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post #31 of 151
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Originally Posted by rcohen View Post

I read somewhere that you needed an HD7970 for 4k.

I've been running a 7950 since they came out. It does 4K no probs on my Shuttle X79R5 based system. Since I put a Darblet in my output chain, I've not done much with 4K. I now have a bit of an issue with my cable lengths since the were fed under my floors, so I can't easily stretch the main output back to the Denon 4520 these days to test 4K clips or upscaling.
post #32 of 151
I m running a HD7950 as well and it outputs 4K without any problem. It can also handle madVRs most complex algorithm JINC3+AR
post #33 of 151
7770 and no problems here. I will be getting either crossfire 290Xs or SLI 780 TI for gaming though.
post #34 of 151
Great to know. Thanks!

How much VRAM do you guys have?
post #35 of 151
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

I ve compared it to madVRs JINC3+AR alogorithm and madVR outperforms Jrivers upscaling by miles. But you need a BIG cpu+gpu combo for madVRs JINC3+AR

I was testing Jriver and MPC-HC last night. in Jriver you can also change the MadVR setting to JINC3 + AR..... what am I missing?

I like that Jriver can use the media center remote control.
post #36 of 151
MPC can also use the media center remote. You just have to go into options - > keys and select what key or command you want to map to. I also set the red button on my remote to exit out of MPC completely.
post #37 of 151
thanks for the info. I'm trying to see the difference when both are set to use JINC3 + AR, so I wasn't sure what Sander was referring to.

ideally I want to get it setup so it's as hands off as possible, movies in list format, etc. I already have an MCE7 setup with a Ceton quad tuner card that's been cruising along for 2 years now without a single issue. I use 360's as extenders and it works great.
post #38 of 151
Yeah I would think either Jriver or MPC using madVR with Jinc settings on the back end would be the same.

All of this HTPC talk has me back interested in media browser, and it looks like at a good time as the new MB 3 standalone beta was just released. I like their new client server setup and offline media editing, remote access, etc. Also can either launch something like MPC (what I am doing now with their MB3 classic player from within MCE, or use madVR, etc from their own standalone player. Seems pretty slick. Obviously a work in progress.

While learning that app and messing with the settings, I have also begun the daunting task of learning how to rip everything to a movie only M2TS file and the joys of correct playlists and forced subtitles. Fun times. Good thing I had use it or lose it vacation time to burn this week! smile.gif
post #39 of 151
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Yeah I would think either Jriver or MPC using madVR with Jinc settings on the back end would be the same.

All of this HTPC talk has me back interested in media browser, and it looks like at a good time as the new MB 3 standalone beta was just released. I like their new client server setup and offline media editing, remote access, etc. Also can either launch something like MPC (what I am doing now with their MB3 classic player from within MCE, or use madVR, etc from their own standalone player. Seems pretty slick. Obviously a work in progress.

While learning that app and messing with the settings, I have also begun the daunting task of learning how to rip everything to a movie only M2TS file and the joys of correct playlists and forced subtitles. Fun times. Good thing I had use it or lose it vacation time to burn this week! smile.gif

Go with XBMC. You can set MPC-HC as your default player and integrate it seamlessly. With my now over 1000+ blu-ray collection and about 4 dozen TV show collection, XBMC with MPC-HC combine to give you the ultimate home theater front end you can have. Like MPC-HC, XBMC can be controlled via remote.

I'm using XMBC as my front end and choose to use MPC-HC with LAV Audio and Video decoders, MadVR video renderer, ReClock audio renderer, and Haali's media splitter. It's a great looking setup that will impress anyone that see's it. Some cool features other than having high resolution covers and metadata automatically downloaded is a trailer feature for guests looking for a movie to watch and aren't familiar with that particular film. It automatically loads it from Youtube. XBMC also automatically scans preselected folders for new content so you don't have to manually add content.
Edited by Seegs108 - 11/19/13 at 9:25am
post #40 of 151
This is all good info and would like to keep this thread going. I had a long running HTPC thread going a while back before 3D bluray players were a dime a dozen and was using the HTPC for 3D playback.

my Mede8ter is still my primary media device, but I want to start using the HTPC for scaling on the Sony.
post #41 of 151
@zombie10k,

I'd be quite interested in your impressions about how Jinc3 AR compares to Sony's 1080p -> 4K upscaling. So keep us in the loop, please! FWIW, currently madVR is still lacking any sort of sharpening or detail enhancement algorithms. So if you like that sort of thing, sending 1080p out of your HTPC and letting the Darbee or the Sony sharpen that might also be worth a try. Probably neither the Darbee nor the Sony can sharpen 4K output from the HTPC, I would guess. In the long run I plan to add such features to madVR, too, but it's going to take a while until I get to that. However, soon to come to madVR is a convergence adjustment algorithm which should hopefully produce better quality than the built-in Sony algorithm. Hope you'll compare that then, but it'll be a few weeks before that's ready to go...
post #42 of 151
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

@zombie10k,

I'd be quite interested in your impressions about how Jinc3 AR compares to Sony's 1080p -> 4K upscaling. So keep us in the loop, please! FWIW, currently madVR is still lacking any sort of sharpening or detail enhancement algorithms. So if you like that sort of thing, sending 1080p out of your HTPC and letting the Darbee or the Sony sharpen that might also be worth a try. Probably neither the Darbee nor the Sony can sharpen 4K output from the HTPC, I would guess. In the long run I plan to add such features to madVR, too, but it's going to take a while until I get to that. However, soon to come to madVR is a convergence adjustment algorithm which should hopefully produce better quality than the built-in Sony algorithm. Hope you'll compare that then, but it'll be a few weeks before that's ready to go...

If he uses FFDShow video decoder he could use unsharp mask at a low level to get Darbee-like results.
post #43 of 151
The Darbee doesn't ring, though, from what I've seen in screenshots. So I expect the Darbee to do better than ffdshow's unsharp mask.
post #44 of 151
The Darbee is presently limited to no higher than 1080p 60. It is best applied at the native source resolution providing it is no higher than 1080p 60. The Oppo solution applies it to 1080p 60 I think if it is then going to to the SI 4K scaler. The Lumagen applies the Darbee to the source resolution before any deinterlacing or scaling. This applies the Darbee algs to native lines rather than also scaled lines which then increases what I would call artifacting.
post #45 of 151
Zombie would you recommend that shuttle case over a cooler master haf xb evo? I am considering a new build with an Intel 4770k (over clocked just because), the big Noctua air cooler, Asus maximus Gene z87 mb, and Geforce 780 ti. Any reason to go with a shuttle vs the XB?
post #46 of 151
You're going to have to be careful as air coolers designed to cool overclocked CPU are quite large. Most of the highly recommended ones won't fit into something as small and compact as a Shuttle case. I'm currently water cooling my 3770k (at 4.8ghz) but before that I had a HUGE Thermalright HSF on top of a i7 920 that took up a ton of volume within my full ATX case. If you want to go with something as compact as a Shuttle case make sure you get a low profile cooler. Make sure you also have fans to push/pull air out of the case because if you want to overclock the CPU and GPU you're going to have quite a bit of heat within the case. Unless you really want something very compact, getting a larger case makes everything from installation to cooling a breeze. Pun intended...
post #47 of 151
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Zombie would you recommend that shuttle case over a cooler master haf xb evo? I am considering a new build with an Intel 4770k (over clocked just because), the big Noctua air cooler, Asus maximus Gene z87 mb, and Geforce 780 ti. Any reason to go with a shuttle vs the XB?

Thanks, you just found my next case for the upcoming 780 GTX Ti SLI rig I was planning... smile.gif

The shuttle is different imo since it comes with the motherboard and PS already, basically a barebones kit that just needs a CPU, memory, HD and GPU. It already has the built in CPU heatpipe cooler, but not sure it's going to make it for serious OC'ing.

love your plan, let's see it when you put it together unless I get to it first.. hehe
post #48 of 151
Whatever you build you are building one for me and setting it up so an idiot like me can load discs and call them up.
post #49 of 151
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

You're going to have to be careful as air coolers designed to cool overclocked CPU are quite large. Most of the highly recommended ones won't fit into something as small and compact as a Shuttle case. I'm currently water cooling my 3770k (at 4.8ghz) but before that I had a HUGE Thermalright HSF on top of a i7 920 that took up a ton of volume within my full ATX case. If you want to go with something as compact as a Shuttle case make sure you get a low profile cooler. Make sure you also have fans to push/pull air out of the case because if you want to overclock the CPU and GPU you're going to have quite a bit of heat within the case. Unless you really want something very compact, getting a larger case makes everything from installation to cooling a breeze. Pun intended...

Yeah that's probably right. I had not even looked at the shuttle cases.. I just knew Zombie had been using one. Sounds like that coolermaster xb is the way to go. It will hold big graphics cards and huge air coolers. I already have that same Noctua cooler on my current pc and it's great. It's a i7-2600k over clocked to 4.6ghz. But it's a large case and I don't feel like taking it apart so I may just start fresh with a new build. smile.gif
Edited by hifiaudio2 - 11/20/13 at 7:21am
post #50 of 151
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Whatever you build you are building one for me and setting it up so an idiot like me can load discs and call them up.

I think you'd have fun learning another expensive hobby. Then you could build an impressive PC to go along with your impressive home theater.

Doesn't this look like fun? cool.gif



post #51 of 151
One thing to watch out for with that Cooler Master XB is that the main cooling vent is on the top. It depends on whether that works for you.

I was tinkering with JRiver and MadVR last night, and it looks like it was getting better results than XBMC with the vw1000's 2.35 mode. Tough decision between JRiver and XBMC...
post #52 of 151
You can use MadVR in XBMC. There's a simple workaround that allows you to use MPC-HC as the default media player within XBMC. That's how I have it set up and it's seamless. There's a few guides on the XBMC forums on how to set it up properly. You can have the best of both worlds.
post #53 of 151
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Whatever you build you are building one for me and setting it up so an idiot like me can load discs and call them up.

I am one step ahead of you, I already have it setup and ready to go. I know you are a CRT fan at heart, this will be perfect.

I recently converted over a 20 TB collection of movies to 5 1/4 floppy disks. It's a bear to load a movie, but it looks great once it's done. I am still working on the HDMI output module.

commodore.jpg



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That's my Commodore SX-64 5" Color computer from 1983. It was 'portable' at 23 pounds. See how spoiled folks are today with current technology. cool.gif
post #54 of 151
There's even a free 5.25" bay to load a blu-ray drive into. tongue.gif
post #55 of 151
I still like these Shuttle SFF's, it's amazing the power supply can handle this CPU / GPU combo. People have been beating up this chassis with Titan's for a while without an issue.

This isn't that much bigger than a shoebox. 3770K @ 4.0, 32 GB ram, OCZ SSD and the Nvidia GTX 780 Ti.

shuttle.jpg

now I need to try some games, been too busy messing with the HTPC side of it.
post #56 of 151
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I still like these Shuttle SFF's, it's amazing the power supply can handle this CPU / GPU combo. People have been beating up this chassis with Titan's for a while without an issue.

What's the PSU rated for? I've seen peak loads over 400 watts on some 7800 Ti reviews. Even Nvidia rates the TDP at 250 watts just for the card, never mind the CPU and motherboard.
post #57 of 151
It's rated at 500W. I've been running GPU / CPU stress tests and haven't seen any anomalies yet. I have a killawatt and will report back on max draw when I get a chance.
post #58 of 151
Zombie I am now thinking about this case (the elite 130 version with the perforated front), since it weighs half as much as the XB and is half as wide and tall. Then venturing into water cooling with this cooler, since a big air cooler won't fit that case. The big graphics cards still fit. I would get the Asus Maximus VI Impact MB for that case.

I would have to find a quality PSU that is completely modular. Do you or Seegs have a recommended model? Any experience with entry level "already put together" water cooling rigs like the one mentioned? Just looking for simple and effective.
post #59 of 151
I would love to see you guys design a Nascar. Here though you have no design constraints. So why does size or weight make any difference. Its not like the days when a computer and tape drives to do this would have filled a really large room full of ladies tending to the tape drives and wearing white coats. As long as Zombie can fit my unit in his car and carry it with my help into my HT, that is good enough for me. How about bourbon cooling rather than water cooled?
post #60 of 151
Ha. I don't know about bourbon cooling, but you can oil cool.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/hardcorepc_reactor

You dont HAVE to make the pc small, its just nicer to be able to move it around, tuck it away, etc.

I was thinking of doing a rack mount for my MA rack, but I think I want to be able to have a little portability with this PC build.

Is Zombie building you a HTPC (maybe that was said above, I missed it if so)?
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