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How To Channel TV Audio To AVR 135 Audio/Video Receiver And On To Speakers

post #1 of 15
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PLEASE HELP!

 

Components Include:

1. Laptop with HDMI port

2. JVC-56" HD-ILA HDTV with HDMI input port

3. AVR 135 Audio/Video Receiver with Optical & Coaxial (Digital) input and CD & Tape (Analog) input ports

 

I am channeling a Youtube Video from Laptop using HDMI to JVC-HDMI input.  I can get the Video and Audio straight out of my JVC HDTV.  However, I would rather prefer to have the Audio coming from my Harman/Kardon speakers that came with the AVR 135.

The question is: How do I channel the HDMI Audio from the JVC HDTV to the AVR 135 Receiver so that the Audio can be

presented through my very expensive Harman/Kardon speakers?

 

I have tried the Optical Digital Output from the TV to the Receiver Optical Input port, but I got no sound.  That seems to be the ONLY choice that I can think of.

 

Any suggestions and ideas are highly welcome. :)

 

Thanks so much in advance for your assistance.

post #2 of 15
You'll have to run audio separately from the laptop - if it doesn't have an audio output jack, use an outboard USB sound "card". You're not going to get any output from the TV - the digital audio output is only used for the internal HDTV tuner, unfortunately...

Or you could use an HDMI "audio extractor", in-line between the laptop and the TV, but that will be a more expensive solution - although it may be easier to use.

Jeff
post #3 of 15
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My original post was focused on ideas on how to channel the sound component from my HP-dv6000-Entertainment PC through my AVR 135 Receiver, while the video travels through an HDMI Cable to my HDTV (JVC-56”).  This issue was resolved by a suggestion posted by Jeff and I thank him so-o-o-o much for that.

Finding a solution, or suggestions for this next issue that I am about to log will feel like a child whose wishes are granted by Santa Claus!  Will you be my Santa?

My joy over Jeff's solution was short-lived.  Roughly two days after the resolution, I now discovered that my laptop display unit goes blank or dark-gray after 8 – 10 minutes into each new YouTube movie that I watch.  I tried stopping and starting each movie again, but the condition was consistent: The movie would kick off properly at the beginning, and each time would go blank after 8 – 10 minutes.  This new development totally kills one of my Christmas entertainment special treat of streaming various African movies for my holiday visitors.  But I am not giving up yet until I have consulted my new AVS Family Group.

The question is this:  What is the most cost efficient method to stream internet movies through my JVC-HDTV and Harman Kardon AVR 135 receiver complete with the best picture and digital sound coming through my Harman Kardon 6-Speaker System with Woofer.   The solution may include replacing the AVR 135 with another inexpensive model that can still utilize the existing Harman Kardon speakers referred to above.  The biggest handicap of AVR 135 is the lack of USB or HDMI ports.

Some Options And The Obstacles:

1.       ChromeCast                      My AVR 135 does not have a USB or HDMI port

2.       Intel Widi                          My current laptop is not compatible; the display unit is gone anyway

3.       Next Level AVR                 Will cost a lot more money, and will not work with existing HK speakers

4.       Other Suggestions?

My goal is to spend no more than $200 to accomplish this solution.  Thanks in advance for your assistance and excellent suggestions.

post #4 of 15
That sounds like the power-saving features of the laptop kicking in. Check the "Power Options" in the Windows Control Panel. Turn off any screen-related power savings timers when on AC power (not battery).

As for Internet streamers - the best option for you given the need for a digital output (for surround to your existing AVR) would be either an AppleTV ($99), or a mid-range BD player with built-in streaming support. Make sure the BD player has a digital audio output (some brands have dropped this on the <$100 models and have HDMI only).

Jeff
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks again Jeff for your 2 for 2 outstanding recommendations. You totally nailed my laptop issue. It is no longer happening.

On the other hand, regarding the AppleTV vs. BD, I am somewhat inclined towards BD since I already have a TV. The BD may also open up more features related to the internet, and perhaps make my TV smarter, as the box claims! However, some reviews I have read since picking up a BD (Panasonic BDT230) are frightening so much that I am scared to attempt to set it up. I have a separate thread on this, "Are BD's that Bad".
I really need the wireless feature to be reliable, or else it will prove disruptive and distracting for my YouTube streaming and viewing.

Thanks again for your accuracy and precision in your recommendations.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by CharlieOU View Post

Thanks again Jeff for your 2 for 2 outstanding recommendations. You totally nailed my laptop issue. It is no longer happening.

Great!
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On the other hand, regarding the AppleTV vs. BD, I am somewhat inclined towards BD since I already have a TV.

You obviously didn't look up the AppleTV product... It's not a TV...
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The BD may also open up more features related to the internet, and perhaps make my TV smarter, as the box claims! However, some reviews I have read since picking up a BD (Panasonic BDT230) are frightening so much that I am scared to attempt to set it up. I have a separate thread on this, "Are BD's that Bad".
I really need the wireless feature to be reliable, or else it will prove disruptive and distracting for my YouTube streaming and viewing.

BD player will be just as reliable as any other wireless device in terms of streaming 'quality'. And your question about "Are BD's that bad" is really misleading. If the issue is the remote control design - that has nothing to do with BD players in general or their wireless performance. I haven't used that model with the touch-remote, but Panasonic BD players have generally been very good.

Jeff
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

You obviously didn't look up the AppleTV product... It's not a TV... 

Yes, you are right.  I am totally embarrassed by my previous misconception and characterization of Apple-TV as a regular TV (although that is what Apple would like us to think :) ).

 

After taking a look, I am actually impressed by it, because of the vast library of music, videos, etc that I have on Itunes that Apple-Tv may allow me to stream through my receiver and HDTV.  But on second thoughts, and looking at the product critically, it looks more like a limited version of Roku3.  Apart from digital output and the Itunes library that are important to me, Apple-Tv does not even come close to Roku3 in comparing TV channels offered.  What does AppleTv have that Roku3 does not, in your opinion?

I am also eating my words and fears regarding Panasonic BDT230.  First of all, the remote for BDT230 is NOT touchpad style.  It is a regular remote.  Second of all, the setup, contrary to the reviews I read, could not be any easier.  I was able to set it up and began to explore the device in under 30 minutes.  That’s a new record for me. Although I work with computers all day long, I am not so good at setting up stuff, especially at home!  Another good news is that I was able to feed the optical digital audio OUT to my AVR 135 Optical audio IN.  On the negative side, I think my network internet speed causes the BDT230 to load slowly.  Also, I am not yet able to get the DLNA feature to work with my laptop/Windows Media Player acting as DLNA server.  BDT230/DLNA is able to recognize the users on the laptop (which I consider a miracle –the device is actually “network smart”!) but it tells me it cannot find any files (pictures, videos, or music).  I’d like an input from someone who has set this up.  Also, I am not quite sure of the purpose of the BDT230 Internet Browser if it is incapable of launching Itunes, TuneIn, Pandora, etc directly from the browser.  I am not sure who wants to just surf the internet on a HDTV display unit.  The real clincher is to have that Internet Browser allow a user to directly stream internet content say from itunes, tunein or Pandora.  Or am I missing something here?

post #8 of 15
Charlie, Screensaver is blanking the laptop screen
For audio all you need is a $2.99 - 3.5mm stereo to dual RCA cable and connect the 3.5 to the headphone output of the laptop and the dual RCA to your front audio inputs of the AVR135. Then tell the hdmi cable to shut the #$%@ up thru the windows Sound using the Control Panel.
Alternatively you could spend 100x that much chasing some "digital" solution smile.gif I do (used to) have an Maudio USB external pre amp that had many other features like dual mic inputs, dual guitar/acc inputs but totally unnecessary for what you need which is just a 3 Dollar cable.
Best of Luck and happy listening!
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

Yes indeed, that is what Jeff previously predicted, and you are both right.

 

You are equally right in suggesting that I, like many others, quit chasing digital sound, and settle for the good old tried, tested and inexpensive RCA connection to headphone output.  That is indeed what I am doing now.  But not before chasing my tail, attempting to connect a TV Optical Audio Out to my AVR 135 Optical In in a failed objective to obtain "pure" digital sound instead of analog.  In fact, in an attempt to achieve my dream of feeding digital audio to my HK Speakers, I am now bypassing my laptop which used to be my source for streaming Youtube movies to consider BDs and AppleTV.  Is digital audio that significantly better than analog, stereo audio?  Or is this the right question to ask?  I can almost hear everybody saying to me:  It depends on what you like, or it depends on your listening experience.  I just like the sound of pure crisp music or voices coming out of those HK speakers, don't you?

post #10 of 15
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****** This Is A New Post; I Could Not Get "The New Thread Starter To Work"********


The Sonos/CONNECT component comes with RCA (Analog) input ports designed to accept external Audio sources. Unfortunately the external Audio source that I need is from the Apple-Tv / Optical (Digital) Input to the AVR 135. This is a mismatch, and therefore did not work. I introduced a digital audio converter between the receiver and the Sonos/CONNECT to translate the Optical input before feeding it to the RCA Input, and the setup still did not work. What am I doing wrong? Anyone?
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by CharlieOU View Post

The Sonos/CONNECT component comes with RCA (Analog) input ports designed to accept external Audio sources. Unfortunately the external Audio source that I need is from the Apple-Tv / Optical (Digital) Input to the AVR 135. This is a mismatch, and therefore did not work. I introduced a digital audio converter between the receiver and the Sonos/CONNECT to translate the Optical input before feeding it to the RCA Input, and the setup still did not work. What am I doing wrong? Anyone?

Why are you connecting an AppleTV output to the Sonos? Just connect it to another input on the AVR.

(And the Sonos is new in the mix...)
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am. The Apple-Tv /Optical-Out feeds the AVR/Optical1-In. However, I need that digital audio to pass through my Sonos/Analog-RCA Jacks to be distributed to all the rooms in the house where I have Sonos Play Stations. To accomplish this latter step, I felt I needed a DAC. If there is a simpler or better way to do it, I would like to know. Without the Sonos, I can already stream Apple-TV by itself at ONLY one location. But I need that Apple-TV audio broadcast all over the house, hence the Sonos. Your creative suggestions are welcome.
post #13 of 15
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I need that digital audio to pass through my Sonos/Analog-RCA Jacks to be distributed to all the rooms in the house where I have Sonos Play Stations.

That's more new information... Can't help if we don't know what you're trying to do...
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To accomplish this latter step, I felt I needed a DAC. If there is a simpler or better way to do it, I would like to know. Without the Sonos, I can already stream Apple-TV by itself at ONLY one location. But I need that Apple-TV audio broadcast all over the house, hence the Sonos. Your creative suggestions are welcome.

You're sure that whatever you're streaming from the ATV isn't already available via the Sonos services?

If not, then yes, you'll need an external DAC, and probably one with DD5.1 decoding assuming you're sending sound from videos.
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

 

No.  Sonos does not support Audio from YouTube or even the Itunes Radio.

 

 "..and probably one with DD5.1....":  I did not know about DD5.1.  I simply picked up the least expensive DAC I could find at Radio Shack for about $40.  But the issue is that the setup as currently configured is not working even with DAC.  One question I have is weather to do the conversion before the Apple-Tv Audio goes into my receiver or after.  By that I mean:  Should the DAC be placed between the Apple-TV and my receiver or between my receiver and the Sonos (Line-In) RCA?  Does it matter?

post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by CharlieOU View Post

No.  Sonos does not support Audio from YouTube or even the Itunes Radio.

If you bought into the Sonos system for multiple units, why not use one of the various music / radio services they support natively to get that functionality???
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 "..and probably one with DD5.1....":  I did not know about DD5.1.  I simply picked up the least expensive DAC I could find at Radio Shack for about $40.  But the issue is that the setup as currently configured is not working even with DAC.  One question I have is weather to do the conversion before the Apple-Tv Audio goes into my receiver or after.  By that I mean:  Should the DAC be placed between the Apple-TV and my receiver or between my receiver and the Sonos (Line-In) RCA?  Does it matter?

If you AVR has a digital line output (probably not), you could do it there. But you probably have to do it on the input side. And you'll have to configure the ATV's digital output for "stereo / PCM" and not "DD5.1 / bitstream" in order to get anything out of the inexpensive DAC at all.
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