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post #61 of 185
hi all. IMO and experience is that in my city I had; was VERY GOOD. I got to know all the different managers and associates that worked the days i went.They were wonderful and they were down to earth people It was like being friends with the butcher.. Over the years as some had said that BR disc an the availability of them, motivated me TO expand my itty bitty MAN CAVE. A LOT OF ISSUES STEM from CORPORATE. Until they killed all the stores except for 2. To serve over couple million of people. I went to the "new" and once again got to know the manager and she had a passion to provide customer service....I am gonna have to buy her lunch and see the tears well up.....
post #62 of 185
Kinda sad to see them go, as going to a brick and mortar store to grab a flick was a fun experience. I'm really happy with Redbox as an alternative though. $1.60 for blu-ray? Yes please.

I had no disdain for their late fees, as they were simply a comprehension tax. If you failed to understand what a late fee was and how it was calculated, you were charged. They were straightforward and fair.
post #63 of 185
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post


Do you think the industry is trying to remove the idea of ownership and replace it with the idea of streaming?

I think the industry wants to move beyond physical media because it's a pain in the butt to manufacture and distribute packaged merchandise. I don't sweat my UltraViolet and iTunes purchases whereas I do get annoyed at having to manage a Blu-ray collection.

The thing about Blu-ray is you don't really own the content, and the law says that ripping a Blu-ray is illegal. That's not ownership, and it's not even on-par with rippable formats like CD or DVD. So unless you willingly defy federal law—or you can afford a Kaleidescape system—Blu-ray is a fairly restrictive format.

 

I associate downloads with ownership, and I think streaming and downloads will coexist. I feel good about my iTunes library, because I feel good about Apple sticking around for a few more years, It would be nice if the quality of online delivery matched or beat Blu-ray. Hopefully that day is coming soon.


Edited by imagic - 11/8/13 at 6:23am
post #64 of 185
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

I think the industry wants to move beyond physical media because it's a pain in the butt to manufacture and distribute packaged merchandise.

I think file sharing pains them more.

Not to re-open the old argument, but managing a Blu-Ray collection is much easier if you rip them, of course. Either main movie to MKV, MP4, or whole disc to play with a BD software player (TMT, PDVD) from HTPC. Which cuts down on having to fiddle with discs. I don't think those people are the problem or cause much concern for the industry; again, it's the file sharers/rental rippers. On that point, one can sympathize with the industry.
Edited by fritzi93 - 11/8/13 at 6:59am
post #65 of 185
Sad day not for BB....But for 50 GB ISO 1080p source on external drives.
post #66 of 185
Only took Charlie a year to disembowel BlockBuster and feed the entrails to the wolves...
post #67 of 185
I live in the country where high bandwidth high speed internet is not available so streaming is not an option. I just hope Netflix will continue to rent discs by mail.
post #68 of 185
I thought it was sad when the BlockBuster near my home closed and now I find it really sad the remaining store's are closing their door's as well. I guess this means my wife and I stay with Netflix.
post #69 of 185
My first job was at Blockbuster...I am not sad but it is kind of weird seeing them disappear.

I personally think it sucks. I mean I haven't rented from BB in a while, but this pretty much ends the era of being able to rent local. Sure there is Redbox, but they only have recent titles. Maybe I am in the mood for Bridge on the River Kwai, or maybe even Seven. I don't think Netflix has either of those on instant (and even if they do, there are many titles they don't have), and chances are tomorrow I'm not going to be feeling watching either, so I'm not going to rent by mail or buy it. I just think it's crappy that local rental possibility on a micro level is no longer existent.
Edited by tuffluck - 11/8/13 at 8:22am
post #70 of 185
Managing a blu ray collection is difficult? huh, I enjoy having a row of movies to look through and pull the disc out. Start it up. Sit down while the PJ warms up and the disc loads. It's an experience I enjoy. I don't use a HTPC so how am I supposed to stream. If industry takes away easy access to discs, they're going to lose money from me. I'll simply watch fewer movies, re-watch the ones I have, listen to music, and/or find something more productive to do like read a book or build things.
post #71 of 185
I too am sad. It's been a few months since I was in my local Blockbuster (yes, there's still an open one near me), but methinks it may be time to go pay them a few visits, if nothing else than to wax nostalgic.

I don't and won't stream. And while it's true that we may be heading toward faster service through fiber and whatnot, I can pretty much guarantee that won't come free. And people only have so many $$ in their pocket to pay for internet. Couple that with throughput caps, and you will wind up paying through the nose to watch a HQ movie. I just don't see a widespread improvement in streaming anytime soon - unless maybe Obama enacts the Affordable Internet Act. biggrin.gif
post #72 of 185
They stopped carrying lots of titles on BD, but I have one close by and will use it when there is something worthwhile to rent. Have NO use for streaming-NO LOSSLESS audio!! No DTS MA / DD TRUE!! I put out good cash for my Oppo and new speakes recently, I knew I should have bought a redbox!! This is the company that will make out now! Streaming suks!!
post #73 of 185
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Wha?

https://dvd.netflix.com/ (I presume Blu-rays are available through here still).
When you sign up for a new Netflix account or the free trial you're defaulted to streaming only. There is no mention of the DVD option. If you want DVDs you have to sign up separately or add it later. There is no mention of Blu-rays.

Their FAQ:
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Can I get DVDs by mail from Netflix?
Yes. In addition to streaming TV shows and movies from Netflix for $7.99 a month, you can add the 1 DVD out-at-a-time plan for $7.99 more a month (combined $15.98 for both streaming & DVDs.)
If you only want DVDs by mail you can sign up for a DVD only plan at dvd.netflix.com.
With DVDs by mail, you'll get an even broader selection of TV shows & movies. You can exchange each DVD as often as you want with no due dates or late fees — ever!
post #74 of 185
So does this include all of the blockbuster kiosks that are competing with Redbox?

I stopped going to the stores when they charged outrages late fees when I made sure to turn them in on time. The only way I could avoid late fees is if I turned it in the day after use.
Edited by Kimeran - 11/8/13 at 9:57am
post #75 of 185
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

When you sign up for a new Netflix account or the free trial you're defaulted to streaming only. There is no mention of the DVD option. If you want DVDs you have to sign up separately or add it later. There is no mention of Blu-rays.

Their FAQ:
Right, a separate service. I'm okay with that. I don't care for their streaming. I just hope they don't shut it down now with the loss of Blockbuster. They don't mention Blu-rays, but they had them before, so they surely haven't removed them from availability.
post #76 of 185
My Local Blockbuster store closed a couple of years ago & it was major news here since blockbuster was the only video rental store around besides redbox. Family Video did open in half of the space once occupied by blockbuster the following year & their selection is just as good as redbox but blockbuster will always be one of the best video rental stores i've ever gone to.
post #77 of 185
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Right, a separate service. I'm okay with that. I don't care for their streaming. I just hope they don't shut it down now with the loss of Blockbuster. They don't mention Blu-rays, but they had them before, so they surely haven't removed them from availability.
Even when they had Blu-rays Netflix barely had them. They always had the Blu-ray upcharge but that extra monthly fee didn't go to buying any discs. Netflix took an active role in the hyping of streaming over physical media but wasn't shy about charging extra for it. I was a fanboy for 7 years before finally dumping it after yet another fee hike. It became clear the owner was more concerned with the price of his stock than in keeping his customers happy.

The problem with streaming is the provider is at the mercy of the content owner. Buy a disc and it's yours forever, but streaming rights must be negotiated and re-negotiated periodically. If you succeed your licensing fees will increase as the owner wants a bigger piece of the pie.
post #78 of 185
I used to rent movies from Blockbuster until about 5 years ago when I got a 1 year Netflix membership as a Christmas present. I never went back to Blockbuster after that. I had two stores in my area but both closed down when Blockbuster declared bankruptcy some time ago. I have not missed them at all.

I still rent physical media because the audio quality when movies are streamed are not on the same level as the lossless audio one gets on BluRay discs. I hope that we continue to get discs until such time as the AQ on streamed media also becomes fully lossless.

Cal68
post #79 of 185
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Even when they had Blu-rays Netflix barely had them. They always had the Blu-ray upcharge but that extra monthly fee didn't go to buying any discs. Netflix took an active role in the hyping of streaming over physical media but wasn't shy about charging extra for it. I was a fanboy for 7 years before finally dumping it after yet another fee hike. It became clear the owner was more concerned with the price of his stock than in keeping his customers happy.

The problem with streaming is the provider is at the mercy of the content owner. Buy a disc and it's yours forever, but streaming rights must be negotiated and re-negotiated periodically. If you succeed your licensing fees will increase as the owner wants a bigger piece of the pie.
I agree, which is yet another mark against streaming options...so are you confirming that they no longer lease Blu-ray discs?? This is really the first I've heard of that omission.

They do have them listed as a category here: http://dvd.netflix.com/BrowseGenres/Blu-ray/2444
post #80 of 185
The last time I was in a Blockbuster was about a year ago in the Houston area. It was kind of surreal and sad at the same time. The place looked exactly as I had remembered, right down to the candy displays near the front. But it felt run down, nobody was in there, and it was just depressing.

The only reason I care about their demise is the (eventual) demise of physical media. Streaming simply can't compare to the quality of a blu-ray. Even the "Super HD" streaming (1080p) on Netflix doesn't look that great. And of course only lossy (and not always even 5.1) audio on streaming services. If we all had Gigabit internet and the quality matched (or exceeded) that of current blu-rays, then I wouldn't care. Until then, I hope physical media sticks around.

Also, hit movies can easily pull in 20 to 30 million in extra revenue from DVD/blu-ray sales, so there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the sales and rental side of things. I think Blockbuster just had an outdated business model (and prices) and reacted too late to stay relevant.
post #81 of 185
It is sad because I remember going there for many years. It does not surprise me that they are closing. The rental was expensive for new releases compared to just a buck for Redbox!
post #82 of 185
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I agree, which is yet another mark against streaming options...so are you confirming that they no longer lease Blu-ray discs?? This is really the first I've heard of that omission.

They do have them listed as a category here: http://dvd.netflix.com/BrowseGenres/Blu-ray/2444
Blu-ray is still available and it's still an additional $2/month (for the one disc at a time plan).
post #83 of 185
Thread Starter 

So check it out, tomorrow is the last day anyone will ever be able to rent a Blockbuster movie. http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/8/5081134/blockbuster-ending-in-store-movie-rentals-november-9

post #84 of 185
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

So check it out, tomorrow is the last day anyone will ever be able to rent a Blockbuster movie. http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/8/5081134/blockbuster-ending-in-store-movie-rentals-november-9

Does that mean you get to keep the movie since there will be no place to return it? biggrin.gif
post #85 of 185
Just don't forget to pay those late fees. About a year and a half after HollyWood bellied up their creditors sent me a nasty-gram about a (disputed) late fee. I told them to pack sand and never heard back from them though...tongue.gif
post #86 of 185
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

Does that mean you get to keep the movie since there will be no place to return it? biggrin.gif

hm, I think I'll go rent about 600 movies from them tonight tongue.gif
post #87 of 185
I'm sad to see it go. I began the BB service by mail to get blurays. After about a year, my local store offered one rental at a time for $16 per month. I'm still using that, but I guess that will be changing soon! I actually like going into a store and picking out a movie. The kids love looking around as well. Anyway, guess I'll have to decide on a streaming service and start using redbox.
post #88 of 185
I don't agree that this is "yet another sign that physical media is all but obsolete for most movie-watchers" . I think it's a sign that BlockBuster's model couldn't work in the current market.

Certainly streaming video eats market from physical media; just as laptops ate from desktops, phones ate from laptops, and tablets ate from phones and laptops.

The fact is that sales of physical media remain high.

I last went to a movie rental store maybe a decade ago. I'd still be on the physical media mailings from NetFlix if they hadn't doubled the price and made me chose one or the other. Most of my "rentals" are streaming these days; but I still buy a great deal and that's universally physical media (I "own" exactly 1 streaming movie). Even if they got the quality to reliably match physical media, there's still a legion of problems.

1) Will the movie in question still be available later or will the contract have expired?
2) Will wherever I am when I want to watch it, have the ability to play it?
3) Can't loan to friends.
4) Will the service I bought it from still be available in 5 years and will it still be supported by the playback devices I have at the time?
5) Will I lose internet connectivity at some point when I want to watch it (can I stream to my car?)
6) When did they add these data caps?
7) What do you mean TimeWarner is throttling Netflix? I can't even watch my movie in SD because of that during prime-time?

No.

I buy downloadable songs (and which eBooks I do buy) because I can download them and make my own backups and change their format, etc. I will (maybe) buy non-physical video, but only under those conditions.
post #89 of 185
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post


There is no mention of the DVD option. If you want DVDs you have to sign up separately or add it later. There is no mention of Blu-rays.

Their FAQ:

 

From time to time the inside flap of the Netflix mailers will promote blu-ray discs, which is an added-cost item. (I am paying a $6 premium to have blu-rays on my 5-DVD plan,or a total of $33.99; that's in addition to the $7.99 streaming plan.)

 

Most new blockbusters when Netflix finally gets them on disc and a number of classics are on blu-ray, but the vast majority of titles are not. With recent TV shows, it's hit or miss, "Chuck" and "Dexter" being on blu-ray, "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" having just seasons 1 and 9 on Blu-ray out of the first 13 seasons they currently have on DVD, and the first six and a half seasons of the current "Doctor Who" (2005-present) being DVD only, but "Torchwood" (2006-2011) is also on Blu-ray.

 

Netflix has approximately five times as many titles on disc than in their streaming inventory, but there are some titles that have appeared only on streaming, and there have been only a couple of titles I saw on blu-ray that wasn't at that time available by any other form: "Blade Runner: Workprint" (still blu-ray only) and "Time Warp: Season 1" (which was blu-ray only in 2011, but now also on DVD).

 

I don't know if it is still the case, but a couple years ago the disc shipping side was producing more profits for Netflix than the streaming side.

post #90 of 185
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

About time. Their disc by mail service was awful, especially towards the end.

Their disc by mail service was better for a long time because they had the new release movies that the studios wouldn't let you get via Netflix for at least a month or so after release (Warner Bros. new releases etc.). But then they stopped fighting the powers that be on that, and pretty much ended up just having the same selection as Netflix. They also allowed game rentals before Netflix and Redbox did it

But I disagree with the below quote:

"At its height, Blockbuster operated more than 9,000 stores around the world, but in less than a decade its retail presence has been effectively wiped out. It's yet another sign that physical media is all but obsolete for most movie-watchers" source: The Verge

It's not digital media that killed it. And physical media is not at all obsolete. Red Box is just undercutting everyone w/their prices and THAT is why the competition is all but obsolete, in fact several small video stores I've been to all complain about Redbox driving everyone out of business too. Vudu and iTunes are still way more expensive for renting/streaming new releases at 5.99 and that would be even more of a niche market anyway if the studios didn't hold certain new titles away from Netflix/Redbox for a certain length of time forcing you to either buy the movie or rent it at 5.99 for the first month it's out. There is also the option to get a digital copy from someone who bought the movie and just pay a cheaper amount for their UV code but that is certainly not a mainstream practice at least not enough to kill off the rental services
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