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post #91 of 157
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Originally Posted by dschulz View Post

The maximum channel count for the home version of Auro-3D will be 13.1 - the 7.1 bed that we all know and love, L, C, R, LS and RS height channels, and a mono overhead channel. This implementation will be supported in the Datasat processors that incorporate Auro decoding.

That is not my understanding. Over at AVForums (UK), Neil Davidson was very clear that Auro 13.1 set-up is 6,6,1 meaning a single back surround with a single back height and VOG in addition to the standard 5.1 plus their respective heights. If the content is 7.1 the two back surrounds would be "mono'd".

http://www.avforums.com/threads/datasat-rs20i-processor.1625856/page-32#post-19671213

BTW, Auro technologies was kind enough to let me know that other processors (than the Datasat and the Storm) will follow, but they are (understandably) bound to keep names and dates to themselves. After those, the stand-alone (add-on) Auro processor will follow.

Me, I am completing a HT build in the next five months in which I will install only the plain five speakers plus two subs. But everything is conceived to route for more speakers anywhere the chosen multi-speaker format directs... 13.1? Let's have it!
post #92 of 157
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Originally Posted by erwinfrombelgium View Post

That is not my understanding. Over at AVForums (UK), Neil Davidson was very clear that Auro 13.1 set-up is 6,6,1 meaning a single back surround with a single back height and VOG in addition to the standard 5.1 plus their respective heights. If the content is 7.1 the two back surrounds would be "mono'd".

http://www.avforums.com/threads/datasat-rs20i-processor.1625856/page-32#post-19671213

BTW, Auro technologies was kind enough to let me know that other processors (than the Datasat and the Storm) will follow, but they are (understandably) bound to keep names and dates to themselves. After those, the stand-alone (add-on) Auro processor will follow.

Me, I am completing a HT build in the next five months in which I will install only the plain five speakers plus two subs. But everything is conceived to route for more speakers anywhere the chosen multi-speaker format directs... 13.1? Let's have it!
Neill Davidson is misinformed. DSchultz is correct on the Auro-3D 13.1 configuration.
Auro-11.1 is 5.1 lower ( L, C, R behind the screen and L Surround, Right Surround) the 5.0 Height ( L, C, R Height behind the screen and Left Surround Height, Right Surround Height) and Mono VOG.
The 13.1 is the same configuration EXCEPT you get a 7.1 lower bed, a 5.0 Height configured the same as the 11.1 and a mono VOG.
post #93 of 157
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

Neill Davidson is misinformed. DSchultz is correct on the Auro-3D 13.1 configuration.

The 13.1 is the same configuration EXCEPT you get a 7.1 lower bed, a 5.0 Height configured the same as the 11.1 and a mono VOG.

I sure hope this is the case. You will have won me over and I would be quite a heavy supporter of Auro3D if you guys can keep the 'standard' 7.1 layout in addition to your height scheme.

I NEED your 13.1 at home. Preferably with an option to upmix any 2,5 and 7.1 to Auro3D 13.1 audio.
post #94 of 157
Barco and|or Auro Technologies have gone through a few "terminology changes" in recent years. Originally, the Auro 11.1 A new dimension in cinema sound document on the Barco website read:
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The Auro-3D speaker layout 9.1 up till 11.1 is based on the 5.1 Standard
  • 9.1 Auro-3D: + 4 height channels (one above each corner speaker / array)
  • 10.1 Auro-3D: + 5 height channels (+TS = “Voice of God” channel)
  • 11.1 Auro-3D: + 6 height channels (+ Height Center)

The Auro-3D speaker layout 12.1 up till 13.1 is based on the 6.1 or 7.1 Standard
  • 12.1 Auro-3D = 11.1 Auro-3D + Rear Center (6.1)
  • 13.1 Auro-3D = 12.1 Auro-3D + Height Rear Center

However, the current incarnation of the Auro 11.1 A new dimension in cinema sound document on the Barco website (link) has "suffered" (something like) a change all from "Auro-3D" to "Auro 11.1" and in part now reads as gibberish!
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The Auro 11.1 speaker layouts 9.1 up to 11.1 are based on the 5.1 Standard:
  • 9.1 Auro 11.1: + 4 height channels (one above each corner speaker / array)
  • 10.1 Auro 11.1: + 5 height channels (+TS = “Voice of God” channel)
  • 11.1 Auro 11.1: + 6 height channels (+ Height Center)

The Auro 11.1 speaker layouts 12.1 and 13.1 are based on the 6.1 or 7.1 Standard:
  • 12.1 Auro 11.1 = 11.1 Auro 11.1 + Rear Center (6.1)
  • 13.1 Auro 11.1 = 12.1 Auro 11.1 + Height Rear Center
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post #95 of 157
Quote from that Auro-3D paper (p 5/11)
It is important
that we do not confuse the market with different layouts for a certain
number of channels.

Tss...

Anyway, if I remember correctly from reading the long thread at AVForums, the Datasat UK-dealer's demo room they finished earlier this year is 13.1 as in Auro's paper. Meaning one Rear Center channel based on the 6.1 or 7.1 Standard + Height Rear Center. Hence you get 6,6,1 [6*Low, 6*Height, 1*VOG] and not 7,5,1.

It would surprise me though if the latter didn't work, even if it's not the preferred Auro 13.1 layout.
Edited by erwinfrombelgium - 12/8/13 at 3:09am
post #96 of 157
This November 29, 2013, news item "Datasat to premiere Auro-3D RS20i processor at ISE 2014" on Inside CI (link) says:

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"Datasat will unveil the next era of surround sound at ISE 2014, with an upgraded RS20i home cinema processor sporting Auro-3D sound decoding. The company says it will begin shipping the Auro package worldwide during the second quarter of 2014."

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"Speaking at the CEDIA Region 1 AGM, Van Baelen promised a big push for the new format in 2014, then revealed that Auro was planning to launch its first own-branded processor."
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post #97 of 157
Their website has been tweaked again, from post I made in " The Beast, Unleashed" build thread:
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

This thread made me do some quick research, looks like 10.x is what Auro is working on for home theatres
http://www.auro-3d.com/system/concept/


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Top Layer : Situated directly above the listener. Enhances the realism of fly-over effects by creating a bridge with the Height Layer. This combination produces an enveloping sphere or 'cocoon of sound' around the listener.

Height Layer (40° above the Lower Layer): The most important layer in the creation of immersive sound AROUND the listener. The capturing of ambient reflections in this layer allows Auro-3D® to deliver a more natural sound & improve sound source localization.

Lower Layer (0°-20°): 2D horizontal plane where ear-level source sounds are located.
Home Theater (small rooms); Auro 10.1 (+ Top Ceiling / VOG)
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100% compatibility between all Auro-3D® listening formats have a Height Channel above and around the listener, which is crucial to a fully immersive experience.
This is unattainable with only a Top Layer.

The Cinema (large rooms) get the much more speakers....this brings all the talk of 22 speakers down to reality!

Auro 11.1 (+ Front Height Center)


Auro 13.1 (+ Center Surround & Height Center Surr.)


Basic visual concept:
post #98 of 157
I found these videos explaining helped me grasp more, short consumer version:

Longer technical explain

Mixing process:
post #99 of 157
So I wonder which manufacturer support Auro 3D beside DATASAT
post #100 of 157
http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Innovation/Documents/White%20Papers/HowManyChannels.pdf
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Thank you for this article.

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post #105 of 157
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Very pricey $13,000

Datasat rs20i is over 23k in Aus eek.gif + power amps of course . Something more reasonable should happen when the codecs are sorted for inclusion on 4k bd ; onkyo have a habit of putting in decoders before the software is up to speed wink.gif
post #106 of 157
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View PostIs Datasat the only option for the home?

For now I guess only released in March 2014

post #107 of 157

http://www.auro-3d.com/press/2014/01/press-release-auro-technologies-to-premiere-auro-3d-sound-in-an-unrivaled-package-for-the-home-entertainment-car-and-mobile-platforms/

 

Auro Technologies’ official partners have earned a widespread reputation for offering the highest quality sound reproduction available in home cinema, gaming, automotive and mobile platforms. Some of Auro Technologies’ official partners include:

 

For the uber rich

- Audiokinetic,

- California Audio Technology (CAT),

- Continental,

- Datasat Digital Entertainment,

- McIntosh Laboratory,

- Steinway Lyngdorf (SL Audio) ,

- StormAudio,

 

AND FOR THE REST OF US

- Denon & Marantz,

 

Early February 2014, Auro Technologies will also begin shipping its own Auro-3D® AV Receiver, the Auro-3D® ISSP 12.200D. Distribution is – amongst others – via Sound Developments Ltd., StormAudio, MBS, MMS Cinema, NSHT, MDSG S.r.l., Tasindo Mandiri Indonesia, Mareor, and Stassen Hifi & Home Theaters.

post #108 of 157

CES 2014 - Auro comes with its own 3D Receiver

 

 

During CES 2014, the Belgian Auro Technologies introduced its own 3D receiver. With the amplifier Auro-3D will not only make the step to the consumer, but is it even possible to mono signal software to convert to the devised by Wilfried Van Baelen 3D signal.

The position of Auro-3D at CES 2014.

With the Auro-3D AV Receiver puts it out of the Galaxy Studios emerged now the next step in the development of real 3D sound ( read our background article ). HiFi.nl already received a demonstration of the receiver during our visit to the Galaxy Studios in late December (about which more shortly) and was impressed by the short demonstration given by Van Baelen itself.

 

 

The Auro-3D AV Receiver is on sale at Stassen Hifi in Venlo and needs 14,950 euros.

The receiver will appear on the market in early February and is available at Stassen Hifi in Venlo. had that last year, the first with the first Dutch home theater equipped with Auro-3D. On the Auro-3D AV Receiver has a price tag of 14,950 euro. "We are delighted that we can bring the exciting Auro-3D sound to consumers with our new partnership," says Wilfried Van Baelen Auro Technologies proudly.

Baelen developed Auro-3D from the Galaxy Studios in Mol and presented his first version in 2006. You can read more about the sound of the future here . Anno 2014 Auro Technologies closed on several collaborations, worldwide hundreds of cinemas equipped with the revolutionary system and this year more than fifty feature films, hundreds of music albums and two big games feature the groundbreaking sound.

David Dolby came to take a look at the state of Auro-3D at the Consumer Electronics Show 2014 in Las Vegas.

 
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post #110 of 157
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Originally Posted by sa View Post

The future of surround sound? Auro 3D

http://www.avforums.com/video/the-future-of-surround-sound-auro-3d.10116

Wishful thinking because it is too expensive for home use and there are no theaters in Los Angeles that are running anything in Auro 3D. How can one establish a standard in the industry if it can't be heard anywhere, except in Belgium?
post #111 of 157
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Originally Posted by erwinfrombelgium View Post

BTW, Auro technologies was kind enough to let me know that other processors (than the Datasat and the Storm) will follow, but they are (understandably) bound to keep names and dates to themselves. After those, the stand-alone (add-on) Auro processor will follow!

DENON & MARANTZ it's in their press release biggrin.gif. The question I have is when will that be? I would assume they want to get the high end first then the rest of us
post #112 of 157
Darn. So we are only getting Auro3D from either 'boring' or 'overpriced'.

Guess it's going to be another year to wait.
post #113 of 157
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Darn. So we are only getting Auro3D from either 'boring' or 'overpriced'. Guess it's going to be another year to wait.
The first "mass consumer" Auro-3D capable gear seems likely to be 9.x|10.x|11.x AVRs with MSRP $1299 to $2499. That means waiting at least until around CEDIA 2014 for some specification leaks. And even that date seems a little early, given that we have yet to hear any "serious rumor" of a major movie with a planned BD release 'later this year' which includes an Auro-3D soundtrack...?!
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Edited by SoundChex - 3/13/14 at 1:19pm
post #114 of 157
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

So we are only getting Auro3D from either 'boring' or 'overpriced'.
What do you mean "boring"?
post #115 of 157
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

What do you mean "boring"?

Maybe he means that these pronouncements are enough to put followers to sleep when it comes to Auro 3D or is that Auro 11.1?
post #116 of 157
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

What do you mean "boring"?

A simple jab at Denon. For whatever reason I just think they are ... boring. *shrugs*

And Marantz.... yeah, they are 'overpriced'. wink.gif


Not that I wouldn't take either. biggrin.giftongue.gif
post #117 of 157
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

A simple jab at Denon. For whatever reason I just think they are ... boring. *shrugs*

And Marantz.... yeah, they are 'overpriced'. wink.gif

Not that I wouldn't take either. biggrin.giftongue.gif
Ah, prioritizing packaging over functionality, got it.
post #118 of 157
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Ah, prioritizing packaging over functionality, got it.

Ugh. No. I just mean they bring nothing interesting to the table... in any form*.

Ignoring the "fact" that they might have Auro3D. But you know... whateva. tongue.gif
post #119 of 157
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I just mean they bring nothing interesting to the table... in any form*.

Ignoring the "fact" that they might have Auro3D.
OK, I won't pretend to understand.

If I'm looking for Auro3D in a receiver, then the fact that a receiver has Auro3D is the 'something interesting' that it is bringing to the table.
post #120 of 157
It will be 2015 until we maybe will see a pre/ pro or an AVR that has ATMOS, AURO3D or MDA rolleyes.gif
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