Originally Posted by maxmercy Not the person with the most to gain or lose depending on the results
, who took the time to use a measurement mic to set up, but not one to verify said setup. Again, TOTAL BS 'TEST'. There is NOTHING anyone has said that can 'validate' this publicity stunt and mockery of an evaluation, regardless of the time or money spent in set up. If people cannot see this for what it is, let them live in their ignorant bliss.
I appreciate your point. Frankly, I am taking the "benefit of the doubt" view because I am not willing to convict someone I don't know of a crime, based on the opinions of other people I don't know.
My initial reply was made after reading comments made very early in the thread, and after reading the entire 160 posts I can see why some posters are skeptical. I am trying to read and learn from other folks experiences, and no matter the outcome of a GTG, I still enjoy my Fusion 10 Pures. This is a great speaker, well designed, and with high quality components.
TUX: Thanks for the info on the CD used in the test speakers, the DNA-205, as it creates a frame of reference for me. FYI I have been able to tweak the settings for my speakers, and they absolutely rock and roll for what I want to hear. I want to be clear there was NOTHING wrong with the speakers or the design, I tweaked them with EQ so they would sound good to my ears at a certain volume level, listening to a very niche music genre, drum and bugle corps, which means the brass and percussion sound is captured while corps are playing LOUD while MOVING on a 120 yard long sound stage called a football field. With your speakers, the sound is incredible and I am recommending them to others in the D&BC world as the basis for setting up a new 5.1 HT system built around the specialized musical demands drum corps fans want. Not that it matters, but my wife also loves them for the clarity in TV watching (speech) and for movies. She listens at VERY low volumes, and they are crystal clear. It makes for very enjoyable listening. Good speakers don't always need to play loud and re-create life-like explosions in your ear.
I have an observation about the test that was done: I read carefully what the GTG testers said about how the Fusion 10s didn't sound good initially; that doesn't surprise me based on my own experience. If I read correctly, the speakers were built and then immediately tested.
I know there are different camps which claim that "breaking in" speakers makes no difference. On my speakers, I could hear a HUGE difference after my speakers were broken in, which I would guess took at least a month. That Eminence Delta 10A is stiff as a board out of the box. I tested it thoroughly when new, which included putting my hand on the woofer so I could "feel" how much movement it had. New, it sounded very dull and subdued, and did not reproduce sound very well, and simply did not vibrate very much at all. After a month (or more) of playing at higher SPL, the woof now sounds ONE HUNDRED PERCENT better. I can hear the difference, and I can feel the difference in the way the cone moves, it moves easier and more distance than it did when new.
I don't expect a GTG to follow every scientific method of evaluating speakers, because what these guys were doing were having a little fun, listening to some speakers, and sharing that opinion with others.
If another GTG is done to re-evaluate these speakers, to eliminate MAJOR variables which I feel had a big impact on conclusions, I would suggest the following, below. The fewer the variables, the more accurate the results will be.
- Make sure all the speakers are seasoned or broken in properly
- Test ONE speaker each, and even a matched pair as mains would even be OK
- Don't run a sub, as I think it affects the sound coming from the mains
- Test in two modes, one mode using Audessey, and one mode without where the speakers are "tweaked" or tuned to where they sound the best. I say that because I have Audessey, and she and I don't agree AT ALL about what sounds best.
I'm sure others have suggestions as well. I'm just trying to address potential problems in testing methodology which I think can be easily changed and will give more accurate results.Edited by wvu80 - 11/29/13 at 8:37am