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post #421 of 554
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Hooo-Kay!

 

I got here a 1tb usb drive, registered on my Philips, and holding three short files, recorded from CBS, of various lengths - about 90 sec's to five minutes.

 

Installed Ext2Fsd 0.51 on my PC.  Connected the drive.  Aside from identifying the drive as RAW, I see no indication the drive contains files or is being mounted on the Windows PC.

 

I'll keep mucking with it, but I'm not expecting a whole lot.

 

Windows PC?

 

Did you see these instructions or others like it? Sounds like it takes some special "work" to install and use Ext2Fsd on a Windows machine?

 

 

 

Here's where it goes off the rails:

 

 

  1. Right-click the newly attached drive listing in the window.
  2. Select Change Drive Letter

 

 

"Change drive letter" doesn't appear.  Despite working when plugged into the DVR, it's like the drive isn't formatted at all...

I'll get back to it....

post #422 of 554
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Originally Posted by Technopundit View Post
 

Hooo-Kay!

 

I got here a 1tb usb drive, registered on my Philips, and holding three short files, recorded from CBS, of various lengths - about 90 sec's to five minutes.

 

Installed Ext2Fsd 0.51 on my PC.  Connected the drive.  Aside from identifying the drive as RAW, I see no indication the drive contains files or is being mounted on the Windows PC.

 

I'll keep mucking with it, but I'm not expecting a whole lot.

 

Windows PC?

 

Did you see these instructions or others like it? Sounds like it takes some special "work" to install and use Ext2Fsd on a Windows machine?

Here's where it goes off the rails:

 

  1. Right-click the newly attached drive listing in the window.
  2. Select Change Drive Letter

 

"Change drive letter" doesn't appear.  Despite working when plugged into the DVR, it's like the drive isn't formatted at all...

I'll get back to it....

 

See last Quotes I added above after you posted.

 

One mentions "extents" which might be enabled when the 5710 formats a drive with ext4. If so, it prevents a Windows PC from mounting the drive with Ext2FSD. ???


Edited by wajo - 1/9/14 at 4:33pm
post #423 of 554
Was able to get the xxx.tts file off the Linux formatted external hard drive to a windows machine. Now I am using a windows conversion program (not ffmpeg) to convert to a playable format. So far no luck
Edited by mwg1 - 1/12/14 at 4:36pm
post #424 of 554
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Was able to get the xxx.tts file off the Linux formatted external hard drive to a windows machine. Now I am using ffmpeg to convert to a playable format. So far no luck

 

How? People need procedural info to duplicate your success, as detailed as possible. This is a new subject for MANY people.

post #425 of 554
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How? People need procedural info to duplicate your success, as detailed as possible. This is a new subject for MANY people.

I was one a Linux machine to just copy to my usb flash drive. Ubuntu Linux recognizes the file fine. Are the users above using ffmpeg in a command line in Linux. It seems to me they must be. I will give that a try.

When I try and download their links in windows it just gives me a program called "Install_converter" or "Video Converter".
post #426 of 554
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How? People need procedural info to duplicate your success, as detailed as possible. This is a new subject for MANY people.

I was one a Linux machine to just copy to my usb flash drive. Ubuntu Linux recognizes the file fine. Are the users above using ffmpeg in a command line in Linux. It seems to me they must be. I will give that a try.

When I try and download their links in windows it just gives me a program called "Install_converter" or "Video Converter".

 

Yes, they talk about a command line prompt.. where, I'm not sure but see the posts I've accumulated or the actual posts by clicking the icon next to a posters name.

 

One post has this: "If you invoke ffmpeg this way..."

 

Another: "if you add -report at the start of the command line (right after 'ffmpeg')... "

post #427 of 554
You can also invoke it from the command line in Windows, assuming you have the right binaries. The Win32 binaries are available here.
post #428 of 554

Amazing.  And congrats to the folks who cracked this dilema.

 

Seems obvious at this point that the CM7500 is producing way more interest than the Philips unit (one of which I, myself, bought).

 

I have used the Philips HDR5750 for about a month, now, and also own the Mag 513H (which, despite being SD, even after over two years, still astounds me with it's functionality).  Therefore, I have the Mag, a Homeworx, an Iview, and the Philips.  Of all of these, the Philips gets the least use.

 

I'm waiting for a good price, and intend to get the Channel Master eventually.  I'd say Channel Master has a winner.

 

I fully anticipate Rovi to abandon program guide support for the DVR+, but also expect OTA EPG service to improve.  Macrovision (which is Rovi's old company name) has been screwing up video screens since the 80's.  I picture the company in my mind as being a razor-wired fortress somewhere with Scrooge-like characters stalking around inside, stacking pennies and waiting for their next victims.

 

Still, the OTA EPG backup guide on the DVR+ is better than the VCR-like interface, and consistantly misnamed program titles on my Philips menu screen.

 

The DVR+'s second tuner also adds value, and I anticipate a nice little file transfer program to emerge soon.

 

Thanks for all who helped.

post #429 of 554
To get of the topic of HDD file access, has anyone actually used this via wireless Internet access without using a USB stick or an external wireless router or Access Point? As in what the CM7400 has since it is obvious with the three antennas.
I'm questing if this actually has wireless ability without using an external add on using this as a 'controller' like the VRX was suppose to have (and does, but it isn't enabled).
post #430 of 554
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To get of the topic of HDD file access, has anyone actually used this via wireless Internet access without using a USB stick or an external wireless router or Access Point? As in what the CM7400 has since it is obvious with the three antennas.
I'm questing if this actually has wireless ability without using an external add on using this as a 'controller' like the VRX was suppose to have (and does, but it isn't enabled).

I have used it wirelessly and it worked perfect. No problems at all.
post #431 of 554
As in with no attachments like the DVR+ has to have? I just want to be clear.
post #432 of 554
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As in with no attachments like the DVR+ has to have? I just want to be clear.


Not clear enough though. Do you feel an antenna is an attachment or just a requirement to get the needed range? An antenna, especially one or more that can't be removed, shouldn't be considered an attachment. Right or wrong?

post #433 of 554
The choice of the term "attachment" was probably not the best. Additional devicde like I used before would of been better. But to answer your question, no, not in this case. It would be silly to supply the physical circuit without an antenna.
post #434 of 554
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The choice of the term "attachment" was probably not the best. Additional devicde like I used before would of been better. But to answer your question, no, not in this case. It would be silly to supply the physical circuit without an antenna.

I repeat, one DOES NOT need any attachment to connect wired or wirelessly to wired or wireless router or access point. I do not know how to make it clearer for you guys. It is like connecting a smart HDTV to ones network. The Philips (not Funai as some state) finds your router or AP when you ask it to search to a wired or wireless network. You do NOT need an external device to sit in the way as the DVR+.

I will repeat it once more "one doesn't need NO ATTACHMENTS or EXTERNAL WIRELSS ADAPTERS like the DVR+ needs".

I would also appreciate if you (Videobruce) fix your chart on your thread " 2014 list of consumer available DVR's" to reflect that it can be connect wired or wirelessly with NO ATTACHMENTS or EXTERNAL WIRELSS ADAPTERS like the DVR+ needs
post #435 of 554
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I would also appreciate if you (Videobruce) fix your chart on your thread " 2014 list of consumer available DVR's" to reflect that it can be connect wired or wirelessly with NO ATTACHMENTS or EXTERNAL WIRELSS ADAPTERS like the DVR+ needs

Wired needs a wire with connectors.

post #436 of 554
1. It's already been changed,
2. None of that was necessary, especially over such a minor issue. Where were you when i was looking for input some time back?
post #437 of 554
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As in with no attachments like the DVR+ has to have? I just want to be clear.

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Not clear enough though. Do you feel an antenna is an attachment or just a requirement to get the needed range? An antenna, especially one or more that can't be removed, shouldn't be considered an attachment. Right or wrong?


I repeat NO NOTHING NOTA. Just plug it in and use. Very simple to setup and operate so it serves a very useful purpose to 90% of the OTA people in this country that are not as tech savvy as those posting in this forum.

I am a reseller of the Magnavox MDR53X series of machines and the Philips HDR series of machines. 90% of my customers want something uncomplicated to use and do not use 80% of the features available on these machines. It is fine you guys talk about the pluses and minus of this model vs that model and wish what they would have but believe in speaking from experience. You guys are in the VAST minority of what the average American wants. That vast majority have no voice in these threads. This is coming from a person who has sold over 500 of these machines to my customers.
post #438 of 554
I DO want to thank you guys for providing an INVALUEABLE resource for information on all these machines. Without you guys, us 90% average Joes would be lost.

So I just want to thank you all for your time and dedication to these forums.
post #439 of 554
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You guys are in the VAST minority of what the average American wants. That vast majority have no voice in these threads.
But, who's fault is that? Theirs.
post #440 of 554
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Windows PC?

Did you see these instructions or the successful AVS user procedure described here? Sounds like it takes some special "work" to install and use Ext2Fsd on a Windows machine?

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Below is some info on accessing files (recordings) on external HDDs attached to the CM DVR+. Click any of the Quoted-post links to get into the area of continuing discussion on this subject. This is not direct help on this recorder but it may be the only kind of help we'll get on this subject.

"On the first partition, for every video file on the second partition, there are 3 corresponding files with the same name but with the extensions .tsf, .met, and .log. None of these files appear to be simple txt files and I was unable to open them."

Here is what I would expect those 3 files to be:
1. tsf: Transport stream "index". Resolution, Location of start of I frames packets to enable trick random access play.
2. met: Metadata for the recording, ie name, description, duration, channel, date, season/episode......
3. log: Debug/diagnostic info from the recording session.

Since those files appear to be binary and not text, and we have no idea of the format, using them may be problematic.
Edited by qz3fwd - 1/19/14 at 12:35pm
post #441 of 554
When will the Magnavox unit be avaliable?

I much prefer the asthetics of the Magnavox over the Philips branded units.
post #442 of 554
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Windows PC?

Did you see these instructions or the successful AVS user procedure described here? Sounds like it takes some special "work" to install and use Ext2Fsd on a Windows machine?

* * * * * * *
Below is some info on accessing files (recordings) on external HDDs attached to the CM DVR+. Click any of the Quoted-post links to get into the area of continuing discussion on this subject. This is not direct help on this recorder but it may be the only kind of help we'll get on this subject.

"On the first partition, for every video file on the second partition, there are 3 corresponding files with the same name but with the extensions .tsf, .met, and .log. None of these files appear to be simple txt files and I was unable to open them."

Here is what I would expect those 3 files to be:
1. tsf: Transport stream "index". Resolution, Location of start of I frames packets to enable trick random access play.
2. met: Metadata for the recording, ie name, description, duration, channel, date, season/episode......
3. log: Debug/diagnostic info from the recording session.

Since those files appear to be binary and not text, and we have no idea of the format, using them may be problematic.

 

Thanks for the info. We'll have to see if the Philips/Magnavox file structure is the same as the DVR+ files cited.

post #443 of 554
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When will the Magnavox unit be avaliable?

I much prefer the asthetics of the Magnavox over the Philips branded units.


I have been checking the Magnavox website for the Magnavox TB745H frequently, and it has not changed since I discovered it in early November.  All they have is a placeholder (empty) webpage.  Just tried a few variations in a Google search and found nothing new.  I have yet to see any references to a release date (other than the original wifi.org and energystar listings found in November).

dfw515

post #444 of 554
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When will the Magnavox unit be avaliable?

I much prefer the asthetics of the Magnavox over the Philips branded units.

 

I've not heard anything about timing.

 

It was Wi-Fi certified one day before the Philips units, and the Energy Star certifications for all three models showed same "Date Available on Market" of 10/1/13.

 

The Philips units were 1-month later than that date.

post #445 of 554
Perhaps they are waiting to see how the Philips branded models sell before deciding on actually making the Magnavox unit avaliable,
or maybe Walmart will have some exclusive on the Maggy? Time will tell.
post #446 of 554
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Perhaps they are waiting to see how the Philips branded models sell before deciding on actually making the Magnavox unit avaliable,
or maybe Walmart will have some exclusive on the Maggy? Time will tell.
I suspect the recent legal dispute between Philips and Funai, which resulted in cancellation of the sale of Philips audio, video, multimedia and accessories business to Funai, may be a reason the Magnavox TB745H/F7 hasn't shown up yet.

Around October of last year, I noticed most of the previously labeled Magnavox DVD and Blu-Ray players, combo DVD/VCR recorders, etc. in Walmart stores were slowly being replaced by identical units branded Funai. In my most recent visits to several Walmart stores, the Magnavox name was conspicuously absent in their electronics department.

If the TB745H/F7 eventually shows up at Walmart, my guess is it will carry the Funai name.....not Magnavox.
post #447 of 554
Regarding discovering the particulars of the partitioning and format of the drive, has anyone connected it to a PC then run a program outside of Windows to discover any details with these drives?

Three examples are (all free);

Parted Magic V8,
Hirens Boot CD,
Ultimate Boot CD

There is also GParted, but it has a serious bug error message when reading drives with a GPT partition table. There also numerous other programs that you boot to outside of Windows (using a USB stick or a CD). I would think at least one of those would shed more light on the subject.
post #448 of 554
Hi,
I received the DVR two weeks ago.
i had no issue with initial setup (OTA, digital channels only)

Everything works perfectly exept when using timer programming. Once in a while i get a title that won't play (not even in the preview thumbnail, and not in full screen play). All i get is a black screen, then a frozen DVR and after something like 30seconds to 1 minute, the DVR reboots.... When it does i can hear the internal hard drive stopping abruptly

After reboot the DVR is responsive, unless i try to play the same corrupted title (i get the same black screen of death and reboot)

I am able to delete the title

Direct recording always works. The problem i described above is with timer recording only, and is intermitent. i tried to find a patern (what's causing this), no luck so far.
I have a feeling it's a firmware issue (i have the latest version)

Has anybody seen this?
post #449 of 554
Thread Starter 

Mtl77, No other reports like yours, either here or on other sites, so no help there

 

Does the problem occur on one or two specific channels and no others (e.g., an ION channel)?

Are your black screens throughout the entire recordings or just sections of them (you'd have to review the entire recording)?


Edited by wajo - 1/28/14 at 11:21pm
post #450 of 554
Dvr quirk ?

Hi guys,

I have owned my dvr since before xmas and we love it.
No real issue. Great audio and video !

What i noticed once was seeing the dvr act weird.
It powered down by itself when a recording was commanded to play.
The wife noticed this and called me over.
I was puzzled.

Here is what i found solved the issue.
Since then no issue.
I found that the dvr was trying to tune into a false channel in memory.
i switched channels and the tuner displayed all good channels with no issues.
Except for a 1 channel.
That channel was 2.0 .
Not sure why this channel appeared in my list.
Btw...Kids and wife use the dvr.
I went into the menu and set these channels to skip.
They never reappear any more.
And the quirky operation is gone.

Mp
Edited by michgpan - 1/29/14 at 5:43am
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