Fresh off a merger announcement, they are introducing some new products. One is a 2-way to replace the outgoing PRO/SHO-10 named the Theater-10.
We are testing the monitors in our system now, and while Audyssey would set the PRO/SHO to 100-120 Hz in our room, it is setting 80 Hz on the new monitors. The 94 dB rating is based on the lowest sensitivity of the woofer. If we rated it like the PRO's were, they would come with a 97 dB rating.
The cabinet is 19.75 x 11.75 x 10 inches. Weight is 31 pounds net, including grill.
The cabinet has 6 walls around it - both side walls are angled in order to prevent standing waves.
Pictures will be posted later this week, along with listening impressions.
For now, suffice it to say that the first 6 hours of listening tests have had me smiling. They are exactly what we have been looking for.
Pricing: $395 per speaker including an integrated metal grill.
Estimated arrival: November 1, 2013
Here is picture #1 - A PRO-10 is the middle speaker, the left speaker is the MS-10 with grill, the right without grill: Production units will not have the "VComtek" badge, but will ship with our "Chase" badge as seen on the M-1. Also note the woofer. It is ROBUST.
Not much to go on, but this is what I've gathered so far:
They are slapping their name on some mystery Chinese PA speakers, the 'Vcomtek MS-10+': http://www.vcomtek.com/product/Professional_sound_speaker/2012/0525/83.html
"MS series speaker light in weight,easy to install and hang up,ladder-shape design,control internal standing wave.Outstanding for its sound design to make the sound much clear.It applied to small medium-sized conference room."
Here is a picture of the Vcomtek MS-10+ or Chase Theater-10 (outside units) next to the outgoing model, the SHO-10 (middle):
If I'm not mistaken, the only noted changes to this Chinese PA model is the badge on the grill and the speakons may end up being swapped for binding posts.
Like previous Chase products, it's anticipated this rebadged speaker will have claims of being "custom" because of those modifications.
A status update was given in mid-July, "The status is they are not being built yet. The supply chains from many of these Chinese companies are not very reliable. I would continue with a newer variation of the SHO-10's, but my brother is not interested."
By October issues the Theater-10 looked to be resolved and shipping shortly was in need of some good press as folks were anxious to know how they would fare replacing the outgoing models.
An obvious target was chosen, and things begin to heat up:
This is for the ten inch design that would be the direct competitor to the Theater-10.
One gets the kit, and has to assemble the crossover, the cabinet, mount the binding posts, the drivers then finish the cabinet.
This would still not include a grill.
The final pricing AFTER the group buy is over on the Theater-10 will be $350 per speaker including finish and grill.
Basically - the choices are:
1. Spend $267 per speaker kit plus X hours of labor assembling/gluing the cabinet and installing all the hardware, then purchasing the paint for the finish with another Y hours of labor for the finished product.
2. Spend $350 on a Theater 10 and hook it up.
This is not nit picking on my part - it is merely pointing out the dollars involved vs. the time involved.
Some subtle digs, but let's continue:
They leave out finishing supplies (usually), tools they needed to purchase, time and gas running to various stores for supplies, and most importantly, LABOR needed.
Most of our customers like buying new, getting a completed product shipped to his door, having a 1 to 7 year warranty depending on the product, being able to all for assistance and NOT having to spend 6 weekends in a wood shop.
Take a Theater 10 at the group buy of $300. Why would anyone want to bother building a kit that costs $300 without any paint when he can add to cart on our Theater 10?
The answer is simple - The guy LOVES to build stuff.
Here is the MAIN ISSUE with certain guys in the DIY section: They love to trash commercially built products. They use poor science at best to prove their point.
Allow an example: Most of the same guys who trash commercially built products also trash the concept that amplifiers sound different.
They point to blind studies/tests as proof.
These same guys (and again, it is a minority of the DIY guys - but also the most vocal) will build a speaker, turn it on, post 2 sweeps with Omni mic and declare TOTAL superiority. Suddenly, blind tests and real listening science is not important
I am cool with that - but when these select few make it a mission to trash anything not DIY unless it comes from their pet manufacturers, then it is time for us to respond.
At our next GTG, I think people will realize just HOW good a value the Theater 10's are. Even at the standard price of $350, they are an absolute gem of a deal.
Now the cheap shots have been fired:
"Take a Theater 10 at the group buy of $300. Why would anyone want to bother building a kit that costs $300 without any paint when he can add to cart on our Theater 10?
The answer is simple - The guy LOVES to build stuff."
Receiving hesitant response, some more posturing:
It would also not be fair to suggest that any of Erich's designs were based on a "low cost commercial PA system".
I would love to have someone bring three of Erich's speakers to our GTG, so we could do a comparison.
Let's say someone did, and we ran about a half hour blind test with each ... and let's further say that the SEOS waveguide system, under this test, averaged a "90" score while the Theater 10's averaged an "80".
Let's also say I could build and bring to market a "deluxe Theater 10" for $450 that matched what Erich could deliver in a "flat pack" for $300 (with a completed crossover) ... both speakers could serve the market well. To some guys, it would be worth the $150 not to have to assemble the cabinet, install the drivers, the binding posts, the fill ... and then buy the paint and finish them.
To others, the $150 saved per speaker ... OR ... the pride in doing the assembly ... makes all the sense in the world. To those guys, I say GREAT ... show us the pics when you are done.
The other side of this ... let's say that people called it a "draw" under blind tests ... now the respective models are about the same money, but the Theater 10 would be much simpler for the customer.
In fact - I am so in favor of someone bringing three of Erich's speakers to the GTG that I will personally PAY for the parts needed to do so, and who ever builds them and brings them here will get to keep them.
I suppose it isn't fair to suggest the Theater-10s are "based on" a low cost commercial PA system... because they actually are a low cost commercial PA system? I really don't know how else to explain that claim.
Here we see Chase beginning to set the stage for a showdown between the Fusion-10 and the Theater-10 giving hypothetical conclusions and what we are supposed to take from them.
Not enough, so we see a little more sarcastic smack talk being delivered:
This is why we are going to put our Theater 10's up against the DIY Fusion 10's.
According to everything one will read, the Fusion 10's should mop the floor with the Theater 10's.
Let's see what happens under blind conditions.
Some of you already know, MKTheater took Chase up on his offer to pay for a set of Fusion-10s to build them and bring them to the GTG this past weekend for this showdown.
(MK has been hesitant to disclose this information for unknown reasons and would prefer to keep his current thread's discussion about his IB build, so we've moved it here.)
We'll continue with the GTG results and write-ups in the next post.
Edited by nfraso - 11/25/13 at 11:11am