Originally Posted by fierce_gt
my comments were addressed specifically to the ps4... i do think the xbox one has a better chance of being the 'media center' for some ppl.
but i'm still concerned the xbox one can not handle a serious home theatre set up. even a modest one could be too complicated. i mean, one hdmi input? that means it's gonna need some help to handle all sources
I think the market it's driving towards is the people who don't have a serious HT... those people will want the customization and fancy high end stuff. I think they are shooting for the 60% or so (pulling numbers from my ass) that has a few boxes and hates trying to remember what remote controls what and has to call the service guy when they end up on the wrong input.
For these people you have a few major needs: TV, Disc based video, Netflix and Video games. And they don't to think about what box does what. So you only need one HDMI because the 360 covers your disc and streaming media and games and you have a cable box of some sort using that HDMI port. Average joe is not worried about the best quality BR player that decodes the super fancy audio stream and plays at weird framerates. Most people I know can't even spot 3:2 pulldown in action.
But what they DO see is that now I can be playing a game, and my buddy calls and says "DUDE SWITCH TO THE SAINTS GAME RIGHT NOW!" and I can do so just by saying it... and my game just waits for me... and then while I am watching it I can overlay a skype call to said buddy so we can both scream about the blind reff and get all excited about the next play.
Then I can just say "Xbox go to my game" and finish this race - and when the wife walks in the Xbox recognizes here and I can say "I just finished racing, do you want to watch your movie on netflix?" And she can just tell the xbox to pull up her netflix with her queue and start playing her movie all without finding a remote, figuring out what button to push or what it didn't respond and not wondering why her screen doesn't look like it did last time (because it's my profile not hers).
I know you and I are totally fine with all that with our HT receivers, multiple remotes (or maybe Harmony Remotes) etc, we can just pause, switch inputs, skype off our table etc but imagine you walk into your HT and everything is labeled in Russian, and everything is moved around... and every component looks like a piece of kitchen equipment so you can't even recognize it must be a reciever because it has a big volume dial and input buttons, and imagine someone came and hooked up all your inputs differently, and even swapped inputs on some devices so the communication chain is not what it used to be.
Imagine that's what it like EVERY time you try to do something on your HT...
This is the experience of the non tech savvy user... the average joe and soccer mom... it never gets easier. That's who I think XB1 is really targeting.
Not to mention there is no fighting over who gets the TV when her favorite show is on... just snap TV next to your game and both enjoy. I can say for myself I really like having my girl sit with me while I game, but it's not a particularly fun experience for her and sending her to the other room to watch her show splits us up... sure we can easily have two TVs in the same room or something but XB1 promises to solve that problem.
And the TV guide thing would be great for people like my aunt who constantly ends up on some weird preference list on her satellite box that shows all 999 channels instead of the 15 she likes... she would love to be able to say "what's on CBS" and have it show her.
I know that all sounds like a total advertisement from MS, but honestly, they did a good job selling all those functions because I can totally see them working for a lot of people I know.
I would probably not really use them (I don't have cable, I prefer buttons to voice control and I have no trouble juggling multiple devices, what settings they are on and analyzing what went wrong when it doesn't work like I thought) but I'll be darned if I don't see the huge market for exactly that stuff (hint it's the people who are not on AVSforum). It's the very reason Apple is so successful... it makes it possible for the average joe to have a good experience. Not the absolute most configurable best quality experience ever, but a good one and in a very user friendly way.
Originally Posted by fierce_gt
how do you compare the ds4 to the xbox 360 controller?
i get severe hand pain with the ps3 controllers, but not with the 360 ones. i believe it's because of the joystick position, how slippery they are, and the triggers being more on top of the controller instead of behind.
not sure what to expect with the ds4
I have always felt the DS3 failed in 3 major areas:
1 overall contour - the Xbox controllers felt like I took a piece of clay and squeezed it; they took what the DC started and ran with it, they fit into my hand very naturally, the DS3 seemed like it was made with form over function with it's harsh angles and generic geometry.
2: Triggers - the Xbox again took from the DC controller and made excellent triggers, combined with the shape of the controller it was easy to keep a stable hold on the controller with your fingers on the triggers. The bumpers also had a good tactile response. The DS3 always felt like it was hard to hold the controller stable without accidentally putting pressure on the soft/spongy triggers. Also with smaller hands the lower triggers were harder to access comfortable. This is largely due to the sticks being so low and the position it puts your hands in. I found myself driving in GT with my middle fingers on the gas and brake - not ideal. The Xbox controllers were great for driving games and felt very good for shooting games. The DS3's convex lower triggers only compounded the problem.
3: Stick position - think about how your thumbs work... they have the best endurance in the axis directly away from the knuckle, not the axis rotating around the knuckle. As your thumb rotates around it's base it does not trace a straight line, however as it extends and bends at it's join it travels in a straight line. By putting the left stick high, your left thing naturally travels up and down in a straight line well which is what the left stick does most of the time (walk forward and back) and straifing doesn't require much accuracy. Conversely the right thumb mostly turns you left and right which is the directly the thumb naturally travels in the lower position. By placing the sticks this way you put each thumb in the correct position for the job it will do most often in most games. With the DS3 (and DS4) I find the sticks are in a position where neither thumb naturally travels up/down or left/right in a nice straight line. For this reason I often find myself missing the compass points on the sticks when I try to hit dead up or down.
Ultimately I have to say that MS got ergonics theoretically right on the controller back with the Xbox S controller and has fine tuned it since. Sony has stuck to their guns and for me at least it's been an unfortunate decision.
Originally Posted by jmaccool
You are coming across as an Xbox fanboy, no big. However having an all in one magical box that allows control of everything is called a receiver or pre-amp...not a new concept other than voice controls which could be buggy. I can also bet that the X-1 will have issues controlling everything thrown at it, I doubt it will be finicky free as you state, however time will tell. Then again it is a Microsoft product and we all know how well their stuff is made these days.
I am a technology fan boy... whatever seems like the new cool thing catches my eye pretty easily. So I don't really hold allegiance to a brand but I am a fanboy of a certain piece of hardware pretty often: I was an Atari ST, Lynx and Jaguar fanboy, the latter of which I paid for dearly, I strongly prefered SNES over Genesis, I was amazed by the DC and the 360 Dash and XBL experience really sold me on the user experience side of things... although ultimately then I went PS3 due to a grudge against paying for XBL Gold and this round I bought a PS4 because I feel the hardware is superior and PS Plus offers more for the $$$ than XBL does, however really give credit to MS with continuing their focus on the user interaction experience - which I feel Sony is just incapable of or doesn't care about.
I dont think a reciever or pre amp quite compares to what the XB1 is touted to do or how sleekly it does it... a receiver wouldn't let you get game invites while watching TV (can't count the number of times I text my buddy "DUDE I invited you 6 times! It says you are online!" "Oh man, I left the PS3 on while watching the niners game... sorry") it doesn't let you snap TV next to your game so you and the wife dont' have to fight over who gets the TV right now, it doesn't let you overlay skype calls and audio onto whatever you are doing right now... and it doesn't do them with voice controls which honestly seems cumbersome to me, but to many people a remote might as well be the control panel for a space ship. I mean you should have seen the look on this couples face who I did an AV setup for when their comcast box flashed the caller ID of an incoming call over their TV show... it was like Jesus's second coming or something... don't underestimate the desire of the common person to have everything come together at the same time without having to think about it.
As for how it works in real life and how fast the novelty wears off... that's a very legit point... in the controlled environment of their demo video it looks GREAT. In reality? Who knows... and I am not a fan of voice control because I almost always find buttons faster but to be honest there are a lot of times where it would be nice to just say something without having to search for the remote.... I could see myself really getting used to voice control but I could even more see people who aren't very tech savvy liking it a LOT more than remotes. I mean I still run into people daily who can't figure out how to switch inputs correctly.
EDIT To drive the point home on many of the comments I responded to, I just saw this picture on a website
this is the crowd XB1 will appeal to with it's integration and voice control.Edited by Devedander - 11/19/13 at 11:42am