Great to hear you survived December 2013!
It's always great to hear from Josh and I imagine your demo at his place was well worth the trip.
I agree with everything Josh said. I've said many times over the years that a) the ULF doesn't not have to be stupid loud to be perceived and b) when the system throws it out there, it's definitely an eye-opening experience. I remember it as an instant addiction that's kept me hooked for a decade.
Regarding the whole Home Theater experience, I've always viewed it as exactly that. IOW, I believe that if you watch movies on your TV in your living room, you don't actually have a Home Theater, you have instead surround sound audio hardware in your living room.
A riser, or risers, is a must vs a sofa, loveseat and a recliner scattered about the room as in a typical living room/family room furniture arrangement. I know the difference because what was my 'rec room' for years was set up exactly like that; sofa, loveseat, recliner, etc., with 50" RPTV and surround sound hardware inter-mingled.
That's why, when it comes to subs, I've never cared about what "most people" do and I've never given a second thought to the usual small black cube in a living room subwoofer criteria. That market, from BB to SVS, is so super-saturated that it compels every new member to start a thread something like "Too Many Choices!!! Help Me Decide!!!".
Changing my rec room to a dedicated HT space was majorly significant as far as how it sounds, that everyone watching has a great view and sound, the acoustics and the atmosphere, even down to the popcorn cart we just installed. it's a completely new experience.
The point is, if you're going to build or convert a space for a dedicated HT, you should consider all aspects. Over the years, literally hundreds of members have pinged me with questions and info when building a HT. It amazes me every time to what lengths they go to get the largest picture, to get the lighting right, to get the best seating, AVR, player, speakers, subs, speaker and sub placement, measurement hardware... even the pictures they hang on the walls is often times labored over.
But, they mostly fail to address the structure that all of that planning, hardware and software will go into. I'm glad to see it finally being talked about in more detail. The riser I built for that back seats was the easiest part of the HT remodel, by far. And, it wasn't primarily for a tactile watching experience, it was absolutely necessary for a second row of seats that face the screen.
Tactile transducers are an option. I tried them a long while back. I'm sure there are 'better' versions available than what I tried, but the point is that I had both ways to compare. The TTs transmit tactile sensation by transmitting vibration through physical contact. The subwoofers cause oscillation by slamming a 200 foot pressure wave into the structure at the speed of sound. IMO, there's no comparison.
Of course, I'd rather have my butt kicked than nothing at all, but again, if you're going the route of an actual Home Theater, get a real subwoofer system and place the seats on a structure that's designed to react to the soundtrack accordingly.
Facing facts, movies are pure entertainment and most of the ones we love are scaled down versions of reality. The movie version CGI jumbo jet crash, no matter how big your screen, is a very scaled down version of the actual size, weight and dBSPL of the real event. But, if the real thing actually happened anywhere near you, it would not matter if you were standing on concrete, you'd feel it... much more so than you'd hear it because you'd expect it to be insanely loud, but you'd forever relate the experience starting with how the whole ground shook.
Anyway, great to hear about your HT demo travels, especially Josh's system, which is certainly epic on paper and no doubt the same in person.Edited by bossobass - 12/29/13 at 4:52pm