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post #31 of 40
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Hate?

Don't have a feeling towards them one way or the other. Just reporting my experience and why I'd not get near the hardware.

Please feel free to do so if you desire.

That is an interesting first post for a new comer however.

Do you not want to know if a person who is posting is connected with the company that makes the product being discussed kk? In this day and age seems to me a little healthy suspicion is in order.

Which is why I ASK and do not assume sir.

VidOn.me is a newcomer in the field of HW, we believe cooperation with DVDFab is very cool, and we are constantly improving our products, to fix bugs, to upgrade. All engineers are working hard to solve problems. Yes, just like some people don't like iPhone, there must be someone don't like VidOn.me, we can understand you.

post #32 of 40
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Originally Posted by kokap View Post

Flexibility... yep, but these Android devices don't support:
1. true 23.976 and 59.94 fps (only 24.000 and 60.000 Hz output)
2. auto frame rate
3. and the quality of BD3D playback is terrible (VidOn AV200 doesn't support BD3D yet, but players with the same hardware already "support" it).

Just got in my AV200 about a week ago. First note would be that the box has a metal frame and is well constructed, unlike the report on the AV100 earlier in this thread. I'm having great results on DVDs and much prefer the interface and functionality over the WDTV Live [which I have online as well]. I wasn't previously familiar with XBMC and it's pretty awesome. Way, way above the scraper built into the WD.

BluRay is as noted before still a work in progress. Some titles work fine, some not at all, and some in-between. There may be some correlation to the sound pass-through as the Dolby BluRays "seem" more problematic. But frankly this is very similar to my experience with my WD and right or wrong I have more confidence in this box's ability to actually get there. My WD experience overall was not good and I've spent too many hours screwing around with the bloody media library and the associated lockups it caused. Not too mention the issues around Blurays never stopping [until you unplug it] if you use the "select desired time" function - which you have to use since the chapter forward function doesn't work on BluRays.

In other words, YMMV but I don't have the experience that the WD is plug and play with a few small limitations on BluRay while the AV200 is an early development project. I've found the Vidon.me folk to be willing to acknowledge bugs and try to be helpful. Each unit has its pluses and minuses. I paid $150 for the AV200 and feel like there's horsepower in the box to get there.

That having been said for movies, I'm keeping the WD online for music, primarily because it will pass through 96/192K FLAC files to my Pioneer that can handle them, while the AV200 downsamples to 44.1K. I know the argument that the difference isn't audible [probably true, even] but I'd still like them passed straight through and not have to trust their digital manipulation. Even here though the WD is a mess as it doesn't properly read IDtags in the files and crashes if the FLAC file has an embedded jpeg larger than an unspecified size - I actually had to send in files to WD to prove that was happening.

And no I don't work for any of these companies; I sell high tech manufacturing gear for semiconductor, PV and photonics applications. WD in Fremont is actually a client.

Regards.
post #33 of 40
You're right that chapters don't work from BD ISOs and they can't from simple m2ts cause that container doesn't store them. If you rip to MKV however, you do get chapter support on the WDTV. I also had no sound issues with the WDTV playing these MKVs (YMMV). I've been following some Android threads cause I think XVMC rules (and I really hope WD gets there with their next player) but as others already mentioned those players (including the Vidonme) don't support autoframe (a must-have!), BD menu support is rudimentary at best and audio has passthrough issues.
post #34 of 40

Thank you, WMConey. We are addressing some of the key issues, VidOn.me Box will get better. Thanks for your support!

post #35 of 40
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

You're right that chapters don't work from BD ISOs and they can't from simple m2ts cause that container doesn't store them. If you rip to MKV however, you do get chapter support on the WDTV. I also had no sound issues with the WDTV playing these MKVs (YMMV). I've been following some Android threads cause I think XVMC rules (and I really hope WD gets there with their next player) but as others already mentioned those players (including the Vidonme) don't support autoframe (a must-have!), BD menu support is rudimentary at best and audio has passthrough issues.

Well, I've read the threads on ripping to m2ts vs MKVs and subtitles and... and... and .... pass.....

Would you prefer problem set A [WDTV Live] or problem set B [the three you mention for Android boxes]?

I think the reality is that the WD box has an ecosystem of folks who "rip-around" the problems while the Android boxes are still developing one. I "touch" EVERY SINGLE Flac file that I intend to play on my WD and that is an amazing hassle. The folks who speak most highly of the WD box have adapted their behavior to meet the way it behaves. They spend an inordinate amount of time "Fixing" the ripped file so that it can play. And apologies - I'm sure many of those folks have automated the task and now its an easy one quick action. And I admire their work. But I just want to stick my BluRay in a drive, rip to an iso / folder and play it later.

Nice to think of the "next WD player" but they haven't talked of it so what problems will it solve? There's always the possibility that streaming wins and ripping your personal collection to a hard drive / NAS is an already diminishing market.....

Regards.
post #36 of 40
The only problem I have to work around on the WDTV is its lack of forced subtitle support for MKVs which I do by manually turning them on. So far I haven't read of any standalone media player that does forced subs properly.
post #37 of 40
But wolly, I like the iPhone.

Typical response however from DVDFab and those associated with it. The problem is I don't like something. Your product is not at fault. I am.

I do not "like" or "dislike" your product. I dislike end users spending money and getting trapped by companies who abuse them by putting out poorly designed and poorly tested products. I only care to alert potential victims of your company's established track record of doing so.

As noted you have put out a product that requires additional testing and based on reports for end users has quality control and hardware problems. BUT you expect paying end users to be your free beta testers so your engineers can "fix" it. And some how you point to "fixing it" as a good thing?

No sir you do not "understand me".

Sad way to do business. Very sad.

Had you released a early round of products to wide spread beta testers for their feedback, address issues prior to launch and then when released a "final" product to market your engineers would already have addressed issues that would be a different matter. THAT is quality.

That is not how DVDFab, nor apparenty your company, does things.

Hopefully I've gotten all email notifications turned off now so I quit getting notified. I'm sure my not liking something will continue to be the explanation for my criticism so not much else to add.

Really and seriously, best of luck to you who have given this company your money. I hope it works out for you at some point.

Why people give you money to be abused is difficult to understand. But they do so best of luck to them.

The surest way to silence a person like myself is to let the product do so. Let a quality product silence my criticism.

Is that happening? Is a quality product speaking for itself and in doing so silencing a person like myself, others who are voicing criticism about these VidOn.me products in the other threads on this forum, criticism in other threads on other forums about this product?

Nope.

Your media player has affirmed my opinion, not discredited it.

I hope folks who are researching media playback devices and in doing so read threads like these think seriously about not spending money on a unit that is produced and pushed to market in the way your products have been.

I also think any person associated in any way with a product should have to make a disclaimer in their signature line so readers know objectivity is suspect.
Edited by jsmiddleton4 - 2/11/14 at 5:56am
post #38 of 40
jsmiddleton4:

Respectfully, in looking back over your posts in this thread I don't see any indication that you have any direct experience with this product. What I see is:

1) You feel Vidon.me doesn't properly credit a third party developer. That seems based on what you saw - or didn't see - on their web site. Personally, I'd be surprised if they deleted your question in their forums as those same forums have some pretty frank appraisals of product performance. But that's just my opinion.

2) You have a serious dislike of DVDFab and thus Vidon.me is guilty by association.

3) You believe, based apparently mostly on #2 that the AV200 was released too early in its development cycle.

One thing I try to remember is that a strongly held opinion is not the same thing as a fact. Your post #37 is a strongly held opinion stated as a moral absolute. Before I bought my BluRay player, I thought about getting an OPPO whose models range between US$600 and US$1200. So I read the threads on this site. Guess what - problems. So I bought a Pioneer Elite. Luckily I missed the firmware update that trashed networking because it was released without proper QA. I could go on - ever use Microsoft Vista? Or Google anything?

Another example is a set of BluTooth headphones I bought online that had incredible specs. Half the price of "branded" products. When they showed up, they were all bass and no midrange - and no tech support response. I posted in a forum that I could not recommend them. Meanwhile, ignoring my "don't buy" advice a group of three or four guys started playing around with them and found several ways to modify the equalization. One worked for me. Was I right or was I wrong?

Bottom line? You don't have to buy it. You didn't. No harm no foul. And anyone reading your posts can surely be considered to be "warned." But no one is "silencing" you as you claim in #37. Folks disagree, but if different viewpoints are not acceptable to you, then you are only reaffirming my moral absolutism comment above.And if somehow you think you "must" warn everyone in every thread about DVDFab and Vidon.me and their insidious business practices.... well,,,,

I appreciate your remarks about other manufacturers / chipsets / players as I like to keep my eye on things. But I'm not getting much out of the constant carping about DVDFab. I've used their product for over three years and can't remember any issues. But I don't push the envelope of its performance.

If we are to require disclosure of company affiliation, maybe we should require disclose of actual product use. Amazon does this and it helps tell you where the review is coming from.

Warm regards.
post #39 of 40
Thank you for looking back over my posts.

My point has been clearly stated. My only desire is to give folks a heads up and not get sucked into this media player. Videon.me is directly connected with DVDFab. It is not guilt by association.

And once again I have no feelings towards DVDFab nor Videon.me and my posts are not driven by feelings.

Thank you for your concerns.

"If we are to require disclosure of company affiliation, maybe we should require disclose of actual product use."

I agree. And I've made it clear I'm not and not going to use this product. Has been full disclosure on my part.
post #40 of 40
BTW VidOn AV200 begins to support BD3D (MVC decoder) with HDMI Frame Packing output. And it plays BD3D almost without frame drops.
See also http://forum.vidon.me/forum/hardware-support/vidon-me-box-av200/1165-blu-ray-3d
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