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post #31 of 62
Very enjoyable podcast, thanks again Scott for setting this up every week.

I'm hoping Auro3D finds it way into our homes!

Although our local flower delivery service works great in getting more points from my wife, I doubt I'll be allowed to install 37.4 speakers:)

Now 13.1 sounds doable, at least those upper LCR sound great. VOG speakers are a tough sell on the ceiling though.

Does Auro3D operate with "wide speakers" like Audyssey DSX for instance?

In the dubstage photos, the side speaker arrays - the front ones are nearly at a point in the front of the room, where they have the angle to become "wide speakers"? Didn't look like there is seating that far front? So I was wondering if those far front side speakers are in the same array as the other side speakers working as "simply" side speakers?

Also, the bass management seems quite speciel with those "nearfield" subs crossed from the surround speakers. Why not reroute all the bass to the front subwoofers? Was it to gain better bas response at the consol?
post #32 of 62
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Not you.
I hope you're not referring to me.
post #33 of 62
This was a very interesting Home Theater Geeks, Thanks Scott.

What has me sort of wondering after thinking about it a bit is how a home theater system could be implemented that would use one or two overhead speakers in conjunction with an existing 7.1 array that through matrix-ing could achieve a lot of these effects. It seems like it would allow it to be implemented easier with a greater spousal approval factor.
post #34 of 62
What is the benefit of using separate subs for bass management? From what I can tell the front subs in their stage is for the LFE channel while the 3 subs in the middle are for the surrounds.
post #35 of 62
I have seen only one movie in Auro 3D and that was in Calabasas for Red Tails.

If there was anything wrong with the sound, it wasn't the fault of the Auro 3D sound system. It was the movie's sound mix. It just wasn't very good or aggressive enough.

I'd like to believe if Atmos didn't exist and we got the fantastic mix from Gravity debuting Auro 3D there would be a whole different kind of interest in Auro 3D.

Just sayin'.
post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I have seen only one movie in Auro 3D and that was in Calabasas for Red Tails.

If there was anything wrong with the sound, it wasn't the fault of the Auro 3D sound system. It was the movie's sound mix. It just wasn't very good or aggressive enough.

I'd like to believe if Atmos didn't exist and we got the fantastic mix from Gravity debuting Auro 3D there would be a whole different kind of interest in Auro 3D.

Just sayin'.

To make matters worse, the move itself wasn't very good too... biggrin.gif

But yea I agree with the rest
post #37 of 62
How the heck can I find a theater in Auro?
Simply I can easily find a locator link for Dolby Atmos, yet none for Auro.

I used this link for Dolby Atmos http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/content/movie/theater/find-a-cinema.html?ct=Dolby-Atmos
post #38 of 62
post #39 of 62
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Thx! However unless I'm up to a 4-5 hour road trip watching a Auro 3D is not going to happen soon.


Now, for comparison and same scale:
Dolby Atmos


Dolby 3D
post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I have seen only one movie in Auro 3D and that was in Calabasas for Red Tails.

If there was anything wrong with the sound, it wasn't the fault of the Auro 3D sound system. It was the movie's sound mix. It just wasn't very good or aggressive enough.

I'd like to believe if Atmos didn't exist and we got the fantastic mix from Gravity debuting Auro 3D there would be a whole different kind of interest in Auro 3D.

Just sayin'.
I agree with you about "Red Tails" at Calabasas. That was the First Auro Movie and it left a lot to be desired. That is why I got involved wit Auro as I could see the advantages and possibilities!
post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

How the heck can I find a theater in Auro?
Simply I can easily find a locator link for Dolby Atmos, yet none for Auro.
Couldn't agree more with you. I will talk with Barco/Auro about their website.
Thanks for the comments.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

I agree with you about "Red Tails" at Calabasas. That was the First Auro Movie and it left a lot to be desired. That is why I got involved wit Auro as I could see the advantages and possibilities!

I still look forward to what Auro 3D + MDA can do. One word on any feature films that are going to be mixed in it?
post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

Will do.

So out of the 3 Auro equipped theaters in S. Cal which one can I go to?
post #44 of 62
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

So out of the 3 Auro equipped theaters in S. Cal which one can I go to?

The answer is any of them. The question might be rephrased to which one(s) meet your criteria of what Auro 3D can and should be. And if any or all of the three theaters meet your standards, then why has Auro 3D fallen so far on its face with just a lot of excuses and not produced what the consumer should hear in an Auro 3D equipped and approved theater?
post #45 of 62
I can not comment on future titles as that is not my area other than to say if you had watched Chris and my video then you
would have head about the 200+ new theaters debuting Auro within the next year, At "The Dub Stage" we have numerous titles
coming to theaters all in Auro-3D 11.1 .
post #46 of 62
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

The answer is any of them. The question might be rephrased to which one(s) meet your criteria of what Auro 3D can and should be. And if any or all of the three theaters meet your standards, then why has Auro 3D fallen so far on its face with just a lot of excuses and not produced what the consumer should hear in an Auro 3D equipped and approved theater?

Sorry you fell that way. I can not agree with your observation.
post #47 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

I can not comment on future titles as that is not my area other than to say if you had watched Chris and my video then you
would have head about the 200+ new theaters debuting Auro within the next year, At "The Dub Stage" we have numerous titles
coming to theaters all in Auro-3D 11.1 .

Just from reading around at Dcinematoday, it seems like Auro is taking off big in India with 100 planned installations! Hopefully the LA/OC area will get a few more in the not to distant future smile.gif The Grove is a nice theater but I hate the parking:mad:
post #48 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

I can not comment on future titles as that is not my area other than to say if you had watched Chris and my video then you
would have head about the 200+ new theaters debuting Auro within the next year, At "The Dub Stage" we have numerous titles
coming to theaters all in Auro-3D 11.1 .

So currently there is no theater in S. Cal that you can recommend?
post #49 of 62
Yes, India is a big market. We at "The Dub Stage" mixed the first Immersive Film for the Indian market last year.
post #50 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

I can not comment on future titles as that is not my area other than to say if you had watched Chris and my video then you
would have head about the 200+ new theaters debuting Auro within the next year, At "The Dub Stage" we have numerous titles
coming to theaters all in Auro-3D 11.1 .

I apologize but I can't recall the entire interview exactly but were those 11.1 mixes going to include objects/MDA?

-Kevin
post #51 of 62
I have not been to all the Los Angeles Auro Theaters recently. If you want my recommendation then I need to hear them all prior to giving
you my review. As it stands right now I am busy mixing so you might have to wait until I have a free moment and there is an Auro-3D 11.1
movie playing,
post #52 of 62
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

So this means that the only place to hear a good Auro 3D mix is in the Dub Stage?
Looks like you finally got your answer.
post #53 of 62
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Looks like you finally got your answer.
No, that is not what I am saying.
I wanted to wait but because of the comments here I feel it is necessary to update you.
There is a new Auro Theater coming soon to Los Angeles that I will personally go through
the complete set up and playback and make sure it reflects the hard work we do and is representative
of Auro . The location and date will be announced soon. That is all I can say at this moment.

Recently I understand that "The Grove" changed the Existing Auro theater to another one in the same building.
I have not been there to listen to it. That is why I can not say go to "The Grove". As soon as my workload permits
and there is another Auro 11.1 mix in the Theaters then I will go listen.
Please stop trying to read in-between the lines guys. I don't make a suggestion until I have personally gone to a Theater.
It is out of respect to you the ticket buying public.
Please respect that.
post #54 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

There is a new Auro Theater coming soon to Los Angeles that I will personally go through the complete set up and playback and make sure it reflects the hard work we do and is representative of Auro. The location and date will be announced soon. That is all I can say at this moment.

Please stop trying to read in-between the lines guys.
Please stop digging and hand me the shovel. Maybe you don't see it but comments like the above only end up re-inforcing the suspicion that The Dub Stage is the only place to hear Auro properly. Next month marks the 2nd anniversary of 'Red Tails'. 2 years and 3 theatres later, even a proponent of Auro cannot recommend where to go in Southern California to hear it properly?

I understand your reasons for that. But if you were a consumer asking which theatre to go, and if the reply was 'I'll let you know but I can't tell you now', wouldn't that raise suspicions for you? Especially after 2 years of the format being out. Put yourself in the theatre-goer's place.
post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Please stop digging and hand me the shovel. Maybe you don't see it but comments like the above only end up re-inforcing the suspicion that The Dub Stage is the only place to hear Auro properly. Next month marks the 2nd anniversary of 'Red Tails'. 2 years and 3 theatres later, even a proponent of Auro cannot recommend where to go in Southern California to hear it properly?

I understand your reasons for that. But if you were a consumer asking which theatre to go, and if the reply was 'I'll let you know but I can't tell you now', wouldn't that raise suspicions for you? Especially after 2 years of the format being out. Put yourself in the theatre-goer's place.

Point well made. One can only wonder what the situation is outside of Los Angeles relative to Barco Auro 3D, given just how important this particular market is and that it is the epi-center of Hollywood studios.
post #56 of 62
Sanjay,
Here it is:
I am not at liberty to name the new Theater. The moment I can I will. It is not open yet!
Red Tails was mixed at Galaxy Studios in Belgium. I have had Auro -3D 11.1
at "The Dub Stage" for the last 18 months.
Since "Glendale" was a theater that was taken over from "IMM" who was bought by Dolby
how can I suggest you go there. Scott went there and that is how this whole discuss game about.
As for "The Grove" I have been to the upstairs Auro room many times, but was just made aware
2 weeks ago that that room Auro configuration was moved to a downstairs Theater.
Now how can I suggest you go there as I haven't even gone their yet and haven't heard
the room.
AS soon as the latest room comes onboard I will let you know. Plain and simple
I would LOVE to have more Auro rooms in LA.
Believe me I have been harping on it! Auro just got installed in Fox and that took a LONG TIME
to get them to install it and Atmos in their two main rooms. More studios are putting it into their rooms.
Add to that Auro now has MDA ( object mixing within the toolset) .
post #57 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

AS soon as the latest room comes onboard I will let you know.
Looking forward to it. Just so you know, several of us from the local home theatre group drove all the way out to Calabasas (some from as far as Fresno) to see the first movie in Auro3D on opening weekend. That's how excited we were about hearing immersive audio (irrespective of brand) at a movie theatre. So if some of those same folks are lamenting the situation with Auro two years later, then that's all it is; not a reflection on you personally.
post #58 of 62
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Originally Posted by dr.sound View Post

No, that is not what I am saying.
I wanted to wait but because of the comments here I feel it is necessary to update you.
There is a new Auro Theater coming soon to Los Angeles that I will personally go through
the complete set up and playback and make sure it reflects the hard work we do and is representative
of Auro . The location and date will be announced soon. That is all I can say at this moment.

Recently I understand that "The Grove" changed the Existing Auro theater to another one in the same building.
I have not been there to listen to it. That is why I can not say go to "The Grove". As soon as my workload permits
and there is another Auro 11.1 mix in the Theaters then I will go listen.
Please stop trying to read in-between the lines guys. I don't make a suggestion until I have personally gone to a Theater.
It is out of respect to you the ticket buying public.
Please respect that.

The only thing I get from what you stated is that you don't trust Barco on there installations. Why is it that you must go? That's Barco's job not yours. If we only have three theaters in S. Cal and you can't recommend any on faith, then there is something seriously wrong on how Barco is making these installations. I can't imagine out of the 3 you can't recommend one without hearing it first. Quality control from Barco must not be that good. . If they can't do the first installations properly, just imagine how poorly the rest of them will be as it Auro tries to expand. Not really thrilled.
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

The only thing I get from what you stated is that you don't trust Barco on there installations. Why is it that you must go? That's Barco's job not yours. If we only have three theaters in S. Cal and you can't recommend any on faith, then there is something seriously wrong on how Barco is making these installations. I can't imagine out of the 3 you can't recommend one without hearing it first. Quality control from Barco must not be that good. . If they can't do the first installations properly, just imagine how poorly the rest of them will be as it Auro tries to expand. Not really thrilled.

Quality control from Barco is not what I am saying. Please read my post above:

"Recently I understand that "The Grove" changed the Existing Auro theater to another one in the same building.
I have not been there to listen to it. That is why I can not say go to "The Grove". As soon as my workload permits
and there is another Auro 11.1 mix in the Theaters then I will go listen."

I am personally trying to get you the best playback ! That is my reasoning as stated above.
The THEATER was changed at "The Grove". You want to go there and tell me what you think.. sure, be my guest.
I am trying to look out for you guys who want the best experience possible.

Your comments about the installations are misguided and unjustified.
That is the last comments I have on the subject until the new room comes on board.
post #60 of 62
Too bad that we can't all come out to Dub Stage and find out what Auro 3D can and should sound like. Are you willing to let the Los Angeles Home Theater group visit your facility with a demo? Auro 3D needs some good press from serious consumers.
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