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Suitable Center Channel for Energy RC-10

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

I just ordered a Energy RC-10 pair for my Front Left and Right channels since I saw some great reviews for them here. However, the problem I have is choosing the appropriate Center Channel for RC-10s. The nicely matching center channel RC-LCR is no longer available anywhere (except in amazon at 599$ - very expensive) and so the only options left for me are RC mini cc and RC V5.2c. Can anyone suggest me which one of these center speakers are apt for RC-10? If it is only LCR or Mini cc then I need to wait until someone sells them in ebay as they are currently not sold anywhere.

 

I own a Pioneer VSX-920K receiver and energy rc micro 5.1 set up but I am planning to upgrade the fronts to RC-10 and as mentioned above looking out for suitable center channel. I know eventually i will also need to upgrade my sub to a 12 inch one to match my front and center channels. My final plan will be to use 2 of my rc micro satellites as L,R surrounds and other 2 for front heights and rc micro center as a back surround (that way i won't waste any of those satellites). I use home theater to watch 80 to 90% movies and just 10% music. I am interested to know your opinions and different options. Appreciate you in advance!

post #2 of 21
For matching speakers there is nothing that will work better than another RC-10. Second choice would be the LCR but the other one seems to have decent specs - it plays down to 48hz. Any of the choices you have should work fine - they are all part of the 'RC' lineup.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

The other one that plays down to 48 hz is Energy Veritas 5.2c or RC Mini CC? Thanks!

post #4 of 21
You can get a used pair of RC-10's from ebay for around $200. Probably the best center for your situation.

I used to have the RC-70's and I have the Veritas 5.2C speaker right now. The Veritas Center really is a great match and for HT use it was really hard to tell the difference. It is brighter due to a push at about 10khz but is voiced the same otherwise.

The difference was more noticeable when I forced something that was stereo (music) to play in 3 channel mode. I am not talking about 5 channel mode. I mean when all dialogue of music is forced through the center channel by sound processing. Maybe it was dlp ii mode or something like that.

When I grabbed one Energy RC-70 and one V-5.2c speaker and played them side by side for music in stereo mode I didn't notice much of a difference. The highs of the Veritas seemed to fill in the missing highs of RC-70's and the bass of RC's filled in the missing lows of the Veritas. They blended perfectly. They really are voiced closely. They are nearly identical other than the tweeter. If I do have a complaint is that the Veritas is a bit more sibilant than the RC for HT use and the toning down that spike at 10khz with Audyssey is necessary if you want a balanced sound.

My recommendation is to use a RC-10. That is the best solution and matching speakers is often considered to be superior than a center speaker. Most center speakers are a compromise and bookshelves/floorstanders are more ideal. The exception is probably the RC-LCR and that's only because it's a three-way. Even then it's iffy since the RC-LCR isn't voiced the same as the RC-10. Using a RC-10 will also let you use 5-channel stereo and 3-channel forced modes without noticing any difference.

Also don't get too caught up in bass response. While my Veritas 5.2C is rated down to 40hz +/-3db I really doubt that. It's more punchy than the RC but not really deep. You will need a sub for home theater or if you listen to any music with real bass.
Edited by Porthos01 - 11/16/13 at 12:43pm
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

For matching speakers there is nothing that will work better than another RC-10. Second choice would be the LCR but the other one seems to have decent specs - it plays down to 48hz. Any of the choices you have should work fine - they are all part of the 'RC' lineup.

+1 A third RC-10 is the first choice (even if you could easily find the RC-LCR). Kind of lucky that RC-10's can be found used for such a good price on eBay right now.

Wanna go crazy ... by two pair. Use one pair as side-surrounds, split the other pair for use as a center and single surround-back speaker for an excellent 6.1 set up wink.gif
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

You can get a used pair of RC-10's from ebay for around $200. Probably the best center for your situation.

I used to have the RC-70's and I have the Veritas 5.2C speaker right now. The Veritas Center really is a great match and for HT use it was really hard to tell the difference. It is brighter due to a push at about 10khz but is voiced the same otherwise.

The difference was more noticeable when I forced something that was stereo (music) to play in 3 channel mode. I am not talking about 5 channel mode. I mean when all dialogue of music is forced through the center channel by sound processing. Maybe it was dlp ii mode or something like that.

When I grabbed one Energy RC-70 and one V-5.2c speaker and played them side by side for music in stereo mode I didn't notice much of a difference. The highs of the Veritas seemed to fill in the missing highs of RC-70's and the bass of RC's filled in the missing lows of the Veritas. They blended perfectly. They really are voiced closely. They are nearly identical other than the tweeter. If I do have a complaint is that the Veritas is a bit more sibilant than the RC for HT use and the toning down that spike at 10khz with Audyssey is necessary if you want a balanced sound.

My recommendation is to use a RC-10. That is the best solution and matching speakers is often considered to be superior than a center speaker. Most center speakers are a compromise and bookshelves/floorstanders are more ideal. The exception is probably the RC-LCR and that's only because it's a three-way. Even then it's iffy since the RC-LCR isn't voiced the same as the RC-10. Using a RC-10 will also let you use 5-channel stereo and 3-channel forced modes without noticing any difference.

Also don't get too caught up in bass response. While my Veritas 5.2C is rated down to 40hz +/-3db I really doubt that. It's more punchy than the RC but not really deep. You will need a sub for home theater or if you listen to any music with real bass.

Actually its rated at 48hz +/-3db per energy's website. I use to own this speaker and ran test tones through it, and it could not do 40 so would say that's probably its cutoff point. Still above average bass for a small speaker.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

Can you suggest how to place the third RC-10 as a center channel speaker? I don't see a picture of how the RC-10s can be placed in the center position in any of the home theater set up.

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by stereofella View Post

Actually its rated at 48hz +/-3db per energy's website. I use to own this speaker and ran test tones through it, and it could not do 40 so would say that's probably its cutoff point. Still above average bass for a small speaker.

Sorry about that. I just remembered 40 something so I put 40hz.

@ Achilles I don't think the rc-10 can be put on it's side without ill effects.
post #9 of 21
Actually a vertical center works better than horizontal, the reason for horizontal position is for aesthetics look.


Check this link there is a concrete info about horizontal and vertical center position.


http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614
post #10 of 21
Depending on the width of your setup, you may want to try no center at all. I have four RC-10s in a 4.1 setup and am pleased. Dialogue is clear and imaged well. But my room is fairly small and the speakers are only about 8ft apart.

I do often debate a center just for completeness. I couldn't fit an RC-10 as a center in my setup so I've been thinking about an RC Mini Center. Are these available anywhere?
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

+1 A third RC-10 is the first choice...
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Actually a vertical center works better than horizontal, the reason for horizontal position is for aesthetics look...

The RC-10 vertical is what I was suggesting - it's only about 13" tall. If your space can accommodate that you would have an excellent sounding front-stage.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by TXBDan View Post

Depending on the width of your setup, you may want to try no center at all. I have four RC-10s in a 4.1 setup and am pleased. Dialogue is clear and imaged well. But my room is fairly small and the speakers are only about 8ft apart.

I do often debate a center just for completeness. I couldn't fit an RC-10 as a center in my setup so I've been thinking about an RC Mini Center. Are these available anywhere?


This is another option ,if the speakers image well you wont be missing the center.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 

I saw a rc mini cc just a week back in ebay for around $150 but just sold within a day or so. 

post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post



The RC-10 vertical is what I was suggesting - it's only about 13" tall. If your space can accommodate that you would have an excellent sounding front-stage.

Do you know what should be the optimum space between the Front, Center and Right channel speakers if I use one RC-10 as a center and the other two RC-10s as Front Left and Right?

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

The RC-10 vertical is what I was suggesting - it's only about 13" tall. If your space can accommodate that you would have an excellent sounding front-stage.
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Originally Posted by Achilles2205 View Post

Do you know what should be the optimum space between the Front, Center and Right channel speakers if I use one RC-10 as a center and the other two RC-10s as Front Left and Right?

The "space" I was referring to was enough height to accommodate a vertical RC-10 as a center.

Whether your center speaker is vertical or horizontal doesn't affect the optimal spacing of your LCR speakers in your room. That spacing depends mostly on your room, listening position, etc.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Also don't get too caught up in bass response. While my Veritas 5.2C is rated down to 40hz +/-3db I really doubt that. It's more punchy than the RC but not really deep. You will need a sub for home theater or if you listen to any music with real bass.

 

I already have a 8' inch subwoofer that comes along with rc micro 5.1. Will that sound very weak in the rc-10 front channel set up?

post #17 of 21
I've actually placed my RC-10's horizontally before. They still sound good that way so you could use one on its side as a center.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 

Can someone please answer to my question on the subwoofer? I already possess the 8"inch subwoofer that comes along with rc micro 5.1. I am planning to use that subwoofer in my home theater set up with rc-10s in the front stage (LCR). My room size is 16 x 12 and I am just looking for good bass but don't need a overpowering bass for now. Will the 8"inch sub meet my expectation?

post #19 of 21
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Will the 8"inch sub meet my expectation?

Well, since you already possess the 8" subwoofer you can answer the question yourself.

Plug it in and see how it sounds. Nobody will know better than you since you're the only one testing it in your room. If it doesn't meet your expectations then buy a bigger subwoofer.

What are you waiting for? Sometimes people look for answers from others when they've got the most obvious answer right in front of them...

Try it out and you'll know for sure!
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

You can get a used pair of RC-10's from ebay for around $200. Probably the best center for your situation.

I used to have the RC-70's and I have the Veritas 5.2C speaker right now. The Veritas Center really is a great match and for HT use it was really hard to tell the difference. It is brighter due to a push at about 10khz but is voiced the same otherwise.ttHh8k

The difference was more noticeable when I forced something that was stereo (music) to play in 3 channel mode. I am not talking about 5 channel mode. I mean when all dialogue of music is forced through the center channel by sound processing. Maybe it was dlp ii mode or something like that.

When I grabbed one Energy RC-70 and one V-5.2c speaker and played them side by side for music in stereo mode I didn't notice much of a difference. The highs of the Veritas seemed to fill in the missing highs of RC-70's and the bass of RC's filled in the missing lows of the Veritas. They blended perfectly. They really are voiced closely. They are nearly identical other than the tweeter. If I do have a complaint is that the Veritas is a bit more sibilant than the RC for HT use and the toning down that spike at 10khz with Audyssey is necessary if you want a balanced sound.

My recommendation is to use a RC-10. That is the best solution and matching speakers is often considered to be superior than a center speaker. Most center speakers are a compromise and bookshelves/floorstanders are more ideal. The exception is probably the RC-LCR and that's only because it's a three-way. Even then it's iffy since the RC-LCR isn't voiced the same as the RC-10. Using a RC-10 will also let you use 5-channel stereo and 3-channel forced modes without noticing any difference.

Also don't get too caught up in bass response. While my Veritas 5.2C is rated down to 40hz +/-3db I really doubt that. It's more punchy than the RC but not really deep. You will need a sub for home theater or if you listen to any music with real bass.

Yes, I think so too

post #21 of 21
I use an Energy CC-5 with my RC-10s and it blends really well.
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