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Is the "jury still out" on whether or not these can work with cable? Anything definitive yet?


Well
I'm sure next month at this time we will know a lot about the new Magnavox or Philips HDD DVR's!!

Best Buys deal for the Philips HDR 5710 @ 249 is close to what I paid for
my Mag MDR 535 back in Jan.2013. Both with 500 GB HD's.

But I will keep going over to BB and amazon and keep clicking
to see the price and availability.
Right now BB has the best price.
Walmart. No News yet.

One of us will be the first on the block to own and test 1.
Who will it be?

Mark
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How about anything definitive over any extra features these may have over what we have now (535, 2160A, etc.)? Do these have a recordable HDMI input?

If you can use these to record cable, and HD cable at that, then I may be one of the first. wink.gif If not, then I'll have no interest in one. frown.gif I love my 2160A, I just want one that records HD (and who doesn't).
post #92 of 554
You can be sure that it won't record HDMI. That's what PC capture cards are for.
post #93 of 554
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...........If you can use these to record cable, and HD cable at that, then I may be one of the first. wink.gif If not, then I'll have no interest in one...........

With the little info we have, I'm of the opinion the spec will show:
  • Cable compatible tuner
  • HDMI will be output only
  • USB will be 2.0 (not 3.0) and only for use in updating internal OS and streaming apps.
  • No external storage option (2 different sized HDD models basically rule that out.)
  • LAN input will be for wired internet only (due limited OS codec's)

Except for branding names, the Magnavox & Philips units appear identical, probably due competitive purposes, as in: Amazon vs. BestBuy. (Over the past months, my local Walmart's have been slowly replacing Magnavox models with identical units carrying just the Funai name. ?????)

Then again, Funai may surprise us all. eek.gif

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post #94 of 554
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You can be sure that it won't record HDMI. That's what PC capture cards are for.

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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

...........If you can use these to record cable, and HD cable at that, then I may be one of the first. wink.gif If not, then I'll have no interest in one...........

With the little info we have, I'm of the opinion the spec will show:
  • Cable compatible tuner
  • HDMI will be output only
  • USB will be 2.0 (not 3.0) and only for use in updating internal OS and streaming apps.
  • No external storage option (2 different sized HDD models basically rule that out.)
  • LAN input will be for wired internet only (due limited OS codec's)
Thanks for the info and clearing that up. confused.gif So.....what's the point in having one these units? There doesn't seem to be anything really useful over that of the 2160A/513/515, etc.
post #95 of 554
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Thanks for the info and clearing that up. confused.gif So.....what's the point in having one these units? There doesn't seem to be anything really useful over that of the 2160A/513/515, etc.

Some people like to buy new stuff when old stuff is no longer manufactured. Plus old stuff gets dirty.

 

I have a dollar that says cable is not supported unless there is a cable card slot hiding somewhere.

post #96 of 554
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So.....what's the point in having one these units? There doesn't seem to be anything really useful over that of the 2160A/513/515, etc.

Maybe your your statement should read There doesn't seem to be anything really useful over that of the 2160A/513/515, etc for cable subscribers that are tied to cable boxes for their high definition content.

I'm OTA and while I'm quite satisfied with my 3576, 2160, 2160A and 513 I would consider it useful to be able to record and play back in High Definition. I would consider it really useful if the remote IR codes are different between the new Philips and Magnavox units and if the codes are different between the new recorders and the old recorders.
post #97 of 554
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So.....what's the point in having one these units? There doesn't seem to be anything really useful over that of the 2160A/513/515, etc.

They record HD, and the usefulness of that feature is a matter of opinion.
post #98 of 554
These units will export the recordings via USB? confused.gif

Also, where are the HD inputs? frown.gif

Without HD capture capacities, those units are expensive and useless.
Edited by profhat - 11/26/13 at 8:15pm
post #99 of 554
Bickering removed. Off topic posts removed. Infractions issued.
post #100 of 554
Thread Starter 

:D

 

One Member got the first Philips 5710 and PM'd me his preliminary info.

 

See Post #2, where I pasted his info... I haven't really reviewed it in detail except to see that it's for both antenna and cable.

 

I'll either keep Post #2 updated or move to Post #1, whichever makes the most sense as we get more info.

 

:D 


Edited by wajo - 11/27/13 at 3:06pm
post #101 of 554
Did he say where he bought it? Looks like Best Buy may have them in stock. Adding to cart and selecting shipping says it could be delivered by December 4.

One thing I noticed in the write-up: Register up to 8 (eight) USB external devices. Sounds like what used to happen with external esata drives used on cable boxes where the contents could only be played on that machine. If true, having an external drive would be a crapshoot if you were using it to save titles. If your machine died, you would be stuck with an external drive filled with nothing you could get to. Very disappointing.
post #102 of 554

Your friend is very nice. Anyone with digital cable not using a DTA should have clear QAM. A rescan will be needed. The Madison & Milwaukee markets are pretty big.

post #103 of 554
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Did he say where he bought it? Looks like Best Buy may have them in stock. Adding to cart and selecting shipping says it could be delivered by December 4.

One thing I noticed in the write-up: Register up to 8 (eight) USB external devices. Sounds like what used to happen with external esata drives used on cable boxes where the contents could only be played on that machine. If true, having an external drive would be a crapshoot if you were using it to save titles. If your machine died, you would be stuck with an external drive filled with nothing you could get to. Very disappointing.


I bought Philips HDR5710/F7 at Bestbuy.com. I registered an external usb hard drive, recorded to it and was able to copy/move what I recorded back and forth to the units internal hard drive. When I connected the same external usb hard drive to my computer (windows 7 64-bit), it does not recognize the drive.
post #104 of 554
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Did he say where he bought it? Looks like Best Buy may have them in stock. Adding to cart and selecting shipping says it could be delivered by December 4.

One thing I noticed in the write-up: Register up to 8 (eight) USB external devices. Sounds like what used to happen with external esata drives used on cable boxes where the contents could only be played on that machine. If true, having an external drive would be a crapshoot if you were using it to save titles. If your machine died, you would be stuck with an external drive filled with nothing you could get to. Very disappointing.

 

I think he got it from eBay.

 

The "Register" thing could easily be "Japanese" for Initialize, like all new HDDs for the SD recorders... same word they use for adding titles to the Dub Menu ("Register title").

 

I just saw mwg's post where his WIN 7 couldn't see the HDD, however, these new HD units have a Linux OS.


Edited by wajo - 11/27/13 at 6:10pm
post #105 of 554
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I think he got it from eBay.

The "Register" thing could easily be "Japanese" for Initialize, like all new HDDs for the SD recorders... same word they use for adding titles to the Dub Menu ("Register title").

I just saw mwg's post where his WIN 7 couldn't see the HDD, however, these new HD units have a Linux OS.

I have access to a Linux OS machine. What should I look for?
post #106 of 554
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I just saw mwg's post where his WIN 7 couldn't see the HDD, however, these new HD units have a Linux OS.

I have access to a Linux OS machine. What should I look for?

 

I don't do Linux but I assume you try to "read" or at least see what shows up on one of the HDDs with titles on it?

 

If you see something, take a screenshot and post it?

 

We need a Linux expert!


Edited by wajo - 11/27/13 at 6:43pm
post #107 of 554
I think he just wants you to test the drive with a Linux system to see if it will recognise the drive. I would think that Windows 7 should be capable of seeing the files on its own, though, as I thought Windows 7 came with ext2/3 drivers pre-installed. If you can get VLC or similar software to play one of the recordings under Linux, that would prove the drive's contents are accessible.
post #108 of 554
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Link to "rough" manual ... also now in Post #1.

... it's "rough" and not searchable.

 

(Thanks again to our anonymous donor.)


Edited by wajo - 11/27/13 at 7:28pm
post #109 of 554
I've read through the manual and don't see anything about being able to name the recording when scheduling it.
post #110 of 554
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I've read through the manual and don't see anything about being able to name the recording when scheduling it.

 

You really will have to "read" that rough manual to find something specific... I just discovered it's not searchable like a "normal" pdf file!

post #111 of 554
Thread Starter 

:D

 

Tidbits:

External USB HDD can be 32GB - 4TB capacity.

2 remote codes for 5710/5750.

100 timer programs (with "titles" from somewhere?).

 

:D 

post #112 of 554
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You really will have to "read" that rough manual to find something specific... I just discovered it's not searchable like a "normal" pdf file!

I did read through it. What I couldn't make out were the pictures of the menu for scheduling. Hopefully the ability to rename titles is there but just not documented in the text.
post #113 of 554
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You really will have to "read" that rough manual to find something specific... I just discovered it's not searchable like a "normal" pdf file!

I did read through it. What I couldn't make out were the pictures of the menu for scheduling. Hopefully the ability to rename titles is there but just not documented in the text.

 

I took a screen shot of the timer programming instruction where it says item 1 is the "Title"... not sure where that comes from but it's apparently not the nondescript date, time, channel stuff since that's mentioned separately? I didn't see any manual "user-titling" feature/menu.

 

Edit: I noticed an "On-Screen Keyboard" mentioned in HDD registering instructions. Might appear in other menus as well, like the Timer Programming menu... hope?

 


Edited by wajo - 11/27/13 at 8:49pm
post #114 of 554
Wajo

Is that a 3.0 or 2.0 USB on the back.

Would kindda like to know.Bought 2 8gb at BB .
They do have 32 gb 3.0 on sale also.

Mark
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post #115 of 554
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Wajo

Is that a 3.0 or 2.0 USB on the back.

Would kindda like to know.Bought 2 8gb at BB .
They do have 32 gb 3.0 on sale also.

Mark
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I own a HDR5710 and it is USB 3.0 on the back
post #116 of 554
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I own a HDR5710 and it is USB 3.0 on the back

Thanks
I set aside 350. That is part of the reason why I didn't buy the more exspensive one.Enough saved for
support. Cables HD's batteries etc.

2 TB external HD's are on sale everywhere.

Thanks again mwg1

Mark
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post #117 of 554
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Originally Posted by mwg1 View Post

I own a HDR5710 and it is USB 3.0 on the back

Thanks
I set aside 350. That is part of the reason why I didn't buy the more exspensive one.Enough saved for
support. Cables HD's batteries etc.

2 TB external HD's are on sale everywhere.

Thanks again mwg1

Mark
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The manual says the USB can only be used for external HDD or memory stick with software update only, as shown here:

 

 

 

Still worth a try to record to a stick, but doesn't sound like it would work... only an external HDD?

post #118 of 554
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Originally Posted by mwg1 View Post

I own a HDR5710
If you have a unit in hand, then you are the only authority posting.
Why don't you post answers to some of these questions and end the speculation.
What does the thing do for recording titles? What is the default title name when scheduled? Can you edit a title name?
How does it set and maintain the clock?
post #119 of 554
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Still worth a try to record to a stick, but doesn't sound like it would work... only an external HDD?

That's merely a disclaimer to reduce the number of people who complain that recording to a flash drive doesn't work. Most flash drives use cheap, slow memory that can't handle the throughput necessary to record HD, but some of them will work. Since there is no standardised rating system for the speed of flash drives, it's almost impossible to tell if a particular make or model of drive will work without testing it. Even if you do find one that works, it's not a very practical solution, as flash drives offer a low $ / GB ratio and are not designed for the repeated write cycles they will experience when used for recording.
post #120 of 554
I'm gonna check prices all day on 2 TB WD Win Books.

The 3.0 SanDisk stick at BB was 30 bucks earlier this week.
I'll probably take that and put it toward a win book.

Meanwhile my 5710 is "Stuck in L.A." LOL

Mark
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Edited by MarkB49 - 11/27/13 at 11:05pm
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