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Xbox One Kinect Extender

post #1 of 282
Thread Starter 
I searched the forum for a discussion on this and came up with nothing. I'm sure a lot of us have home theaters with components setup in back room closets. So, I want to ask if anyone has heard of an extension cable for the Xbox One Kinect 2?

Also, for those who have projection home theaters with Xbox 360s and Kinects now, does the kinder work better positioned above or below the projection screen?
Edited by citsur86 - 11/25/13 at 10:36am
post #2 of 282
There are no concrete plans revealed about an extender. Only that they're working on it and do not have plans to reveal yet. it is a standard USB 3.0 cable but with a custom connector.

As for the location of the Kinect, it depends on your setup. You want the Kinect at least 3 feet high or below 9 feet. Optimally, you would like 4 - 8 feet. Performance depends on the field of view so the better you can get the Kinect toward the middle, the better. If you want optimal performance, it needs to see from the floor to the top of the person so plan appropriately. People have put the Kinect above the projection screen and below. Again, it really depends on how your setup is.
post #3 of 282
How long is the cable for the Kinect in the XBOne?
post #4 of 282
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

There are no concrete plans revealed about an extender. Only that they're working on it and do not have plans to reveal yet. it is a standard USB 3.0 cable but with a custom connector.

As for the location of the Kinect, it depends on your setup. You want the Kinect at least 3 feet high or below 9 feet. Optimally, you would like 4 - 8 feet. Performance depends on the field of view so the better you can get the Kinect toward the middle, the better. If you want optimal performance, it needs to see from the floor to the top of the person so plan appropriately. People have put the Kinect above the projection screen and below. Again, it really depends on how your setup is.

Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

How long is the cable for the Kinect in the XBOne?

I believe it comes with a 3 meter long Kinect cable.
post #5 of 282
only sublime, when they say that the kinect is an IR blaster, that means everything it is going to control (through voice, gestures, etc) has be in the same room as the kinect, right?

For example, when you say "xbox turn it to espn," it will only work when the cable box is in the same room as the kinect, correct?

So even if there is an extender that will allow us to hook up kinect to a media closet, we still wont be able to use some of the main features.
post #6 of 282
Yes, if the device is not in the same room as the Kinect, chances are that the Kinect cannot control it. In that situation, the Xbox One has a traditional IR port to plug in a traditional IR blaster. Of course, IR blasters come in all lengths, 5 ft, 25 ft, 50 ft, etc.

But in terms of controlling the Xbox One, that's not done via IR blasting but via the USB 3.0 cable. IR blasting is for your AV devices.
post #7 of 282
Did anyone hear anything about the max range of the new Kinect? The only thing I've been able to find is that it has a wider FoV and the minimum distance is a bit less, but I'm curious how it's going to work with me sitting on the sofa 15' away, and not standing 5' in front of it. I have the one for the 360, but it doesn't work that great at this range. It would be cool to at least be able to use the head tracking features in games like Battlefield and maybe Forza.
post #8 of 282
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mcolts View Post

only sublime, when they say that the kinect is an IR blaster, that means everything it is going to control (through voice, gestures, etc) has be in the same room as the kinect, right?

For example, when you say "xbox turn it to espn," it will only work when the cable box is in the same room as the kinect, correct?

So even if there is an extender that will allow us to hook up kinect to a media closet, we still wont be able to use some of the main features.

Our setup has an IR repeater In the main room which is linked back to the closet and then split out to all devices. So in my case all the features would work because the IR signal out of the kinect would go into the IR repeater which is routed through to the closet and then blasted out to the cable box.
post #9 of 282
I have a projector setup and low-profile media console that houses all my components. Would it be ok for the kinect to sit in the media console about 6-8in high? or do you think i should put it on top of my media console/above my center channel?

my media console is the BDI Avion II - it has tinted IR glass - would the kinect be ok sitting behind this IR glass?
post #10 of 282
My media center is located 5 feet directly behind my sofa with the screen around 7 feet in front of the sofa. I've nearly opted for a PS4 to get around this hurdle but Forza looks amazing. It would be cool if the kinect had a mirror mode so you could put the unit behind you and have it invert your movements, though likely not possible. Has anyone discovered a a feasible option for placement yet?
post #11 of 282
I'm trying to cobble something together with usb3 active extenders I'll create a new thread if I'm successful

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post #12 of 282
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that's not your Kinect cable is it???
post #13 of 282
Yes it is and as we all suspected its a standard usb3 cable with a few extra goodies.(12 volt power and ground for the kinect) and another wire which I believe is another ground. I'm heading out of town for the night and won't be able to play with it until tomorrow night.
post #14 of 282

This is exactly what I thought about doing.....

 

However, the only thing stopping me feeding the cable through the trunking in my wall is the large cylinder thing next to the connector, I think its something to do with magnetic shielding?

 

Do you know if it can be removed? It would save me cutting a brand new cable in two!

 

Mel

post #15 of 282
Is it a ferite core, like this?



If so, it should be safe to remove it and re-attach it. There may just be a couple of clips or screws holding it clamped onto the cable.
post #16 of 282

yes just like that, it appears to be moulded on..

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post #18 of 282

I just bought the XBone today, and am tempted to tear mine apart too, as I have a component closet about 30 wire feet away from my screen...

There might be a way to hack the port on the XBone and fashion some sort of active USB 3.0 extension for it.

It is USB 3.0 for sure, but the extra two wires shown in kylenewmans photo I'm not sure about.
If they aren't simple power, then it's going to be a game to see if they can be reliably extended.
My hope is that they are extra power which can easily be injected.
If it's data, then I guess we just add wire length and see if it freaks out or not.

Attached is a picture of the Kinect 2.0 connector.

You can see that it has 5 connections in the small 'slot'. That is actually a reflection of the pins which are on the other 'bottom' side as we are looking at it here.
What I can't really show here is that the four connections in the large 'slot' are actually eight (8) connections, four on top and four on bottom.

So that makes a total of 13, or two more than in kylenewman's photo of the inside of the cable...

I can't find anywhere on the internet that shows the actual pinout for it of course.

Again I'm guessing, but at least four of the larger connectors are probably the four data lines for USB 3.0 that allow it to go up to 5Gbps.
Maybe they obfuscated that large slot wire positions intentionally at 8 to confuse hackers, lol!

The size of the larger slot is about the same size of a USB 'slot' MINUS the blue plastic. So inserting a regular USB is a no-go.
It's going to have to be a wire hack job injected in the cable itself between the sensor and the connector until a real extender cable materializes.

I'm no EE so I don't have tools to test the actual signal with either frown.gif

Any further ideas??
Edited by Sterling - 11/22/13 at 8:42pm
post #19 of 282
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Originally Posted by lmychajluk View Post

Is it a ferite core, like this?



If so, it should be safe to remove it and re-attach it. There may just be a couple of clips or screws holding it clamped onto the cable.

It is fused together, slightly malleable.

It LOOKS like it could be removed from a distance, but closer inspection shows it is definitely not made to be removed/moved on the cable.

I'm sure it was put on separate from the cable, so a careful cutting down the mold lines would probably allow it to be released from the cable.
post #20 of 282

Hopefully something gets worked out. I know monoprice or someone like that will figure it out. But if I have to cut into it to make it work I'll hack and solder. haha

post #21 of 282

So i've cut away the plastic and its a solid piece around the cable.

 

The only way to get it off would be with a dremel.

 

Sadly i've just tried the cable for size with my trunking and the head of the connector is to large to get through it at he angle the trunking is plastered into my wall.

 

It looks like the only way for me is to cut the end off, feed the cable through and re solder.... this 'should' work right? As I wont be extending the cable at all.

 

Any thoughts?

post #22 of 282
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Originally Posted by Mel Parker View Post

So i've cut away the plastic and its a solid piece around the cable.

The only way to get it off would be with a dremel.

Sadly i've just tried the cable for size with my trunking and the head of the connector is to large to get through it at he angle the trunking is plastered into my wall.

It looks like the only way for me is to cut the end off, feed the cable through and re solder.... this 'should' work right? As I wont be extending the cable at all.

Any thoughts?

Gahh, that sucks.

I would think that careful soldering of the cables back together should be fine.

The scary thing is there is no apparent way to get a replacement Kinect 2.0.
I bought the extended warranty, so maybe if you have that too, you just make it look like the dog ate through it and have them replace it?? Lol!
Then again that's probably not covered in the warranty...
post #23 of 282

Yeah thats my worry, if I ruin it completely i'll have no Kinect, although that is thew same position I am in now.

 

Thankfully I have an auto electrician friend who I can bribe to do the soldering for me.

 

Will post back with my results.

post #24 of 282

Well, it didn't work.

 

After everything, it turns out you can disconnect the cable at the Kinect end (which would have fit through my trunking) 

 

oops

post #25 of 282
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Originally Posted by Mel Parker View Post

Well, it didn't work.

After everything, it turns out you can disconnect the cable at the Kinect end (which would have fit through my trunking) 

oops

I feel bad for you, but I got a good chuckle out of this. Something I would definitely do, haha.
post #26 of 282
I subscribed and can't wait to see if anyone comes up with a solution. I have not opened my day 1 edition still
post #27 of 282
Good news is I got nothing to lose as I can't use the kinect with my current setup, and really don't want to run an hdmi to the front of the screen.

I'm hoping to be able to map the kinect connector to the wire colors and maybe begin trying to put together a pinout. I know the mystery brownish orange wire and grey are 12volt power. The brownish wire is positive the grey is ground. The other smaller white with the stripe is another ground of some sort.

The signal wires are standard usb3 color coded so the only question is extending those reliably and figuring out how to extend the other wires which are kinect specific.
post #28 of 282
I'm going to give it another go in the morning.

Some of the wires have foil wrapped around them, is this part of a connection?

Does it need to be connected?
post #29 of 282
Same situation as you. I don't want to run a hdmi to the front.
post #30 of 282
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel Parker View Post

Well, it didn't work.

After everything, it turns out you can disconnect the cable at the Kinect end (which would have fit through my trunking) 

oops

I'm sorry...but this is hilarious...
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