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post #211 of 479
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Originally Posted by bravebuc View Post


I wonder if it would change anything if you temporarily took the receiver out of the loop. Just out of curiosity.

Edit: Also, the TV mode is working on firmware T-M9RFAUSC-1009.0
FWIW my firmware is 1010.1. Panel MH01.
post #212 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

Good news! I have the Harmony Ultimate and it found model #UN65FH6001FXZA in their system so its already in their db and everything is working like it should remote wise:)
Good deal. Thanks for the heads up.
post #213 of 479
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

bravebuc, wingzfan61 here's a copy and paste from the other thread (UNXXEH6000)
For clarification I'm driving the TV via my HTPC which has a GTX 460 (NVIDIA) connected to my Onkyo NR509 which is connected to the TV - so a similar setup to you guys. If you can't change "HDMI Black Level" it looks like we have found a real functional difference between the 65EH6000 and the 65FH6001. I have configured my card to send everything out in the 0-255 reference range.

It seems to me as if the TV automatically expects everything to be in the 0-255 range when the source is labelled "PC". On my TV leaving HDMI Black Level as normal clips everything below 16, so blacks are a little grayer than they need to be. I have checked and there is no crushing or loss of detail when using HDMI Black Level: Low, but blacks are a lot deeper. Why would you want to clip all blacks to 16, when the TV is displaying 0-255? It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm thinking that perhaps HDMI Black Level: Normal on your sets is equivalent to HDMI Black Level: Low on mine, and that they've grayed out the option as it doesn't make sense to clip to 16.

Wingzfan61, I found that when I drive the display at anything but 1080p60 it doesn't treat the input differently so you wouldn't see any change. A quick way to check you are in the "right" mode is to go to Menu->Picture->Mode and you should see a different set of modes: Standard and Entertain.

 

Here is a picture of the menu for me on my UN65FH6001FXZA while in PC mode:


Maybe someone else can confirm HDMI Black Level is greyed out for them in PC mode too. I'd like to play with that setting if I could.

 

Wingzfan61, I confirmed what nxsfan said about 1080p60. 1080i from my GPU makes the TV revert back to the normal mode.

post #214 of 479
I have various source devices but none of them are a computer. I guess I wont be much help.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post


FWIW my firmware is 1010.1. Panel MH01.

Thanks. I guess I'll have to wait for Samsung to add our TV to their website to update.

 

I wonder if that affects the HDMI black level setting in PC mode.


Edited by bravebuc - 12/9/13 at 11:20am
post #216 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

Good news! I have the Harmony Ultimate and it found model #UN65FH6001FXZA in their system so its already in their db and everything is working like it should remote wise:)
Good deal. Thanks for the heads up.

Hmmm - I tried setting up my Harmony and had to teach it a lot of the commands. Maybe they added it recently? Il check again. Good to know.... smile.gif
post #217 of 479
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post


FWIW my firmware is 1010.1. Panel MH01.


How did you get the newer firmware?  I'm on 1009.0....

post #218 of 479
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Originally Posted by kingwormer View Post


How did you get the newer firmware?  I'm on 1009.0....
Thats just what it came with. I actually got on Chat with Samsung before I knew what firmware I had (thanks again nxs) and asked them what was the latest firmware. The tech had no idea what I had or what was the latest. Neither he or I could find any firmware version for the 6001.
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Hmmm....so maybe the people seeing the difference with PC mode all made the newer firmware?  Im giving this TV till next Wednesday to impress me.  If I'm not pleased by then Im exchanging for the f5500 series plasma.  Which is probably a better tv anyhow...

post #220 of 479
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Originally Posted by kingwormer View Post
 

Hmmm....so maybe the people seeing the difference with PC mode all made the newer firmware?  Im giving this TV till next Wednesday to impress me.  If I'm not pleased by then Im exchanging for the f5500 series plasma.  Which is probably a better tv anyhow...


No, I have 1009.0 and PC mode works for me as long as the source is not interlaced.

post #221 of 479
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Originally Posted by bravebuc View Post
 


No, I have 1009.0 and PC mode works for me as long as the source is not interlaced.


I don't get it.  I have everything hooked up HDMI on mine.  My receiver is a newer Sony DN840 with 4k pass through, so I'm good there.  Everything is coming through 1080p.  PS4, X1, etc....yet PC mode did absolutely nothing when I changed it.  Not even slightly.  I'm hooked up to the HMDI/DVI port on back.  So I have all the right hook up, but nothing changed for me.

post #222 of 479
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Originally Posted by bravebuc View Post


No, I have 1009.0 and PC mode works for me as long as the source is not interlaced.
Are you connected straight to the tv or thru a receiver?
post #223 of 479
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Originally Posted by wingzfan61 View Post


Are you connected straight to the tv or thru a receiver?


Straight to the TV.

post #224 of 479
Thats gotta be the difference then. Im connected thru a receiver as is kingwormer. That would be the only variation that makes sense.

Im well past expectations on this set so I think im gonna just leave it where its at and enjoy it now.
post #225 of 479
kingwormer - please do me a favour and see what preset modes you have available when the input is labelled as PC or PC DVI. If the FH series behaves like the EH series (and if not sorry for the noise) you should see differing modes using the PC input under Menu->Picture->Mode. I think the normal modes are Standard, Vivid and Movie, while the PC modes are Standard and Entertain.
post #226 of 479
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

kingwormer - please do me a favour and see what preset modes you have available when the input is labelled as PC or PC DVI. If the FH series behaves like the EH series (and if not sorry for the noise) you should see differing modes using the PC input under Menu->Picture->Mode. I think the normal modes are Standard, Vivid and Movie, while the PC modes are Standard and Entertain.


OK, I figured it out.  Directv box puts out 1080i, so it wasn't changing anything.  When I watched a bluray, and X1 it changed the TV to show 60hz.  The menu was all greyed out also in PC mode.  I switched it on and off to make sure. So when the source is 1080p, yes changing the label actually did change things.

post #227 of 479
Well hot d@&$ that worked. I cant say it looks vastly better than it did but it definitely looks good.
post #228 of 479
Well I returned my 65" Panasonic S60 for this set. The linebleed was just killing me on the S60, great colors/blacks but completely nullified by constant lines and bars thru the picture. Not to mention the constant threat of burn-in (ok IR) looming around every menu that was on the screen for more than 30secs

I got an open box one of these for $947 this past Friday, so not too bad.

First impression of this set....ehhh....a tad disappointed. I was expecting it to be near the picture quality of the plasma (when it didn't have lines thru it), but at first glance this seemed a bit "off" from what I was expecting. There is some color-banding here and there, but that doesn't really bother me that much, but I did observe it here and there from time to time. The more I used it the more I got use to the set in general but it still felt "off". I used some settings from this post but still didn't feel right, but was better than it was out of the box.

I used it for a day and half, still unsure about it. I finally got off my lazy ass I pulled out the DVE HD Basic calibration disc and went to work. I didn't feel like I was changing much but once I went back to actually using it, YEAH it made a HUGE difference! HIGHLY recommend anyone getting this set get a calibration disc and use it, no 2 TVs are exactly the same, so using someone's settings will only get you so far.

I'm VERY happy with the results of my calibration, this thing definitely need it, and I'm happy with the set. No, it doesn't have the picture quality of the plasma, but its pretty good, and definitely better than my 6yr old Sony DLP I was trying to replace. Oh the blacks are pretty good on this thing, but grey-scale is just "ok", occasionally on dark grey screens I notice "light bleed" from the left and right sides but I think it's more just the handling of grey gradation actually, as I really only see it on a few XB1 menus, when the screen is black, it is BLACK. So not really a big deal but thought I'd point it out.

Here are my settings below after my calibration. As hard as it might be to use it, I'd turn off Black Tone, it makes black blacker, but it also crushes out some of dark grey's that are almost but not quite black, as I found out playing with it on the Contrast test pattern. I calibration Dynamic, Standard, and Movie, and I think I like Standard the best, Movie seemed to yellow but I was using Warm2, and Dynamic was TOO bright.

Standard Mode:

Blacklight - 12
Contrast - 100
Brightness - 44
Sharpness - 0
Color -38
Tint - G60/R40

Advanced:
Color Space - Auto
White Balance - just defaults of all 25, need to find a pattern to adjust these properly
Gamma - -2
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Black Tone - Off
Flesh Tone - Off
Motion Lighting - Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone - Standard
Size - Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter - Off
HDMI Black Level - Low (I thought I had this on Normal but guess now, may re-calibration on Normal later)
Film Mode - Off (greyed out)
Auto Motion Plus - Clear
LED Motion Plus - Off

My calibration settings for the other two modes are different than these, but I thought I'd just share what I thought was the best one, but if people want them I can share them. But again, no 2 sets are exactly a like so I'd recommend getting a calibration disc. Mine is not bad, but I'm going to get another with some more indepth patterns probably.

Sorry kind of all over the place, typing this in a hurry. In short, this TV is a GREAT value, it doesn't have the "BEST" picture quality, but if you calibrate I think you'll be very happy with it, especially for the price! (Well when it's on sale).

One random note, I use an HD antenna and I noticed if I turned backlight up beyond 15 it started messing up my HD signal from the antenna. I wouldn't want it that high anyway, but thought that was weird.

Thanks hope this helps, I'm pretty happy with this TV and glad to be away from the stress and worry of that damn plasma.
Edited by Dizman7 - 12/10/13 at 9:06am
post #229 of 479
Logitech Harmony software has this listed as UN65FH6001F. Everything seems to work fine.
post #230 of 479
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Logitech Harmony software has this listed as UN65FH6001F. Everything seems to work fine.

Yup, I noticed when I entered un65fh6001fxza it defaulted to UN65FH6001F but like you said everything is working like normal. Thanks

post #231 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

Yup, I noticed when I entered un65fh6001fxza it defaulted to UN65FH6001F but like you said everything is working like normal. Thanks
One thing that Ive noticed though. The buttons are very sensitive. Like when I change the volume I have to be careful because if I hold the volume button down it will go up or down very fast. Im pretty sure I can fix this later.
post #232 of 479

I didn't notice as I have my audio controlled through a Pioneer AV receiver. I know you can add a delay just prob gotta a play with it.

post #233 of 479
Wow, setting the name to pc definitely changes things. On PC it seems more crisp and clear and on other inputs it seems as if things are slightly zoomed in. Leaving it on PC for awhile and seeing how I like.

So far Monday night football looks great.
post #234 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

I didn't notice as I have my audio controlled through a Pioneer AV receiver. I know you can add a delay just prob gotta a play with it.

Yeah its about 50ms with my Onkyo. Also depends on the source.
post #235 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

I didn't notice as I have my audio controlled through a Pioneer AV receiver. I know you can add a delay just prob gotta a play with it.
Volume was just an example. I have an AVR too. Its noticeable any time you hold the button down even briefly instead of just tapping it. No matter what button. Direction keys, etc.
Anyway, I already fixed it. Heres how for people that use the Harmony software.
From the Main screen.
Click Devices.
Click Samsung tv or whatever you have it named.
Click "Trobleshooting"
Click "Samsung does not respond or responds too quickly."
Set to #1.
Save that setting. Much better.
post #236 of 479
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Originally Posted by Nesto1 View Post

Wow, setting the name to pc definitely changes things. On PC it seems more crisp and clear and on other inputs it seems as if things are slightly zoomed in. Leaving it on PC for awhile and seeing how I like.

So far Monday night football looks great.
yep for my xfinity on pc it looks awesome thanks to the settings nxs posted
post #237 of 479
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Originally Posted by Supacatsf View Post

I didn't notice as I have my audio controlled through a Pioneer AV receiver. I know you can add a delay just prob gotta a play with it.
Have you had a problem with the AVR acting like its still getting an HDMI signal even when the tv is Off? The HDMI OUT light on my AVR display blinks when the tv is Off. The light should no be displayed at all when the tv is Off.
post #238 of 479
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

kingwormer - please do me a favour and see what preset modes you have available when the input is labelled as PC or PC DVI. If the FH series behaves like the EH series (and if not sorry for the noise) you should see differing modes using the PC input under Menu->Picture->Mode. I think the normal modes are Standard, Vivid and Movie, while the PC modes are Standard and Entertain.
Standard, Dynamic and Movie are the normal modes. Standard and Entertain are the PC modes.
post #239 of 479
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Originally Posted by bravebuc View Post

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Thanks. I guess I'll have to wait for Samsung to add our TV to their website to update.

I wonder if that affects the HDMI black level setting in PC mode.
HDMI Black Level does not apply in PC Mode.
post #240 of 479
LED Motion Plus is supposed to "remove drag from fast moving scenes". As far as I can tell it just makes the picture much darker.
Motion Lighting is supposed to "automatically adjust the brightness of the screen in response to the brightness of the room". Much like Eco Sensor on other models I presume. But it barely makes any difference.
Its almost like the two are listed wrong. ML does what LED MP is supposed to and vice versa. Strange.
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/10/13 at 4:01am
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