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post #31 of 710
To re-quote my previous post which was the qualifier for my remarks:
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....justify an anamorphic lens with a curved screen for very large (140"+ width) screens....

Any VW1000ES owners can throw up a standard fine calibration grid (squares with the center dot) and immediately see distortions in the geometries as you progress toward the outer edges of the screen. Perhaps not noticeable when playing content, but it's there.
post #32 of 710
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

To re-quote my previous post which was the qualifier for my remarks:
Any VW1000ES owners can throw up a standard fine calibration grid (squares with the center dot) and immediately see distortions in the geometries as you progress toward the outer edges of the screen. Perhaps not noticeable when playing content, but it's there.

No argument there.................intuitively, there is no way distances from the center to outer edge of a screen are equal.................

But in all honesty, I can't perceive the difference.............................call age, myopia..........................or screen immersion...........(shrugs)
post #33 of 710

like this,i think so,Curved screens are especially useful at short throws with a-lenses. Without a-lenses or at long throws, the benefits are small, at best.thanks for your sharing.

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post #34 of 710
I like the name. It reminds me a little bit of The Majestic. An underrated movie.

Fellow JTR owner here. Hope to fire up my Orbit Shifter later this month!

I wanted badly to go to your speaker gtg but the timing didn't work out. I suspect that experience is what sealed the deal for you in regard to the JTR's. Those 212's are amazing!
post #35 of 710
This should be a great build. I'm subscribed and anxiously awaiting new photos. You've got good taste! wink.gif

Not sure if you are going with 3 layers instead of 2 like I did around the room, But it might be worth considering for how much bass your room will be capable of. When my subs hit really low, it can rumble the floor just above and sounds a bit like distant thunder. One more layer may have taken care of that.

I've been really happy with the heating and cooling in my theater. In my personal experience in Wisconsin, I found that in the winters I have to turn on the heat to take the chill out of the room when it's just me. If there's a full room, I just bring it up a degree or so.

Actually, I just checked my thermostat usage counters for the theater for the past year. It says I ran the Heat for 1496 minutes and the Cool for 0 minutes. So it looks like I've never had to cool the theater at all the past year given it's in my basement. But at the same time, I didn't use it nearly as much as I did during the winter.

Obviously, everyone's location will be different...but these were my actual numbers.
post #36 of 710
Forgot to mention. It looks like your sump is on the same level as your theater...so just make sure you've got some backup options in place. In my case, I've got two sumps and a whole house generator. Each sum has it's own PVC line to two different locations in the yard. One year I had the grass cover and freeze over the exit point and the grass was actually filling with water and made a mound about a foot tall by 3 feet around. I poke it with a sharp stick to release the water. Needless to say if both sump pumps routed to that same pipe it wouldn't have done me any good. I also have an alarm on the sumps. It would be a major expense to have the theater flood after all the hard work.
post #37 of 710
Good to know Mario about your hvac needs in WI. My room is nearly finished and it is noticeably warmer in there compared to the rest of the bsmnt. I am in KS and the bsmnt is warmer now that the heat is on by several degrees. I fear that something will need to be done. Will find out soon. Glad all my equipment including projector is outside of room and I really can't fit more than 7-8 folks. I am sure everyone has a different situation. These hvac things are tricky and my fingers are crossed.
post #38 of 710
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

I like the name. It reminds me a little bit of The Majestic. An underrated movie.

Fellow JTR owner here. Hope to fire up my Orbit Shifter later this month!

I wanted badly to go to your speaker gtg but the timing didn't work out. I suspect that experience is what sealed the deal for you in regard to the JTR's. Those 212's are amazing!

I've heard the 212's several times and even though I prefer my Salks for music there are two primary reasons I decided to go with the 212's:

1. Salks are definitely not made to go behind an acoustically transparent screen
2. The 212's dynamics for movies are unmatched. After hearing the Open Range gun shootout with both speakers it's a no brainer :-)
post #39 of 710
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

This should be a great build. I'm subscribed and anxiously awaiting new photos. You've got good taste! wink.gif

Not sure if you are going with 3 layers instead of 2 like I did around the room, But it might be worth considering for how much bass your room will be capable of. When my subs hit really low, it can rumble the floor just above and sounds a bit like distant thunder. One more layer may have taken care of that.

I've been really happy with the heating and cooling in my theater. In my personal experience in Wisconsin, I found that in the winters I have to turn on the heat to take the chill out of the room when it's just me. If there's a full room, I just bring it up a degree or so.

Actually, I just checked my thermostat usage counters for the theater for the past year. It says I ran the Heat for 1496 minutes and the Cool for 0 minutes. So it looks like I've never had to cool the theater at all the past year given it's in my basement. But at the same time, I didn't use it nearly as much as I did during the winter.

Obviously, everyone's location will be different...but these were my actual numbers.

Hey Mario - appreciate you visiting my build after answering so many PM's :-). That's interesting to know about your HVAC since I'm still wondering if I should go a full dedicated system for the HT or just go with two zones. Still open to suggestions but need to decide pretty quick. I certainly don't want to fight the theater being too warm all the time. I usually like my rooms around 68 - especially watching movies.
post #40 of 710
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Forgot to mention. It looks like your sump is on the same level as your theater...so just make sure you've got some backup options in place. In my case, I've got two sumps and a whole house generator. Each sum has it's own PVC line to two different locations in the yard. One year I had the grass cover and freeze over the exit point and the grass was actually filling with water and made a mound about a foot tall by 3 feet around. I poke it with a sharp stick to release the water. Needless to say if both sump pumps routed to that same pipe it wouldn't have done me any good. I also have an alarm on the sumps. It would be a major expense to have the theater flood after all the hard work.

Thanks for the tip Mario - yes I went with dual sumps and will also install alarms around them. Need to check for other ways to ensure the one in the HT doesn't give out!
post #41 of 710
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Hey Mario - appreciate you visiting my build after answering so many PM's :-). That's interesting to know about your HVAC since I'm still wondering if I should go a full dedicated system for the HT or just go with two zones. Still open to suggestions but need to decide pretty quick. I certainly don't want to fight the theater being too warm all the time. I usually like my rooms around 68 - especially watching movies.

You'll obviously have to weigh in the costs of any option. But ideally, the theater ends up on its own zone. Given how tight the room will be, you'll want to adjust the temp in there separately from the rest of home or floor. The worst thing is to go through all the work and money and not be comfortable in the theater.

I have one AC / Furnace that supplies the whole house to four separate zones. That has worked out well for me. So in my case, I have a dedicated zone but not a dedicated system.
post #42 of 710
Your theatre should be outstanding when completed - thanks for sharing.

-- Bill --
post #43 of 710
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Couple updates:

1. Projector - I've decided to come out of the stratosphere and go with a "lesser" projector until 4K takes off (maybe a year or two). Plus my electrical and HVAC will be over budget so need to find money somewhere and those things are much harder to change later on. Projector...much easier. So now I'm back in research mode for a projector. I'm open to suggestions for a projector that can throw a 12' wide image at 21'. Maybe the Epson 6030? Sony HW50 or 55? JVC? I have time to figure it out.

2. Speakers - with the help of a helpful, yet wallet draining friend in Omaha, I purchased 4 Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ drivers to make some super sweet mid-bass speakers that will be my stands for the 212's. I needed stands for the LCR anyway so what a better way than to use 18" drivers as stands? I may put the 4th mid-bass speaker in the back on top of the S2 but can leave that decision for after I take some measurements. Also need to figure out the best way to power them....iNuke6000 DSP?

3. With help from TMcG, had a good discussion on all the requirements of the HVAC system with the design engineer. He's going to go back and crunch the numbers so I'll let you know what he comes up with.

No other construction updates...framers are trying to get the roof on before it snows. C'mon snow!!!
Edited by dlbeck - 12/24/13 at 1:29pm
post #44 of 710
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Couple updates:


3. With help from TMcG, had a good discussion on all the requirements of the HVAC system with the design engineer. He's going to go back and crunch the numbers so I'll let you know what he comes up with.

I'm starting to wonder if TMcG is a builder for the "Stars?"

That guy seems to know everything in regards to building, electronics, automation etc................................biggrin.gif
post #45 of 710
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I'm starting to wonder if TMcG is a builder for the "Stars?"

That guy seems to know everything in regards to building, electronics, automation etc................................biggrin.gif

Key word there in bold. Really, it's just the tequila shots talking....biggrin.gif
post #46 of 710
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You should keep drinking then. Thanks for all your help.
post #47 of 710
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With this speaker configuration I would have all sealed designs.

LCR - Sealed JTR 212's
6 Surrounds - JTR S8's
4 PB18H Midbass modules
2 JTR S2's

Is this a good way to go? Could switch the 212's and the PB18H's to ported but they'll be behind an AT screen so sealed is probably best but losing a little output. Would think I have plenty though.
Edited by dlbeck - 12/24/13 at 1:31pm
post #48 of 710
Guess I haven't been around enough to hear about TMcG but I love the title - Analysis Paralysis Analyst. Sorry but I may need to borrow that one day. Love it.
post #49 of 710
12' wide or 12' diagonal?

21' is going to impact light hitting your screen. I went with 17' for my 138" diagonal screen with my JVC RS45, and sometimes I wish that it was about 15' from the screen (17' just worked to keep it from getting bumped by people standing up). Not saying anything bad about the JVC. Heck, the 45 and 46 were rated "Best 2D projector" around AVS for 2011 and 2012, so it isn't shabby at all. smile.gif I went with a Seymour XD screen, so that locks my screen gain in at about 1.1-1.2 depending on who you believe. A lot of people with really big screen go higher gain, which means no acoustically transparent screen too.
post #50 of 710
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

12' wide or 12' diagonal?

21' is going to impact light hitting your screen. I went with 17' for my 138" diagonal screen with my JVC RS45, and sometimes I wish that it was about 15' from the screen (17' just worked to keep it from getting bumped by people standing up). Not saying anything bad about the JVC. Heck, the 45 and 46 were rated "Best 2D projector" around AVS for 2011 and 2012, so it isn't shabby at all. smile.gif I went with a Seymour XD screen, so that locks my screen gain in at about 1.1-1.2 depending on who you believe. A lot of people with really big screen go higher gain, which means no acoustically transparent screen too.

I'm looking to be in the 140"-150" wide screen size range. Haven't decided quite yet and probably won't until I have to build the proscenium.
post #51 of 710
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

12' wide or 12' diagonal?

21' is going to impact light hitting your screen. I went with 17' for my 138" diagonal screen with my JVC RS45, and sometimes I wish that it was about 15' from the screen (17' just worked to keep it from getting bumped by people standing up). Not saying anything bad about the JVC. Heck, the 45 and 46 were rated "Best 2D projector" around AVS for 2011 and 2012, so it isn't shabby at all. smile.gif I went with a Seymour XD screen, so that locks my screen gain in at about 1.1-1.2 depending on who you believe. A lot of people with really big screen go higher gain, which means no acoustically transparent screen too.


I agree, 21 is quite a long way I'm at 17' 3" from lense to screen and I think 4 more feet would really hurt brightness in my room - but obviously that's with a budget projector so maybe it won't matter as much with whatever you decide to buy.

I love the idea of going with mbm's for stands, it does seem like a waste do space to just be using regular stands... Hmmmm.....
post #52 of 710
This project is gonna be one for the AVSforum front page...

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post #53 of 710
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2. Speakers - with the help of a helpful, yet wallet draining friend in Omaha, I purchased 3 Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ drivers to make some super sweet mid-bass speakers that will be my stands for the 212's. I needed stands for the LCR anyway so what a better way than to use 18" drivers as stands? I may put the 3rd mid-bass speaker in the back on top of the S2 but can leave that decision for after I take some measurements. Also need to figure out the best way to power them....iNuke6000 DSP?

Update to an earlier post - decided to purchase one more PB18H+ driver so I have an even 4. That will give me 8 18" drivers in the room so should have plenty of output below 100Hz. :-)
post #54 of 710
PB18H+ drivers could be powered by the iNuke NU4-6000.

That would give each driver about 900 watts peak at 4ohm
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU4-6000.aspx

I don't see how you'd need any more than that since the two S2's will be handling the low, energy hungry frequencies.

It's street price is $550ish - but you can probably find a better deal if you shop around or come across a coupon. There is a seller on ebay named unique_squared_inc, that takes offers on equipment and sells cheap. There are guys getting iNuke DSP 3000 amps for $240 range shipped from them. That's the same company I bought my Crown XLS-5000 from a couple years back - but at the time I don't think they were an ebay presence - just a website.

Otherwise, tell DesertDome to sell you his four channel Face amp he isn't using right now. wink.gif
post #55 of 710
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PB18H+ drivers could be powered by the iNuke NU4-6000.
He should use a pair of iNuke NU6000s instead. I don't like leaving headroom on the table (or floor). biggrin.gif

Unique Squared had some NU6000's on ebay a few weeks ago, but I don't see any today.
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Otherwise, tell DesertDome to sell you his four channel Face amp he isn't using right now. wink.gif
I still have two channels that cut out for second every half hour or so. The local place couldn't fix it and I haven't sent it out. I need to buy four Speakons so I can hook it to my surrounds. In real use with the surrounds, I doubt I could detect the cut out.
post #56 of 710
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I'm working on the rear placement of the second JTR S2 and probably one of the MBM's on top of it. Looking for input...

So up front behind the screen I'll have 3 JTR 212's, 3 PB18H MBM's and 1 S2. In the back, the plan is to have 1 S2 and 1 PB18H. If you look at my "top down" schematic, you will see a box in the equipment room labeled speaker box. Note that the rear of the room will be on a 2' riser and the wall separating the equipment room will be double drywall & GG. I'm concerned about all the bass settling in the back of the room and getting back in the equipment room. So, the S2 and PB18H will be hidden by AT material and I was going to notch out an area in the equipment room to isolate for these 2 speakers. I would like to isolate this platform from the riser in the main room to minimize vibration like you do with a stage similar to this picture:



Any input on this plan? Clear as mud?

See top down view and location of the isolated speaker platform that is notched out in the equipment room.

HTtopview11.20.pdf 37k .pdf file
post #57 of 710
Build the recessed portion when you build the shell of the theater. Build a stand completely detached from the riser, but at the same height - Serenity Mat or Acourtik Mat underneath, filled to the top with sand and then three layers with Green Glue in between. The sound from the speakers in this little nook will act no differently than if they were free-standing in the room. I would even argue the impact would be less since the acoustic energy is facing into the room and thus away from the equipment closet.
Edited by TMcG - 11/22/13 at 11:49am
post #58 of 710
dlbeck,

Just snuck a peak at your pdf layout - this is going to be one fantastic space !!
post #59 of 710
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Couple updates:

I decided to order the Epson 6030 projector and should be picking that up in a few weeks. A little disappointed it's not the Sony but definitely the smarter move for now.

Found a pretty good deal on a Torus Isolation Transformer on the gon as well. I wanted to make sure I have as low as noise floor as possible especially with the super efficient JTR's so I've kept my eyes open for an isolation transformer.

Met with the builder yesterday and worked out some more details on the construction of the stage and the rear wall between the main area and the equipment room. Hopefully got the rear sub/MBM closet details figured out with an isolated platform.

Visited Royal Flooring and looked at carpet and different color combinations. Remember the model theater has red fabric and everything else is black. My HT chairs are already brown so hoping to go with a dark brown for the room. Also a lot more choices in dark brown carpet than black. So a dark brown on the walls and columns perhaps but struggling with the fabric color. GOM has a nice cobalt color in the Anchorage line that looks pretty good paired up with Sherwin Williams velvet brown which almost looks black. Input is greatly appreciated - any interior designers on AVS?

Here's a pic of the model theater so where he has black I will have dark brown and where he has red I'll have dark blue.

post #60 of 710
In the movie "Now You See Me," FBI agent Dylan Rhodes is handed a flyer for the second performance of the The Four Horseman. It takes place on Feb 28 at 8 PM at the Savoy Theater. This is dlbeck's second "theater" and he wants to have it finished by that night. Dlbeck's The Savoy also features four horsemen and will have a little bit of magic. cool.gif



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