What I'm referring to is a tracer effect behind moving objects.
I've also read that lowering contrast and/or increasing brightness helps but the other issue I have with this set is posterization and setting my contrast rather high helps that.
First post. Thanks to all on this thread, since it has been helpful to me.
I bought this TV on sale at Best Buy. With all the discounts (discover card 5% + 5%, $50 for picking it up), I think I paid somewhere around $940 after tax. Cheap. Crazy cheap I suppose.
I've tried to adjust it using Spears & Muncil. I'm no video pro, but I can follow directions and my eye is ok. I haven't been able to get it to do everything that the S&M disk tells you to, but it's close.
Unfortunately, I still get visible gradients on the screen. For example, in the loading screens for Amazon Instant Video, I can see the marked changes in gray on the screen. And when watching video, I can often see the gradation in the shadows. I've switched back and forth between this TV and my old panasonic viera just to check, and I've confirmed it's not happening on the other TV.
So I'm wondering... is this just a crappy budget TV that I should return, or am I simply not skilled enough to adjust it?
Tons of thanks in advance to anybody that provides any helpful advice!
i've tried quite a few different settings, but i can't get the gradients to disappear. i wonder if i'm missing something basic.
here's what i have now:
Tint (G/R): G50/R50
Color Space: Auto
White Balance: default
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: +2 (seems like this can only be adjusted sometimes, can't remember when)
Motion Lighting: Off (same as above)
Color Tone: Standard
Digital Noise Filter: Low
HDMI Black Level: Normal (seems like i can't change this)
Film Mode: Off (seems like i can't change this)
Auto Motion Plus
Blur Reduction: 10
Judder Reduction: 1
LED Motion Plus: Off
Thanks again for any advice. Much appreciated.
I initially tried by copying some of the settings listed earlier in this thread (which basically follow your advice). So I have tried those things. If I put contrast anywhere near 100 then the Spears & Muncil disk says it's WAY too high (i can barely see any of the bars). But of course then my brightness goes way down and that matches your advice better, too.
But even with those settings, I'm still seeing very noticeable gradients (instead of smooth color changes), especially in dark areas. It looks pixelated basically. :(
yea, i'm seeing the gradient with all sources, which include a PS3 for blu-ray stuff and my comcast box. the PS3 has been adjusted accordingly (seems like folks pretty much agree on what has to happen for that to be good, and it was initially incorrect so i fixed it early on in the process).
i'm certainly not ruling out that it's source-related, but i've tested it with my panasonic TV and i don't get the gradients on any source. so it *seems* like it's the tv.
i've just done another test with the contrast way up and i'm still seeing them. :(
i'd really like to like this tv since it was so reasonably priced.
edit: oh, and i tried in Standard instead of Movie - looks different definitely. but still get the pixelated gradient. :(
yea, i know. :( blah. it does bother me just 'cause it looks cheap. was just trying to figure out if i was making some sort of rookie mistake. i have until 1/15. but i'd have to rent a bloody truck to get the behemoth back to the store. ironic.
anyways... if you (or anybody) have any other hints, i'm all ears. i'm very grateful for your help in any case - thanks!
well... i'm a computer guy, not a tv guy. it certainly LOOKS like the kind of thing that happens when your computer graphics card or monitor is functioning at a lower-than-desired resolution. but i thought all these modern TVs were way past that sort of problem by now. perhaps i'm wrong about that?
re bit depth, that is how it works on computers, so i assume it's the same on TVs. but honestly, 8 bit is REALLY REALLY low these days. the picture quality is crazy-worse w/ 8bit compared to 16bit, so i'm frankly surprised that anything still uses 8bit. i didn't even realize that i had to check for that on TVs. if that's the issue, then this puppy is definitely going back. 8bit is the pits.
Best setting for me so far, except for sharpness is at 6 for me.
And guy's, don't forget to put Picture Options: Size at Screen Fit and not 16/9, beacause 16/9 stretch the image.
my wife said the same thing. i used some settings posted early in the thread and fixed that problem.
but i STILL am getting gradient color-banding stuff. i'm really surprised this isn't bothering people 'cause to me it looks absolutely awful. i guess just 'cause it scream "CHEAP." i understand it to be an effect of the 8bit color chip or something, but unless i can fix it in the next 49 hours, it's going back.
a good place to see the banding (if you're TRYING to see it) is in something like a PS3 screen or an Amazon Instant Video screen (when it's loading or when you're picking videos). they have gradient grays that are particularly susceptible. but i also notice it a lot in shadowy places in normal video. it does seem true that it can be reduced, but i can't get rid of it, and thus the picture is so much worse than my older panasonic viera that it feels like a downgrade.