from what I've seen; or is there something out there that can take in either HDMI or Composite RGB to record from (without using a card and a PC)?
post #398 of 554
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

What capability is missing that was on the "older" SD Magnavox units?

What comes out the rf connector of any Magnavox is the same as what goes in the other rf connector, give or take a few db.

My Bad, I got it wrong, I had meant to say what was coming out of the 75 ohm RF of the cable box not the DVR but either way it will be analog SD.

So this means that the 75 ohm TV out of either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 will be analog SD and no different than the older Magnavox DVR's .

Therefore, if I plug the TV out from my cable box into either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and take the HDMI out from either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and plug it into an HDMI port on my Vizio 47" it will be up-scaled to 1080p (I think that's what I had read) correct?

My Vizio can take 1080p

One last thing, I would prefer to record from either the RGB Composite or HDMI from my cable box, but that's not going to happen any time soon from what I've seen; or is there something out there that can take in either HDMI or Composite RGB to record from (without using a card and a PC)?

 

A raw RF signal from an antenna going in the Philips coax input goes out the coax output in whatever form it went in... it's an UNMODULATED raw signal. Audio is also raw as-delivered thru the coax input.

 

If that input signal goes thru a cable box first that MODULATES the signal for display on ch. 3/4, that changes things... whatever a cable box does to that modulated signal is what will be output on the Philips coax out.

post #399 of 554
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A raw RF signal from an antenna going in the Philips coax input goes out the coax output in whatever form it went in... it's an UNMODULATED raw signal. Audio is also raw as-delivered thru the coax input.

If that input signal goes thru a cable box first that MODULATES the signal for display on ch. 3/4, that changes things... whatever a cable box does to that modulated signal is what will be output on the Philips coax out.


No argument there, but as I've read, these two units will up-scale it's input (and they only take input from their TV-in 75 ohm connectors) to 1080p so therefore, the input it receives from my cable box or antenna will be up-scaled if I choose to connect it to my TV via it's HDMI out !
post #400 of 554
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A raw RF signal from an antenna going in the Philips coax input goes out the coax output in whatever form it went in... it's an UNMODULATED raw signal. Audio is also raw as-delivered thru the coax input.

If that input signal goes thru a cable box first that MODULATES the signal for display on ch. 3/4, that changes things... whatever a cable box does to that modulated signal is what will be output on the Philips coax out.

No argument there, but as I've read, these two units will up-scale it's input (and they only take input from their TV-in 75 ohm connectors) to 1080p so therefore, the input it receives from my cable box or antenna will be up-scaled if I choose to connect it to my TV via it's HDMI out !

 

It will upscale a modulated RF input but that input might have started as something other than a raw, unmodulated HD signal.

post #401 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post


My Bad, I got it wrong, I had meant to say what was coming out of the 75 ohm RF of the cable box not the DVR but either way it will be analog SD.

So this means that the 75 ohm TV out of either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 will be analog SD and no different than the older Magnavox DVR's .

Therefore, if I plug the TV out from my cable box into either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and take the HDMI out from either the TB745H/F7 or Philips HDR5710/F7 and plug it into an HDMI port on my Vizio 47" it will be up-scaled to 1080p (I think that's what I had read) correct?

My Vizio can take 1080p

One last thing, I would prefer to record from either the RGB Composite or HDMI from my cable box, but that's not going to happen any time soon from what I've seen; or is there something out there that can take in either HDMI or Composite RGB to record from (without using a card and a PC)?


I use analog to mean vsb modulation. Been around since the beginning of television. I use SD to describe digital transmission, usually cable, at 480i. 480p is called ED. For digital OTA, 8vsb modulation is used and for cable, 64QAM modulation is normal but there are exceptions.

 

What comes out of the rf connector of every Magnavox is what you put in (for purposes of this topic). I have the HDMI output feeding my AVR at 1080p. I have used the rf out to feed my TV, but since my only analog signals are test patterns now, I seldom need it. I haven't had a STB with rf output in a long time. I did have an RNG110 with RWY analog which I used to feed my 2160A before I bought my AVR. And then I bought a TiVo.

post #402 of 554
I have a Motorola DCH3200 cable box. I would post a picture of the back of it from the manual, but I'm not sure it would be legal. Among output's it has :

RF Out — Ch 3/4 modulated audio/video (SDTV) to TV or VCR

S-Video — Connects to S-Video (SDTV) input of TV or VCR

YPbPr — Component video output (HDTV)

Video/Audio Out — Composite Video (SDTV) /Audio inputs and outputs

HDMI — High-Definition TV (HDTV) connector

If I could record to a DVR with an HDD from any one of these other than the first two, I would be happy!
post #403 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post

I have a Motorola DCH3200 cable box. I would post a picture of the back of it from the manual, but I'm not sure it would be legal. Among output's it has :

RF Out — Ch 3/4 modulated audio/video (SDTV) to TV or VCR

S-Video — Connects to S-Video (SDTV) input of TV or VCR

YPbPr — Component video output (HDTV)

Video/Audio Out — Composite Video (SDTV) /Audio inputs and outputs

HDMI — High-Definition TV (HDTV) connector

If I could record to a DVR with an HDD from any one of these other than the first two, I would be happy!


Not going to happen, DVRs don't record from line outputs. DVDRs like the Magnavoxes I already mentioned can record from the first two on your list but not component or better, for that you'll need a PC and appropriate card.

post #404 of 554
Well, I'll hold my breath for a little while! LoL

Who knows, if in the future things might change?

I really don't have such a driving need to record anything right now anyway, I'll bide my time!
post #405 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post

I have a Motorola DCH3200 cable box. I would post a picture of the back of it from the manual, but I'm not sure it would be legal. Among output's it has :

RF Out — Ch 3/4 modulated audio/video (SDTV) to TV or VCR

S-Video — Connects to S-Video (SDTV) input of TV or VCR

YPbPr — Component video output (HDTV)

Video/Audio Out — Composite Video (SDTV) /Audio inputs and outputs

HDMI — High-Definition TV (HDTV) connector

If I could record to a DVR with an HDD from any one of these other than the first two, I would be happy!


I agree with jjeff. But is it really printed/documented as you show for number four? Composite is analog and widely used with VCRs for both input and output. I also have an old Toshiba DVDR with 80GB drive that has composite and S-Video inputs and outputs. No HDMI though, and of course no digital tuner.

post #406 of 554
Good catch!

# 4 actually was focusing on a grouping of those outputs.
post #407 of 554
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Originally Posted by Mikeejo View Post

Good catch!

# 4 actually was focusing on a grouping of those outputs.


So if you can tolerate SD, have composite output from your STB, why are you here? You can get a DVDR from Walmart.

 

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/940657

post #408 of 554

So I decided to haul off and plug my 2.5 in 1TB USB drive into the back of the Philips HDR 5710 unit and see how it acts.

Once navigating through the menu structure (which was less than intuitive), the machine prompted me to Register the drive.  It warned me all "programs" on the drive would be deleted, to which I concurred.  It went through a format sequence, which did not take long at all.  Reminded me of a "Quick Format" like Windows would do.

The recorder gave me the opportunity to name the drive.  I used my own name, followed by a "1".  Yes, there is a "space" character available.

I manually recorded a short sequence from ch. 5.  The machine gave the recording the name "IT16D30WT", which contains no real information I can determine. The opportunity to protect (lock) the title is readily apparent.

So there it is.  An external hard drive with one short title onboard.  I then turned off the recorder and unplugged the drive.

On turning the machine back on.  Everything returned to as it was before I began.  No external drive indicated.  So I powered down again, plugged the external drive back in, and turned the recorder back on.  The external drive once again showed up in the menu structure, named as before, and still containing my short recording (locked, as I had chosen).  I declined to re-register the external drive.

So.  Storing 200 titles (programs) on a 1TB drive for long-term storage seems OK to me - unless the recorder dies.  I did not attempt to access the USB drive on a computer.  I'll leave that puzle for the next guy.  However, considering how next-to-impossible it is to keep anything proprietary these days, I am confident the scheme will soon be unraveled.

post #409 of 554
With this new unit can I record a digital tv show on it, then watch it on another tv that is hooked up to the computer network via both an xbox 360 and also/monitor jack on my tv
post #410 of 554
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Originally Posted by PANASONICPZ85U View Post

With this new unit can I record a digital tv show on it, then watch it on another tv that is hooked up to the computer network via both an xbox 360 and also/monitor jack on my tv
No. This unit is an isolated box and cannot share video across a network. To do that you either need a TiVo Roamio + TiVo Mini's -or- a HTPC running Windows Media Center + WMC extenders (Xbox 360 or Ceton Echo's).
post #411 of 554
Picked up my Philips HDR 5750 yesterday from Best Buy. Got it home set it up and record a half hour show. Played back and watched the show that I record early. I thought that the picture should be better than it was so after I finished watching the show I went into setup. Started to check the HDMI settings, bam all of a sudden the screen went scrambled could not see anything. Did a hard reset overnight, same way this morning. So I called Philips customer support, he said that I needed a replacement and he would send one out to me. I said no and that I would take it back to Best Buy and I did and got a refund. I have bad luck with anything with the Philips name on it. I will wait for the Magnavox.
post #412 of 554
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I have bad luck with anything with the Philips name on it. I will wait for the Magnavox.
Are you aware of the Channel Master DVR+ (CM-7500)?
post #413 of 554
I have a Magnavox DVR 2160 and it is awesome no issue of any kind so I thought that Funai had this stuff down pat so that was why I tried it plus I want HD. The DVR+ does not come with anything accept the tuners, and I need a video out as well as HDMI.
post #414 of 554
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I have bad luck with anything with the Philips name on it. I will wait for the Magnavox.
They are both made by Funai.
post #415 of 554
If any of the following could be filled in for the DVR comparison chart it would be appreciated;

Max size of a HDD?
HDD spins down in standby?
Boot time from standby?
Edit channel names and/or numbers?
Remap QAM channels?
Signal strength indicator?
Number of days programming or number of entries?
Protect recording from deletion?
Record indicator or list of upcoming recordings?
Available HDD space shown
Adjustable time buffer if any?
Record & playback CC?
Recordings encrypted?
Multiple room viewing?
Direct PC USB transfer?
Does the HDD spin down when not recording?

Lined out answered questions, added one
Edited by videobruce - 1/6/14 at 3:26am
post #416 of 554
I know that they are both Funai, but for some reason I only have trouble with Philips. Out of four Philips none have worked for me, and the Magnavox always.
For videobruce I would like to answer some of his questions, but since the 5750 was only working for four hours I can not.
post #417 of 554
Jinxed?
post #418 of 554
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If any of the following could be filled in for the DVR comparison chart it would be appreciated;

Max size of a HDD?
HDD spins down in standby?
Boot time from standby?
Edit channel names and/or numbers?
Remap QAM channels?
Signal strength indicator?
Number of days programming or number of entries?
Protect recording from deletion?
Record indicator or list of upcoming recordings?
Available HDD space shown
Adjustable time buffer if any?
Record & playback CC?
Recordings encrypted?
Multiple room viewing?
Direct PC USB transfer?


Max size of a HDD? up to eight 32gb-4TB external hard drives. this equals up to 32tb of external storage
HDD spins down in standby? yes
Edit channel names and/or numbers? yes
Signal strength indicator? no
Protect recording from deletion? yes
Adjustable time buffer if any? not adjustable. •Pseudo-PLTV - No buffer so must use REC instead of PAUSE. see post #180 for explanation
Record & playback CC? yes
Direct PC USB transfer? still testing. need a Linux person to help me find out may be similar as the CM DVR+ but do not know yet

Other questions do not know yet.
Edited by mwg1 - 1/5/14 at 6:24pm
post #419 of 554
Thanks.
What I should of asked was; does the HDD spin down if no recording or playback is taken place?
post #420 of 554

Hooo-Kay!

 

I got here a 1tb usb drive, registered on my Philips, and holding three short files, recorded from CBS, of various lengths - about 90 sec's to five minutes.

 

Installed Ext2Fsd 0.51 on my PC.  Connected the drive.  Aside from identifying the drive as RAW, I see no indication the drive contains files or is being mounted on the Windows PC.

 

I'll keep mucking with it, but I'm not expecting a whole lot.

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