Originally Posted by ironhead1230
Except Craig says the Fusions were initially set 1db louder than the theater 10s and the subs were set to the same levels for both speakers. So after the theater 10s level was lowered by 4db, that would put the fusions 5db louder. Craig has posted he liked the fusions, but I have not seen him post that they were not calibrated to the same level or that anything could have been wrong in the setup.
I had typed up a much longer post talking about the reactions to the blind sub GTG compared to this one, but instead I'll just re-post two things Craig said during that craziness:
"Dennis had sent me a note Saturday that the subs did not sound right. Having done a lot of GTG's here, when that happens, I stop the process immediately and find out what the problem is and fix it before proceeding. "
"The person who is actually running the test is the person who should make these [setup] decisions. "
Guess that doesn't apply when you're testing out one of your own new designs.
Without even hearing the Theater-10, people though the Fusion-10 sounded bad- in fact immediately sounding obviously "off" from what they had heard from those same scenes in the past. So much so that one guy told Craig he should recuse himself from the test because he thought road noise took a toll on his ears on the drive over.
After speaker A had been reviewed, I struggled to reason why I thought it didn't sound as good as when I had listened to these scenes in the past? We went downstairs to let Craig hook up and run Audyssey on speaker B. Should I tell Craig I thought that maybe that back rear seat didn't have a good response? Maybe my 6 hour drive took a toll on my ears, and ruined the actual response of A?
We turned in our decisions and I even told Craig I thought I needed to recuse myself from the test that the first speaker must have been flat without an image because of my 6 hours of road noise, and mountainous ear popping - I was convinced that A was the Theater-10, and I couldn't give it a fair evaluation. I was stunned when Craig said B was the Theater-10.
Except, you know- why would we find out what the problem is and "fix it before proceeding" if it's not your speaker that's getting trashed in the end results. Or why stop to examine problems when you were the only person behind the curtain and anything found would only result in pointed fingers.
By the way, to anyone here that is calling BS on this GTG and blind test, Jon Lane says you should be thanking Craig for his service:
Let me add a note to thank Craig for these GTGs. Obviously we talk about them and I'm probably one of only a handful who know just what goes into them. Each one runs Craig four figures in expense and time, at the least.
They're a great effort and a valuable service that I think need to be acknowledged. And, as happens in certain low places on the Internet folks will reinterpret them and go so far as to disparage them and the people behind them. They say some people will say all sorts of things anonymously they'd never say in person. So true.
So do drop Craig a line of appreciation and encouragement. There's much to be done and we need him more than ever. He's a heck of an asset.
Funny, the bit about saying things you'd never say in person. I wonder if that applies to things like "why would anyone want to bother building" one of Tux/Erich's kits when he could just buy our Chinese conference room PA.
To anyone that thinks this was just an informal listening session to gauge the "viability" of the Theater-10 as a replacement for the SHO-10, you've been duped. Re-read the first post in full, specifically this:
Guys - let's let the GTG introduce the Theater 10's ... Defining things like "better" in the world of audio has always been dicey.
This is why we are going to put our Theater 10's up against the DIY Fusion 10's.
According to everything one will read, the Fusion 10's should mop the floor with the Theater 10's.
Let's see what happens under blind conditions.
Defining things like "better" has always been dicey, that's why we're going to put our Theater-10's up against the DIY Fusion 10's. Let's see what happens. Let's see... which is better.
It's pretty clear what the motive was here.Edited by nfraso - 11/27/13 at 9:20am