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post #541 of 885
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

PC's are by FAR the most expensive(assuming you are keeping 'up to date' in order to meet those other criteria)

I almost built a PC in 2011, it was a mid to upper range build that would have cost between $1000 and $1200. The PS4 is more powerful than that build, so I am glad I chose not to do it. The games may be dirt cheap, but that initial buy in can be expensive.
post #542 of 885
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bdXctq7DM

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LOL! That was pretty funny. smile.gif
post #543 of 885
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I almost built a PC in 2011, it was a mid to upper range build that would have cost between $1000 and $1200. The PS4 is more powerful than that build, so I am glad I chose not to do it. The games may be dirt cheap, but that initial buy in can be expensive.

And in 2016 you'll prob be able to buy a PC for $199 that's more powerful than the PS4, but a PS4 will always be just a PS4. There's a steambox for $499 coming this year that's more powerful than the PS4 in many ways. Once you factor out the cost of the OS (SteamOS is free), and consider that there's no sub required for MP, it's fairly comparable.
post #544 of 885
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

And in 2016 you'll prob be able to buy a PC for $199 that's more powerful than the PS4, but a PS4 will always be just a PS4. There's a steambox for $499 coming this year that's more powerful than the PS4 in many ways. Once you factor out the cost of the OS (SteamOS is free), and consider that there's no sub required for MP, it's fairly comparable.

You can't even buy a PC as powerful as the 360 for $199, the only things in that price range today are netbooks, I own one and they are next to worthless.
post #545 of 885
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

You can't even buy a PC as powerful as the 360 for $199, the only things in that price range today are netbooks, I own one and they are next to worthless.

You could easily exceed 360 performance under $199 if you build it yourself. Hard to find a prebuilt with such ancient hardware nowadays though.
post #546 of 885
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You could easily exceed 360 performance under $199 if you build it yourself. Hard to find a prebuilt with such ancient hardware nowadays though.

Now I know you are joking. I've tried the cheapest you can build route before, and I still wound up at $400 without the OS. I could get it down to $300, but it wouldn't play any newer game at even 720p 30fps on the lowest settings.

If you think you can manage it, then go ahead and build a $199 PC that can run Tomb Raider at 720p at a semi constant 30fps.
post #547 of 885
it cost me about 250bux to build a netbox so I could stream 1080p video to my bedroom. that was getting the cheapest HDD on the market at the time with at least 120gb, the cheapest ram I could find(but 4gbs of it), and all the software(OS etc) was 'not purchased'.

it had on-board graphics JUST good enough to play 1080p video, certainly no games, no disk drive of any kind, a weak PS that wouldn't support many upgrades...

I have to agree. if you're going to claim pc's are cheap because you can build one off parts found in a garbage bin, then you should be comparing it to the price of a console that can be found at a garage sale.

you walk into a retail level computer store TODAY, and scratch build a pc that has the same specs as the PS4 and it'll cost well over 400bux. and I imagine one on par with a ps3 would be well over 200(current market value)

I'm sure it's possible, that in the long run if you do minimal upgrades to the pc, 6-8yrs from now when the ps5 comes out, you may only have to spend a couple hundred on upgrades to your existing system to stay ahead, but more often then not you'll be replacing everything by then, more than once. I mean, 2 video card upgrades would basically blow your budget if you're pc gaming to play on the 'best'.

I understand the appeal, and I'd never argue against a pc gamer. but for me, convenience and value trumps ultimate performance. if I can still have fun playing wii games, clearly graphics isn't everything for me, haha
post #548 of 885
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Now I know you are joking. I've tried the cheapest you can build route before, and I still wound up at $400 without the OS. I could get it down to $300, but it wouldn't play any newer game at even 720p 30fps on the lowest settings.

If you think you can manage it, then go ahead and build a $199 PC that can run Tomb Raider at 720p at a semi constant 30fps.

I just did on PC part picker, and then my phone crashed. Maybe later when I get home.
post #549 of 885
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

it cost me about 250bux to build a netbox so I could stream 1080p video to my bedroom. that was getting the cheapest HDD on the market at the time with at least 120gb, the cheapest ram I could find(but 4gbs of it), and all the software(OS etc) was 'not purchased'.

it had on-board graphics JUST good enough to play 1080p video, certainly no games, no disk drive of any kind, a weak PS that wouldn't support many upgrades...

I have to agree. if you're going to claim pc's are cheap because you can build one off parts found in a garbage bin, then you should be comparing it to the price of a console that can be found at a garage sale.

you walk into a retail level computer store TODAY, and scratch build a pc that has the same specs as the PS4 and it'll cost well over 400bux. and I imagine one on par with a ps3 would be well over 200(current market value)

I'm sure it's possible, that in the long run if you do minimal upgrades to the pc, 6-8yrs from now when the ps5 comes out, you may only have to spend a couple hundred on upgrades to your existing system to stay ahead, but more often then not you'll be replacing everything by then, more than once. I mean, 2 video card upgrades would basically blow your budget if you're pc gaming to play on the 'best'.

I understand the appeal, and I'd never argue against a pc gamer. but for me, convenience and value trumps ultimate performance. if I can still have fun playing wii games, clearly graphics isn't everything for me, haha

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't think PC can compete *purely* on value. At least not for a few years. But so much has changed even in just the last few years that PC is going to be a far more realistic option for people who've never considered them before.

I def think you're getting your money's worth buying a PS4 today. I'm just not sure that it's going to hold up as well as the 360/PS3 did for 6-8 years.
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The only reason I see for someone to build their own PC is that they want a certain custom configuration because otherwise it is not cost effective.
Just the other day I saw a HP desktop PC with really good specs for $650. I priced the components from newegg and amazon and the total to build the same configuration came out to $830. So it would cost more if you built it yourself.

Major manufacturers can sell their products at lower prices because they get much better prices for parts because they buy them in bulk.
No wonder Sony and MS can sell their consoles for $400-500 and not lose money or even make a small profit.
post #551 of 885
I thought people liked PC game due to being able to push much higher resolutions and graphics, plus not being tied to Xbox Live or PSN for online gaming. Game mods and other things like that. Another point seems to be less expensive software for multiplatform games.
post #552 of 885
@lulimet

Both Sony and Mocrosoft are losing money on these consoles once retailer wholesale is factored in.
post #553 of 885
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I thought people liked PC game due to being able to push much higher resolutions and graphics, plus not being tied to Xbox Live or PSN for online gaming. Game mods and other things like that. Another point seems to be less expensive software for multiplatform games.

Yeah all of that. The thing that's different nowadays is that it's almost entirely caught up on the convenience factor from the couch. You used to have to manually deal with all this BS like driver updates, going to sites for game patches, etc. The games used to be buggy compared to the consoles, etc. Now everything is automatic thanks to steam.
post #554 of 885
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah all of that. The thing that's different nowadays is that it's almost entirely caught up on the convenience factor from the couch. You used to have to manually deal with all this BS like driver updates, going to sites for game patches, etc. The games used to be buggy compared to the consoles, etc. Now everything is automatic thanks to steam.

Excellent points. The hassle free factor of consoles was always a huge advantage and PC gaming still probably intimidates a lot of people. Lack of knowing you can hook up newer PC's to your big Plasma's/LCD's as well. Content for my tastes still sits mainly with consoles but plenty of cool looking stuff on PC's as well.
post #555 of 885
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post


Excellent points. The hassle free factor of consoles was always a huge advantage and PC gaming still probably intimidates a lot of people. Lack of knowing you can hook up newer PC's to your big Plasma's/LCD's as well. Content for my tastes still sits mainly with consoles but plenty of cool looking stuff on PC's as well.

 

Yeah, I think it's reputation as being impossible to deal with precedes itself.  It's gotten SO much better.

post #556 of 885
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

@lulimet

Both Sony and Mocrosoft are losing money on these consoles once retailer wholesale is factored in.
Yeah? Hmm, I swear that I read that both companies make something like $20-30 from each console.
post #557 of 885
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Originally Posted by lulimet View Post

Yeah? Hmm, I swear that I read that both companies make something like $20-30 from each console.

They cost that much under msrp to build, but retailer markups mean they are losing money on every unit sold. Microsoft loses roughly $50 per unit, Sony around $40 based on the launch teardown and the average markup of 20%
post #558 of 885
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't think PC can compete *purely* on value. At least not for a few years. But so much has changed even in just the last few years that PC is going to be a far more realistic option for people who've never considered them before.

I def think you're getting your money's worth buying a PS4 today. I'm just not sure that it's going to hold up as well as the 360/PS3 did for 6-8 years.

that I agree with. as an example most ppl already have PC's, so it's usually cheaper to upgrade the computer they already have.

I'm sure I could turn my HTPC into a competitive game machine for 400ish(would need a better PS, and gpu to start).

for me, there's still an appeal to having a 'standard' experience. I can play at home or a friends and it's the same. kind of like the chain restaurant vs a good one. when I'm travelling, I end up at mcd's more often because at least I know what I'm going to get, it's the same as the mcd's at homes.

that also means when I suck at online gaming, it's because I suck, not because I'm too cheap to run triple monitors, or buy a competition grade controllers specifically designed for the game, etc. even those pc gaming has become more user friendly, it's still not really 'casual' enough for my tastes.
post #559 of 885
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

that I agree with. as an example most ppl already have PC's, so it's usually cheaper to upgrade the computer they already have.

I'm sure I could turn my HTPC into a competitive game machine for 400ish(would need a better PS, and gpu to start).

for me, there's still an appeal to having a 'standard' experience. I can play at home or a friends and it's the same. kind of like the chain restaurant vs a good one. when I'm travelling, I end up at mcd's more often because at least I know what I'm going to get, it's the same as the mcd's at homes.

that also means when I suck at online gaming, it's because I suck, not because I'm too cheap to run triple monitors, or buy a competition grade controllers specifically designed for the game, etc. even those pc gaming has become more user friendly, it's still not really 'casual' enough for my tastes.

Other than exclusives, the only reason I keep a console around is multiplayer. I prefer to game on a couch, but on PC that puts me up against mouse/KB players, and it's just not a fair fight. Hopefully the steam controller can close the gap.
post #560 of 885
My good friend bought both consoles at launch, so I asked him which he liked better after having some time to spend with them both. His exact words where, "Xbox One, and it isn't close". So I asked him why he (a pretty average dude) liked it better. After some insults about me being curious and not getting my own he said "Ah... first off I can F*****g talk to it" That was the only reason he felt he needed to have. So there you have it folks One average dudes take.
post #561 of 885
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Originally Posted by Chris5028 View Post

My good friend bought both consoles at launch, so I asked him which he liked better after having some time to spend with them both. His exact words where, "Xbox One, and it isn't close". So I asked him why he (a pretty average dude) liked it better. After some insults about me being curious and not getting my own he said "Ah... first off I can F*****g talk to it" That was the only reason he felt he needed to have. So there you have it folks One average dudes take.

He does know that the PS4 has voice commands too right? A lot of people seem to not know that one, don't even need the camera, the included headset works.
post #562 of 885
That's just it though, the success of these products is decided by average people like him who don't do the research people like us do.
post #563 of 885
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

He does know that the PS4 has voice commands too right? A lot of people seem to not know that one, don't even need the camera, the included headset works.

Yes but Sony is pushing/marketing the ps4 as being the best gaming console.. The gaming crowd is what they are appealing to first. Non important gaming features aren't their focus.

In short the consoles are marketing to their strengths. They both do gaming and both do voice commands but the xbone is better w with voice commands and the ps4 is a better gaming console.
post #564 of 885
What still gets me is paying for online multiplayer capabilities, and you can totally thank Microsoft for capitalizing/standardizing on that concept. As a former "master race" PC gamer, this never sat well with me, and now with the latest generation of consoles it's a standard deal. It's like paying for network capability to access another pay service. tongue.gif Even if that cost can help ensure a better back end server infrastructure, somehow PS and PC still lived without it until just recently.

I do have to say that I did buckle and subscribe to PS+ over a year ago because after replacing one PS3 with a new super slim model, the saved game backup feature was a godsend. 1 month free with all new systems is all it took. Since then I've downloaded so many free (and good) games that it's really a great value. (Xcom, Hitman, Saints Row3, borderlands 2, shadows of collossus, and tons more!)
post #565 of 885
The free games are the only reason I have Plus. Quite a few people fought back against the Plus requirement, but thanks to Plus being so good the Playstation fans had no issue because they already had it. The Xbox fans switching over didn't complain because they were used to it. There was no major backlash thanks to this and the Xbox DRM fiasco helped to keep it out of the media in any meaningful way.
post #566 of 885
Let me just say that I will end up with both consoles and I already have a pretty decent gaming PC that I use as well, so I'm far from bias on the subject. However, I will assert that MS completely destroyed Sony on their last run. This time, I bought the One first only because it's more available at this time. I have no complaints to log against it. It's fast, the games look great, the HDMI passthrough works well and the TV app is better than my cable providers guide. The instant on, Kinect features, voice commands, and task switching make the experience so much smoother than the 360 dashboard - and leagues beyond what the PS3 failed to ever do.

I also can't wait to get my hands on a PS4, but until then, the XOne is just plain awesome - just need more games!!!

I even signed up for Xbox Music which I vowed I would never do, but it's just so easy to find and play anything you want just by talking to the Kinect, no controller needed, and I control my AVRs volume from my phone so I can just walk around the house doing whatever the hell I want, barking out voice commands and turning it all the way up.
post #567 of 885
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Other than exclusives, the only reason I keep a console around is multiplayer. I prefer to game on a couch, but on PC that puts me up against mouse/KB players, and it's just not a fair fight. Hopefully the steam controller can close the gap.

yeah, that's pretty much it for me too. it's not that a pc system wouldn't still work for me, it's just that i don't really want to put myself at a disadvantage because i like using 'inferior' controllers. i mean, i'd love to play a fps on a huge touchscreen, haha. then maybe i'd be able to aim tongue.gif
post #568 of 885
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mnemonic View Post

What still gets me is paying for online multiplayer capabilities, and you can totally thank Microsoft for capitalizing/standardizing on that concept. As a former "master race" PC gamer, this never sat well with me, and now with the latest generation of consoles it's a standard deal. It's like paying for network capability to access another pay service. tongue.gif Even if that cost can help ensure a better back end server infrastructure, somehow PS and PC still lived without it until just recently.

I do have to say that I did buckle and subscribe to PS+ over a year ago because after replacing one PS3 with a new super slim model, the saved game backup feature was a godsend. 1 month free with all new systems is all it took. Since then I've downloaded so many free (and good) games that it's really a great value. (Xcom, Hitman, Saints Row3, borderlands 2, shadows of collossus, and tons more!)

i'm with you in spirit, but in mind i understand why they charge, and it's not THAT much if you use it. if i wanted to game online, i'd probably prefer a great paid service with dedicated servers than a poor free service.

the only real experience i have with online gaming is playing twisted metal on the ps3. i don't know if they ever fixed it with patches, but it was very bad to start, and mediocre at the 'best' before i stopped playing. sometimes you'd wait 10mins for a game, some times if would take you 10tries to even be allowed to wait for a game. often it would crash shortly after you got into a game. i bet for every hour i was 'on' i got 15mins of playing time. when it's free, there's not a whole like i have the 'right' to complain about. if i was paying for that, i'd expect better and likely get it.

with the big games there's usually no problem, but some of those less popular ones certainly benefit. but of course the catch is, they have to actually spend your money on the service, and not just do what they would for a free online system and pocket it as 100% profit. that's why my spirit still wants it to be free. at least then i'm guaranteed to get my money's worth, haha
post #569 of 885
Oh man! twisted metal is not a good game to use as a benchmark. smile.gif

Games I've had great luck with free online play are GTA5, AC4, resident evil 5 and 6. Dead space 2 and 3. And the list goes on. All free mulitplayer, still working today, and you don't have to pay to play.
post #570 of 885
Twisted Metal was contracted out to ESP and once their contract was up, they dropped all support. Didn't help that the network code was/is still a mess. Even before the game launched Scott Campbell (ESP) made moves away from console games to mobile. They reduced their studio to only 30 people, so getting it fixed obviously wasn't top priority.

Sucks, but it was mis-marketed and planned, and most likely came in a way over budget when Sony made the mistake to dial it up from a MP only title.
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