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post #151 of 187
Being simply loud and out of all speakers all the time does not an impressive soundtrack make.
post #152 of 187
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Being simply loud and out of all speakers all the time does not an impressive soundtrack make.

Greetings,

That goes without saying and I completely agree. Based upon my review I clearly didn't experience uneven dialogue, unbalanced surround activity and compressed dynamics. I can't account for those hearing or not hearing the aforementioned problems in their particular setups.


Regards,
post #153 of 187
I had no problems with riding the volume on my set up. Dialogue was just at the right levels for me.
post #154 of 187
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Being simply loud and out of all speakers all the time does not an impressive soundtrack make.

Probably need to set your audio up properly.
post #155 of 187
For me, this movie was just about the best overall sounding BR I can ever recall seeing. Everything about it was perfect. I would have preferred a bit more low end on some of the scenes, but that could just be me.
post #156 of 187
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Originally Posted by yadfgp View Post

For me, this movie was just about the best overall sounding BR I can ever recall seeing. Everything about it was perfect. I would have preferred a bit more low end on some of the scenes, but that could just be me.

I've been on the fence so far about Man of Steel so that distinction goes to Oblivion for me. I'll find out Tuesday when I rent it, can't wait.
post #157 of 187
Finally got a chance to see Man of Steel last night and I have to tell you it was one hell of a ride for the ol' HT. I liked the look of the film and found the PQ to be quite good with lots of detail in close ups and clothing textures. The AQ was excellent and I did not have the dialog problem as some others have reported and the HT was shaking in many scenes. The overall sound was very good but I still give Oblivion the edge, it just seems more refined and less aggressive. I will definitely be picking up this title in the near future.
post #158 of 187
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

That goes without saying and I completely agree. Based upon my review I clearly didn't experience uneven dialogue, unbalanced surround activity and compressed dynamics. I can't account for those hearing or not hearing the aforementioned problems in their particular setups.


Regards,

Ditto! I had the same experience that you did Ralph and I thoroughly enjoyed it!
post #159 of 187
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Ditto! I had the same experience that you did Ralph and I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Greetings,

Glad to hear it Denny! smile.gif

Thanks for chiming in and Merry Christmas..


Regards,
post #160 of 187
For anyone still on the fence on this- here's an absolute steal that might sway you:

Man of Steel (3D Blu-ray + Blu-ray + DVD +UltraViolet Combo Pack) for $20

Enjoy biggrin.gif
post #161 of 187
pretty damn good flick,better than i thought it would be. a tad much of the cgi but no biggie. great audio/video
post #162 of 187
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Originally Posted by John Schneider View Post

I'm about an hour and a half in and decided to take a quick look at this thread to see what the consensus on the soundtrack is. I'm somewhat surprised - maybe I've got something wrong.

The dialogue seems to have been mixed very unevenly - fine in many spots, but very low in others, and the whole soundstage seems to be balanced too far to the rear most times. I guess I would use the word "uneven" for the soundtrack.

Oh well, different strokes........

Had the same experience... In the end just settled with caring less about the neighbours, pumped the volume up and enjoyed the film
post #163 of 187
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

For anyone still on the fence on this- here's an absolute steal that might sway you:

Man of Steel (3D Blu-ray + Blu-ray + DVD +UltraViolet Combo Pack) for $20

Enjoy biggrin.gif

And here's an even better one (if you don't care about 3D):

Man of Steel (Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy) on Amazon for $10
post #164 of 187
Great family movie, watched it last night on bluray via redbox, kids agree it's worthy to buy for future repeat watchings.

I feel sorry for New York (ok - Metropolis here), how many times and ways can that iconic city get destroyed?
We need a separate thread to list and discuss that.
If there is one, point me to the link.

[edit] There is a wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_New_York_City#New_York_City_destroyed_on_film
Edited by mtbdudex - 12/22/13 at 12:01pm
post #165 of 187
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

Gotta say the video here is terrible. Some scenes are giving my expendables 2 blu ray a run for its money in atrociously bad noise. I can't believe in this day and age we have to deal with this. I knew this was gonna happen when I saw the movie in theaters.

The audio is freaken unbelievable thought. my only complain is that the subwoofer isn't getting the workout i hoped for, and isn't used in places I though it should be. 

Bought the limited Edition S version, if it wasn't for the video quality, it would be a great disc. 

Note: I'm viewing on a viewsonic pro8100 120" screen.

I am not a fan of the video in this film.

There appeared to be "video noise" in some of the darker scenes. Perhaps, it is the directors intent, I thought at the time it was over processing.

The level of color-grading/processing is among the worst I have ever witnessed.

The only quibble I have with Ralph's review are the following:
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•Color reproduction: attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373692


•Flesh tones: attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373692

How can fleshtones so obviously manipulated be considered accurate?
I watched one of the one of the extras on the 2D version where commentary filmed with natural color was included between scenes from the film. The commentary flesh tones were accurate and beautiful. The film flesh tones did not.

IMHO, too many films are color graded to the point that they call attention to themselves.
For example, I am brought out of the film by teal snow. (Well, that must the directors intent.)

I am beginning to wonder, if it isn't a prestige think. Clearly, our budget was big enough to color-grade.
Unlike those indy films tongue.gif

When will this "Orange and Teal" nightmare end?

- Rich
post #166 of 187
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post



IMHO, too many films are color graded to the point that they call attention to themselves.
For example, I am brought out of the film by teal snow. (Well, that must the directors intent.)

I am beginning to wonder, if it isn't a prestige think. Clearly, our budget was big enough to color-grade.
Unlike those indy films tongue.gif

When will this "Orange and Teal" nightmare end?

- Rich

Ironically the nightmare only ends when we go to sleep, for you can hardly escape some form of color-grading in most movies today, especially comedies, with relentless *orange* hues and action movies with their love-affair with *teal/orange*.
post #167 of 187
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Originally Posted by TimV View Post

And here's an even better one (if you don't care about 3D):

Man of Steel (Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy) on Amazon for $10

That's the deal I went for also.
Just watched it thought it sounded Great! Very dynamic!
post #168 of 187
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I am not a fan of the video in this film.

There appeared to be "video noise" in some of the darker scenes. Perhaps, it is the directors intent, I thought at the time it was over processing.

The level of color-grading/processing is among the worst I have ever witnessed.

The only quibble I have with Ralph's review are the following:
How can fleshtones so obviously manipulated be considered accurate?
I watched one of the one of the extras on the 2D version where commentary filmed with natural color was included between scenes from the film. The commentary flesh tones were accurate and beautiful. The film flesh tones did not.

IMHO, too many films are color graded to the point that they call attention to themselves.
For example, I am brought out of the film by teal snow. (Well, that must the directors intent.)

I am beginning to wonder, if it isn't a prestige think. Clearly, our budget was big enough to color-grade.
Unlike those indy films tongue.gif

When will this "Orange and Teal" nightmare end?

- Rich

If you look at Zack Snyder's previous work, you can tell the guy likes his images super punchy, contrasty and lacking any accurate color fidelity. He also likes to add digital film grain to his images, and it's rarely subtle. I personally don't care for the look of his films, but I've never been brought out of a movie because of the color grade (unless it was something I saw in film school haha).

With that said, while the teal/orange craze is getting lots of love these days, movies have been color manipulated for many years to convey a certain feel, emotion, etc. Honestly, a cold scene with icy snow that doesn't have a hint of blue (not teal) isn't very effective, as is a very hot desert scene that isn't a wee bit warm side with slightly punched up contrast. The problem with most movies nowadays, though, is that color grading is no longer a subtle art but something that constantly tries to call attention to itself. Granted, their are certain scenes that are meant to have some type of look that may appear unnatural or dirty (such as dank kitchen being skewed towards green), but again, when the whole movie looks similar, the mood is no longer effective.

Personally I didn't find the color grade in Man of Steel to be that intrusive, but then again I was more taken aback by the overly compressed audio. I'm going to have to disagree with a previous post and say this wasn't a very dynamic track, it was just LOUD and obnoxious.
post #169 of 187
I just bought this and Oblivion yesterday and was wondering if anyone has watched the Ultraviolet copy. How does it compare to the picture/audio of the disc?
post #170 of 187
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

I just bought this and Oblivion yesterday and was wondering if anyone has watched the Ultraviolet copy. How does it compare to the picture/audio of the disc?

Why don't you watch it and let us know. wink.gifsmile.gif
post #171 of 187
I would But my Internet is so slow that it will take several days to download so I thought I'd see if someone else could report on it before I took the time to go through all that trouble.

I may just have to try it myself though
post #172 of 187
Not only was this the worst audio presentation that I saw in 2013, but the screenplay was as well. I also did not appreciate the color in quite a few scenes; however the grain and detail was well done and the actors did what they could with what they had to work with IMO. If I had seen this in theaters I would not have remained in my seat; even as a rental I had my regrets.

Caveat: I only have time in my l ife to view well reviewed films so there are likely far worse for 2013.
post #173 of 187
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Not only was this the worst audio presentation that I saw in 2013, but the screenplay was as well. I also did not appreciate the color in quite a few scenes; however the grain and detail was well done and the actors did what they could with what they had to work with IMO. If I had seen this in theaters I would not have remained in my seat; even as a rental I had my regrets.

Caveat: I only have time in my l ife to view well reviewed films so there are likely far worse for 2013.

Ralph must be horribly wrong then:

Audio: 100

"The DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio soundtrack is technically proficient and in a word, terrific."
post #174 of 187
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Not only was this the worst audio presentation that I saw in 2013, but the screenplay was as well. I also did not appreciate the color in quite a few scenes; however the grain and detail was well done and the actors did what they could with what they had to work with IMO. If I had seen this in theaters I would not have remained in my seat; even as a rental I had my regrets.

Caveat: I only have time in my l ife to view well reviewed films so there are likely far worse for 2013.

Well screenplay opinions are just that, and will be taken as such; what exactly did you find lacking in the audio department? I am quick to dismiss your comments on the basis of the fact that you didn't state it as a poor audio presentation; but the worst in 2013. So either you watched only 2 movies last year (Superman and Oblivion), or you have a slightly skewed sense of what you consider top notch audio.

I'd be interested to hear your insight on this. wink.gif
post #175 of 187
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Originally Posted by bguzman View Post

Ralph must be horribly wrong then:

Audio: 100

"The DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio soundtrack is technically proficient and in a word, terrific."

Nope Ralph hit it pretty much spot on. While I wouldn't rate it as a 100, it is far from a sub par recording, and even further from being considered the worst of the year. I'm leaning towards STID for that one (unless of course you like well done steak, burnt toast, and crispy bacon; in the which the over done clipped track would be right up your alley). biggrin.gif
post #176 of 187
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

Nope Ralph hit it pretty much spot on. While I wouldn't rate it as a 100, it is far from a sub par recording, and even further from being considered the worst of the year. I'm leaning towards STID for that one (unless of course you like well done steak, burnt toast, and crispy bacon; in the which the over done clipped track would be right up your alley). biggrin.gif

I was being sarcastic. I agree with consensus on this one.
post #177 of 187
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Originally Posted by bguzman View Post

I was being sarcastic. I agree with consensus on this one.

Yeah, I picked up on that. I was merely quoting you in agreement. I wasn't very clear obviously lol.
post #178 of 187
I bought the 3D Blu-ray of this, but when I tried to play it in my Sony BDP-S590 3D Blu-ray Disc Player through my Yamaha RX-V673 7.2-Channel Network AV Receiver and into my Samsung UN55D7900 55-Inch 1080p 240HZ 3D LED HDTV, I could only get the message that "no 3D signal is detected on either your player or display" and got sent back to the DVD home screen.

All these devices are 3D capable and the firmware is up to date on all, so I don't know what the problem is.
post #179 of 187
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Originally Posted by johnnyray View Post

I bought the 3D Blu-ray of this, but when I tried to play it in my Sony BDP-S590 3D Blu-ray Disc Player through my Yamaha RX-V673 7.2-Channel Network AV Receiver and into my Samsung UN55D7900 55-Inch 1080p 240HZ 3D LED HDTV, I could only get the message that "no 3D signal is detected on either your player or display" and got sent back to the DVD home screen.

All these devices are 3D capable and the firmware is up to date on all, so I don't know what the problem is.

I'll be very interested in any response to this problem, too, since I've been getting the same "no 3D signal" kind of message when I try to watch 3D material on my LG flat screen. I've been getting that message since I moved and re-set up my system. I'm playing the discs on an OPPO 3D Blu-ray player so I know it is capable of handling the 3D signal. I suspect it might be a non-3D compliant HDMI cable going to or from a component that I somehow put into the mix during the move. But before I go to the hassle of snaking through every cable back there to find out I'll wait to see if there is another possible fix for it that requires less work. lol. Since my LG flat screen can convert 2D to 3D, that's the lazy option I've been taking lately but can only assume that is not nearly as good as getting the real 3D signal from the disc/player to the screen.
post #180 of 187
Ralph, thanks for your review. I appreciate the time and thought you put into these, and the even handedness of your reviews. A quote I have appreciated for many years basically says there has never been an objective being. knowing this the rest is known.


Obviously, these reviews are opinion. You really have to read many different reviewers until you find the one reviewer that approaches a movie from the perspective that fits your preference best. That may not be Ralph. It's not his fault. So while you are able to express you opinion in response to his, try to at least be as constructive and as even handed as he is.

I don't always agree with the take Ralph presents in his review but his take still gives me a good baseline in which to approach those movies I have not seen yet based on how we agree and disagree with the movies I have seen. Most of us don't own reference grade audio and video equipment and we even have our equipment adjusted and tuned to our own preferences. This can also lead to differences from what he sees and hears and what we see and hear.

Really, if you strongly disagree with Ralph and his perceptions, thank him for his time and effort, let him know how your experience differed if you need to, and then go find that reviewer that you can benefit from the most.

Personally, I have never liked any of the Superman movies or shows. Meh. However, I do like the trend of the recent reboots we have seen over the last 10 years. I am a sucker for great cinematography, a solid moving soundtrack, and if CG is involved a realistic believable blend of cg and reality. So in this case, and due to the brief sale price on Amazon, I bought MOS and I am looking forward to this presentation. Not with unrealistic expectations but with a better idea of how I can enjoy it.



Thanks again Ralph! While we don't always enjoy the same films, I appreciate your approach and your opinions. They have guided me well over the years.
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