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post #61 of 128
What's the going price on this pj? I just about had it w my RS40. I am on lamp #5 and couple of more months will be #6. Next month the pj will be 3 yrs old but I am tired of this bulb issue with it. Current lamp at 1,887 hours and 95% on normal mode. Lately have been using high mode as the picture is losing brightness with Iris fully opened. I use the pj as main tv daily with at least 4 hours on nightly. Picture is still pretty good but lamp cost is starting to add up.

Tia,

Ian B

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post #62 of 128
1887 hours is pretty good IMO. I have yet to get 1000 hours out of a lamp before they are too dim for my tastes.
post #63 of 128
1888 hours would even be better than pretty good. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

That's a very generous move from you, in the interests of AV-geekery!



LOL.
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1888 hours would even be better than pretty good. smile.gif

Those are my thoughts also.

-- Bill --
post #66 of 128
Can someone help me find the slot on the included 3D Glasses for the USB cable to re-charge? for the life of me I can't find it frown.gif
Model TDG-PJ1

Thx.
post #67 of 128
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Can someone help me find the slot on the included 3D Glasses for the USB cable to re-charge? for the life of me I can't find it frown.gif
Model TDG-PJ1

Thx.
You flip or slide up a piece on the outside of the frames and it uncovers the connection port. Here are the instructions:https://docs.sony.com/release/TDGPJ1_EN_ES_FR.pdf
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post #68 of 128
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No, I didn't say ghosting is eliminated, I just said that the 3-D is spectacular. In order to see ghosting you have to really look for it and it's still hard to see although it's there but my JVC RS40 had ghosting that was very noticeable.
If I were you I'd hit one of the stores that carry it and see it in action, I can guarantee one thing, there isn't a better 2-D picture out there even if you spent $100K this PJ is mind blowing and words do it no justice. It blows away the JVC's
not by a margin but by miles.

After the lamp issues and 3D ghosting on my JVC RS40, I dumped it (and JVC) for an Epson 6010. I was very happy with that choice too. The Epson was much brighter and produced a near ghost-free 3D picture only topped at the time by some DLPs. And surprisingly, its blacks and shadow detail were very comparable to a JVC. The RS40 was my third JVC and I was a big fan-boy of the dark side, yet never regretted the move. Now I own the Sony 1000ES and have to concur that Sony's 4K projectors blow them all out of the water. It's noticeably sharper with 4K upscaling and high quality lens. The blacks, color, and brightness even after calibration are fantastic. 3D is bright and virtually ghost-free. The PQ is awesome and native 4K from my HTPC is sublime.

If their 500ES is close, it's a winner and deserves high praise!
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Originally Posted by Tim Glover View Post

Can someone help me find the slot on the included 3D Glasses for the USB cable to re-charge? for the life of me I can't find it frown.gif
Model TDG-PJ1

Thx.

Its on the outside frame side on the viewers right side while wearing the glasses. Its hidden by a piece of something that rotates out of the way.
post #70 of 128
I will be posting my Review shortly after the 1000 to 1100 write up. I plan to compare it to my 1100ES. Will be a fun week!

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I will be posting my Review shortly after the 1000 to 1100 write up. I plan to compare it to my 1100ES. Will be a fun week!

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Need a second pair of eyes? smile.gif
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Need a second pair of eyes? smile.gif

Definitely. I will let you know. smile.gif
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Definitely. I will let you know. smile.gif

Great. Thanks
post #74 of 128
Does motion flow work feeding this projector UHD or 4K? According to the manual, it should work.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/30/13 at 7:04pm
post #75 of 128
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Originally Posted by stevenjw View Post

After the lamp issues and 3D ghosting on my JVC RS40, I dumped it (and JVC) for an Epson 6010. I was very happy with that choice too. The Epson was much brighter and produced a near ghost-free 3D picture only topped at the time by some DLPs. And surprisingly, its blacks and shadow detail were very comparable to a JVC. The RS40 was my third JVC and I was a big fan-boy of the dark side, yet never regretted the move. Now I own the Sony 1000ES and have to concur that Sony's 4K projectors blow them all out of the water. It's noticeably sharper with 4K upscaling and high quality lens. The blacks, color, and brightness even after calibration are fantastic. 3D is bright and virtually ghost-free. The PQ is awesome and native 4K from my HTPC is sublime.

If their 500ES is close, it's a winner and deserves high praise!

The Sony 1000ES is lauded by AVForms for its great 3D. Not so the 500/600ES. This is what they had to say about the "little" Sony and 3D:

"From the first scenes on the 3D Blu-ray of Turbo we could see crosstalk, it wasn't excessive but it was always there and depending on how much negative or positive parallax was being used it could be very noticeable. However, of more concern were the backgrounds, which appeared to be slightly inverted at times. This was especially obvious with the animated movie Epic, which has a lot of forest backdrops but it was also apparent on other films such as The Croods and Planes.

That isn't to say the 3D was unmatchable [unwatchable] and the VW500 had plenty of brightness and colour accuracy in its 3D images, which were major plus points. It's just that the 3D should have been better, especially after Sony had set the bar so high with the VW1000. We have read reports of users getting a better performance if they use third party glasses but frankly the glasses Sony designed to be used with their projector really should work properly. In fact, such excuses reminded us of Sony's first 3D projector the VW90 and so did the the 3D images we were watching. Perhaps the 3D performance can be improved with a software update or maybe different glasses is the answer but as it stands, the 3D performance is the only fly in the VW500's otherwise perfect ointment."


Just how accurate is their assessment?
Edited by Deja Vu - 12/3/13 at 6:16pm
post #76 of 128
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will be posting my Review shortly after the 1000 to 1100 write up. I plan to compare it to my 1100ES. Will be a fun week!

smile.gif
With the vw1100es...
1) Can it do a-lens correction with 4k signals?
2) Can it do SBS 3D with 24hz signals?
3) Do 2k test patterns show nasty artifacts when viewed in 2.35 aspect mode?
post #77 of 128
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

The Sony 1000ES is lauded by AVForms for its great 3D. Not so the 500/600ES. This is what they had to say about the "little" Sony and 3D:

"From the first scenes on the 3D Blu-ray of Turbo we could see crosstalk, it wasn't excessive but it was always there and depending on how much negative or positive parallax was being used it could be very noticeable. However, of more concern were the backgrounds, which appeared to be slightly inverted at times. This was especially obvious with the animated movie Epic, which has a lot of forest backdrops but it was also apparent on other films such as The Croods and Planes.

That isn't to say the 3D was unmatchable [unwatchable] and the VW500 had plenty of brightness and colour accuracy in its 3D images, which were major plus points. It's just that the 3D should have been better, especially after Sony had set the bar so high with the VW1000. We have read reports of users getting a better performance if they use third party glasses but frankly the glasses Sony designed to be used with their projector really should work properly. In fact, such excuses reminded us of Sony's first 3D projector the VW90 and so did the the 3D images we were watching. Perhaps the 3D performance can be improved with a software update or maybe different glasses is the answer but as it stands, the 3D performance is the only fly in the VW500's otherwise perfect ointment."


Just how accurate is their assessment?

Not acceptable at this price point, Sony will be, and should be, getting a lot of negative feedback if this is the case. I watched Brave and Spiderman last night. Brave did reveal a lot of ghosting , Spiderman was near perfect, even on the 3D high brightness setting. I wonder if the problem exists with animation
only ? I didn't notice any issues with CGI sceens in Spiderman either.
My audience will watch almost 50% 3D content, most is animation. This will be a HUGE fly in the 500/600 ointment if it cannot be rectified . What rots me most about this is they know this, yet they let it go to market regardless. NOT acceptable to market for use for 3D if it has known issues and I say again, especially at this price point., or any other for that matter.
My HW50ES did not have these issues, it was a little dimmer but a 3D dedicated screen would have made the difference entirely and saved me a bundle. eek.gif
post #78 of 128
Does the ghosting only show up at certain refresh rates? If so, you may be able to watch them at the rate that works best.
post #79 of 128
gotta be honest with you guys, i'm getting a bit nervous reading these 3d reviews after just ordering the 600ES.......hope I didn't make the wrong decision
post #80 of 128
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Originally Posted by piratemonkey View Post

gotta be honest with you guys, i'm getting a bit nervous reading these 3d reviews after just ordering the 600ES.......hope I didn't make the wrong decision

Right there with you! I was just surfing a few of the foreign AV forums and there seem to be a number of complaints involving convergence issues as well. Hopefully it's just a few lemons, and the vast silent majority are not posting about how wonderful things are because they're too busy enjoying their projectors smile.gif
post #81 of 128
I have the VW500ES and came directly from a VW95ES. The 2D picture is much better.

I have tested some 3D out, including The Hobbit, Puss in Boots, and The Croodz.

Honestly, the 3D is a lot brighter than the VW95 was, that is no problem. If you set the 3D brightness to NORMAL from HIGH, and stick with the default 3D Cinema 1 settings, I find there is less crosstalk than the 95. and it's still brighter.

During the croodz, there may have been a few fleeting moments of crosstalk (mainly in the background), but it didn't detract at all. I certainly wouldn't say that the VW95 has better 3D. I'd say the VW500 has brighter 3D with slightly less crosstalk. But those are just MY observations.
post #82 of 128
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

I have the VW500ES and came directly from a VW95ES. The 2D picture is much better.

I have tested some 3D out, including The Hobbit, Puss in Boots, and The Croodz.

Honestly, the 3D is a lot brighter than the VW95 was, that is no problem. If you set the 3D brightness to NORMAL from HIGH, and stick with the default 3D Cinema 1 settings, I find there is less crosstalk than the 95. and it's still brighter.

During the croodz, there may have been a few fleeting moments of crosstalk (mainly in the background), but it didn't detract at all. I certainly wouldn't say that the VW95 has better 3D. I'd say the VW500 has brighter 3D with slightly less crosstalk. But those are just MY observations.

Bright Cinema was much better with Spiderman, I could also keep the 3D brightness setting on high and did not have problems with ghosting . With Brave I had noticeable ghosting in high 3D mode, less ghosting with standard 3D brightness but still not perfect. For brave I used Cinema 1 only .
Going to try several other movies tonight in various modes. Someone mentioned refresh rate, that I will have to investigate as well . I remember with the previous HW50ES Sony there was a refresh that that caused flicker with the IR glasses, ghosting was never a problem.

Just wondering now if the superior PQ and sharpness of the 500 are revealing artifacts that was not visible with the HW50ES..........hmmmmmmmm?
post #83 of 128
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Bright Cinema was much better with Spiderman, I could also keep the 3D brightness setting on high and did not have problems with ghosting . With Brave I had noticeable ghosting in high 3D mode, less ghosting with standard 3D brightness but still not perfect. For brave I used Cinema 1 only .
Going to try several other movies tonight in various modes. Someone mentioned refresh rate, that I will have to investigate as well . I remember with the previous HW50ES Sony there was a refresh that that caused flicker with the IR glasses, ghosting was never a problem.

Just wondering now if the superior PQ and sharpness of the 500 are revealing artifacts that was not visible with the HW50ES..........hmmmmmmmm?

If the artifacts you are referring to are related to X-talk or ghosting then I wouldn't agree. DLP is virtually ghost-free. I have compared numerous titles back and forth between a 3D DLP projector and my 3D Epson 5020 (LCD) and the DLP is ghost-free while the Epson sometimes shows light ghosting. It is not the source. The problem is with the technology and it needs to be fixed in order to bring it up to the ghost-free level of 3D DLP.
post #84 of 128
I can't speak to any previous recent Sony or the 500/600ES. I only have the 1000ES and my last Sony was the Ruby years ago. 3D looks great on the 1000ES. I believe the consensus is use Reference and BT709 for optimal PQ. Before judging any projector PQ in 2D or 3D, it should be calibrated or at least configured for optimal PQ. Do a search in the 1000ES thread for "Reference" and you should see posts concerning calibration for the 1000ES. I suspect that these would also apply to the 500/600 model and a great starting point. Once that's done, see if ghosting is still a major issue. It also bother some more than others and some source material is more troublesome than others.
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

If the artifacts you are referring to are related to X-talk or ghosting then I wouldn't agree. DLP is virtually ghost-free. I have compared numerous titles back and forth between a 3D DLP projector and my 3D Epson 5020 (LCD) and the DLP is ghost-free while the Epson sometimes shows light ghosting. It is not the source. The problem is with the technology and it needs to be fixed in order to bring it up to the ghost-free level of 3D DLP.

Yes, the artifacts I am referring to are X-talk or ghosting which are one of the same, also referred to as crosstalk, cross talk, cross-talk , ghosting, leakage, extinction, 3d contrast and bleed through .

DLP is the best at eliminating ghosting but saying that my Sony HW50ES was near 100% ghost free and I watched a lot of 3D. Playing Brave last night with my 500/600 it was visible most of the time, very, very distracting and disappointing . Like I said
lowering the 3D brightness setting to standard would help . Now if you are blaming the PJ and not the source for ghosting issues then why is Spiderman 100% ghost free on the same 500ES, even with a high 3D setting ? Something else is at play here
so I will continue to do some less than scientific trials and maybe, if lucky, figure it out. tongue.gif
Edited by roxiedog13 - 12/4/13 at 11:47am
post #86 of 128
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

Yes, the artifacts I am referring to are X-talk or ghosting which are one of the same, also referred to as crosstalk, cross talk, cross-talk , ghosting, leakage, extinction, 3d contrast and bleed through .

DLP is the best at eliminating ghosting but saying that my Sony HW50ES was near 100% ghost free and I watched a lot of 3D. Playing Brave last night with my 500/600 it was visible most of the time, very, very distracting and disappointing . Like I said
lowering the 3D brightness setting to standard would help . Now if you are blaming the PJ and not the source for ghosting issues then why is Spiderman 100% ghost free on the same 500ES, even with a high 3D setting ? Something else is at play here
so I will continue to do some less than scientific trials and maybe, if lucky, figure it out. tongue.gif

Its not the source, just because some movie show almost none and others show more, doesn't mean the projector is not at fault. Its the technology and DLP projectors are better at it, no matter at what price point. The $25,000 Sony shows some ghosting, while a $400 DLP projector does not. I know your projector cost a lot, but something will have to be done with the technology first to get ghost free,flicker free 3D
post #87 of 128
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Originally Posted by rcohen View Post

With the vw1100es...
1) Can it do a-lens correction with 4k signals?
2) Can it do SBS 3D with 24hz signals?
3) Do 2k test patterns show nasty artifacts when viewed in 2.35 aspect mode?






If you use the 2.35 ( or 1.85 ) zoom mode ( aka use the full panel = 4096x2160 ) you will have nonlinear scaling and that will of course give artifacts, if you look at high resolution test patterns like 1 or 2 pixels on/off patterns.

Dont want that - use the "normal" mode ( 3840x2160 ) wich fits perfect ( 4:1 ) to 1080P and then the 1 or 2 pixels on/off patterns will look correct.
Thats not to blame the projector or scaling IMO


dj
post #88 of 128
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

I have the VW500ES and came directly from a VW95ES. The 2D picture is much better.

I have tested some 3D out, including The Hobbit, Puss in Boots, and The Croodz.

Honestly, the 3D is a lot brighter than the VW95 was, that is no problem. If you set the 3D brightness to NORMAL from HIGH, and stick with the default 3D Cinema 1 settings, I find there is less crosstalk than the 95. and it's still brighter.

During the croodz, there may have been a few fleeting moments of crosstalk (mainly in the background), but it didn't detract at all. I certainly wouldn't say that the VW95 has better 3D. I'd say the VW500 has brighter 3D with slightly less crosstalk. But those are just MY observations.

Well, I'm going to try The Croods and The Hobbit tonight in the settings you used to see how I feel . Maybe you should try the latest Spiderman, on my 500 it had no ghosting, in bright cinema mode and 3d brightness set to high. 3D with Spiderman was nearly as good as the 2D version.
Also try Brave in 3D, for me it was terrible especially in 3D high setting.
post #89 of 128
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Originally Posted by Verbow View Post

Right there with you! I was just surfing a few of the foreign AV forums and there seem to be a number of complaints involving convergence issues as well. Hopefully it's just a few lemons, and the vast silent majority are not posting about how wonderful things are because they're too busy enjoying their projectors smile.gif





?

can you elaborate a little bit more ( I sure hope that it is not some people, who just turn on the projector, then look at the convergence, say" ohh its way off, then they go adjust it and a 1/2 hour later ( when the elektronic has stabilized ) they look Again a say" WTF it has moved Again and is off Again - there is something wrong with my projector........rolleyes.gif ( no there is not, this is normal behavior )


dj
Edited by d.j. - 12/4/13 at 12:38pm
post #90 of 128
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

If you use the 2.35 ( or 1.85 ) zoom mode ( aka use the full panel = 4096x2160 ) you will have nonlinear scaling and that will of course give artifacts, if you look at high resolution test patterns like 1 or 2 pixels on/off patterns.

Dont want that - use the "normal" mode ( 3840x2160 ) wich fits perfect ( 4:1 ) to 1080P and then the 1 or 2 pixels on/off patterns will look correct.
Thats not to blame the projector or scaling IMO


dj
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