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post #91 of 294
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Originally Posted by yadfgp View Post

Actually I see what you mean.

It's always baffling to me when Onkyo takes a current model, and then for the newer version of that same model, they actually take features away.

I had thought they stopped doing that but apparently not.

Because most buyers don't hang out here and know the difference. wink.gif
post #92 of 294
yadgfp. even Onkyo will tell you the current replacement for the 818 is the 929. The 2 in the 828 shouldn't be misconstrued as an 818 upgrade, it's actually a down grade.That's a strange naming convention.

On a side note, what is the .4 in your 11.4? Curious how you tuned the subs. Have you read what FILM MIXER suggested for the 929's lack of Sub EQ-HT.
post #93 of 294
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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

yadgfp. even Onkyo will tell you the current replacement for the 818 is the 929. The 2 in the 828 shouldn't be misconstrued as an 818 upgrade, it's actually a down grade.That's a strange naming convention.

On a side note, what is the .4 in your 11.4? Curious how you tuned the subs. Have you read what FILM MIXER suggested for the 929's lack of Sub EQ-HT.

Onkyo may tell you that if you ask, but otherwise it's just pure deception.
post #94 of 294
I'm not sure I follow you.
post #95 of 294
Has anyone with a 929 had this issue?

In Hardware Setup (7.4) scrolling down to Bluetooth Status, it says ready for pairing. But I can't highlight ENTER or change anything on screen by pushing ENTER on the remote. I'm trying to pair it with my Galaxy S3.
post #96 of 294
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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

Well let's get started. I've had mine for a couple of months and have only good things to say.

First I would like to clear up a couple of points. The first being the bad press about the HDMI board failures which were predominantly caused by overheating. in some cases it was the owners fault for not providing proper ventilation, which most have a hard time admitting. But mostly the fault lies with Onkyo for not getting the word out that these boards put out a lot of heat and need more ventilation than most. Before purchase Onkyo hadn't thoroughly convinced me that the problem was solved but I went ahead anyway. After purchase I left my Integra DTC 9.8 in place for comparison. Well the 929 runs 30 to 35 degress cooler and it has 9 channels of amplification the 9.8 doesn't have.

Secondly the 929 has Audyssey MultiEQ XT32, as do some others in this price range, which means it thoroughly covers the lowest of notes. Although it has dual sub outs it treats them identically. Units with Audyssey SubEQ HT treat the sub outs uniquely based on the microphone feed back. With different subs that's important. If on the other hand you have identical subs in acoustically similar locations it's a little less important.

My DTC 9.8 fed a 200 watt 7 channel Outlaw amp. Sound wise I don't miss either. In fact I'm now running highs and wides that I couldn't before along with several other new features. Also the Integra only had MultiEQ XT and now the bass sounds flatter and tighter with an absence of boom. A professional reviewer could explain why I think it sounds better in general.

Oops, I did come up with a negative. Short on details, but I think it lacks a 12 volt trigger out at turn on.

More to come.

 

 

Hey,

 

Thanks for your information, becoming soon an Onkyoer myself.

 

You may have seen this by now, but from page 84 of the manual it says:

 

 

"12V Trigger Out

 

When Zone 2/3 is turned on, the output from the 12V

TRIGGER OUT jack goes high (+12 V and max.

150 mA for Zone 2, +12 V and max. 25 mA for

Zone 3). Connecting this jack to a 12-volt trigger input

on a component in Zone 2/3 will make that

component turn on or off as the AV receiver turns on

or off the Zone 2/3."

 

 

 

I have a 929 on order at the moment, a refurb unit in fact (hopefully clean and spiffed up, always have had very good luck with factory refurbs at discount looking/acting same as new) to replace an older very sweet sounding Harman Kardon AVR 7200 (powering sound from an old and HUGE Sony XBR 61" RPTV, the last non-flat panel in the house) that I will definitely be keeping until it dies somewhere, perhaps in my bedroom powering my KEFs there. The Onkyo will be in my family room, in wall glass fronted cabinet, running an already established 9.0 surround system there now, that will be becoming a 9.1 with the addition of some major TV wall/cabinetry work, a new sub in new cabinetry below the new television wall I need built, and perhaps some new mains/CC to also replace, thinking perhaps of some Legacys at the moment, although in my space I need a shallower depth for the mains than I have had before there, so also looking at Golden Ear, Def Tech, some others. The 929 will also be sending a trigger to my Integra in-cabinet amp, powering numerous switched and local room volumed, in-wall whole house and outdoor speakers, so a trigger was important to me.

 

All of this will be flanking some other stuff, Apple TV, probably a new Oppo, an LG BD, a Sony 4K 65" 900A (or 900B if I decide to wait a few months on the display, or a 70" something else w/o side speakers), my old ROKU Soundbridge large that my family loves still (at least for a bit), even a new DVD/VCR combo unit with HDMI, and who knows what just yet, shopping new AV gear is fun.:)

 

From what I can tell, the Onkyo 929 provides some serious forward AVR bang-for-the-buck at the moment compared to other units priced much higher, that I have decided I do not need to be happy in 2014 at least. The extra $,  like $500 to $4,000 of them depending on how I look at it,  will be better spent on the TV, speakers, finish carpentery, and who knows what else as my project soon begins in earnest.

 

The 929 was up against : Yamaha 2030/3030, Denon AVRs, Elite SC79, Marantz 7008 and even a Sony DA5800ES, some others unnamed also and much pricier, including separates,  but the 929s features, specs, and Onkyos' experience with failed older units and need to not repeat that again, won out. If it is less than satisfying in my spaces, I have less than $900 invested with a 5 year extended warranty and free shipping, but from all the reports here and elsewhere, the 929 is very connected, capable and modern, and it is sounding like a winner. And, I think it looks very nice, too, door up or down. 

 

I will be here from time to time, thanks all for the help as usual on the great AVS Forum resource.

 

 

post #97 of 294
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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

I'm not sure I follow you.

If they are going to keep the same numbered series with and advanced number, the perception is its a newer more advanced model, which is not the case. That in itself is a deceptive practice and Onkyo has done it before.
post #98 of 294
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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

Has anyone with a 929 had this issue?

In Hardware Setup (7.4) scrolling down to Bluetooth Status, it says ready for pairing. But I can't highlight ENTER or change anything on screen by pushing ENTER on the remote. I'm trying to pair it with my Galaxy S3.

Did you try pairing it the other way from the phone after that step, enter '0000' in the phone and it should be paired.
post #99 of 294
YDR05 are you referring specifically about a Galaxy S3? If so I'm not sure where to enter that '0000'.

Also I'm still wanting to know if anyone else gets the same screen response in the hardware setup 7.4.
post #100 of 294

I just returned a HK3700 after a disappointing experience with it.

I upgraded to a 929 and I have only been impressed with it so far.

post #101 of 294
Duh! How about the Bluetooth button on the front of the receiver? I don't remember the last time I used a button on the front of a receiver but there it was and it WORKS.

The world can continue to spin.
post #102 of 294
Falconhawke, the trigger out I'm referring to is for the main zone.
post #103 of 294
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The 818 used the HQV video processor, which was removed on the 929.

According to Onkyo's site, both the 818 and 929 use Marvell Qdeo. It sounds like the version on the 929 has an abbreviated noise reduction feature set though, which could make a difference with severely overcompressed signals from the likes of broadcast, satellite, and streaming.
post #104 of 294
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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore View Post



According to Onkyo's site, both the 818 and 929 use Marvell Qdeo. It sounds like the version on the 929 has an abbreviated noise reduction feature set though, which could make a difference with severely overcompressed signals from the likes of broadcast, satellite, and streaming.

Yes they do both use the Qdeo for up scaling to.4k, deinterlacong.

The HQV was a secondary chip that performed all of the processing feats that are absent in the 929.

The HQV has been discontinued.
post #105 of 294
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Originally Posted by YDR05 View Post

Did you try pairing it the other way from the phone after that step, enter '0000' in the phone and it should be paired.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

YDR05 are you referring specifically about a Galaxy S3? If so I'm not sure where to enter that '0000'.

Also I'm still wanting to know if anyone else gets the same screen response in the hardware setup 7.4.

Sorry, didn't see this post earlier. But glad you are all set and you figured it on your own! smile.gif
post #106 of 294
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Yes they do both use the Qdeo for up scaling to.4k, deinterlacong.

The HQV was a secondary chip that performed all of the processing feats that are absent in the 929.

The HQV has been discontinued.

Thanks for the clarification, as I'm currently debating a 818 or 929 myself. Curious that Onkyo would use both solutions on the 818, when HQV has a complete solution that's bound to be less trouble to implement by itself. If Qdeo is that much cheaper, I'll need to research the quality some more. I'm familiar enough with HQV to trust it and have heard mostly positive press for Qdeo, but never used it. For BD playback my chief concern is that the AVR has the ability to extract the audio without disturbing the 24p video, which both the 818 and 929 seems to afford. I'd only be tempted to use the AVRs video processing for 720p games, 1080i BDs, and the occasional dvd. I suspect either avr will be a significant upgrade to the PS3 or projector doing the heavy lifting. Outside of tv on dvd and BD, I leave most television programming to our 50" flat panel in the living room, where such over compressed sources aren't so much of an eyesore.
post #107 of 294
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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore View Post

Thanks for the clarification, as I'm currently debating a 818 or 929 myself. Curious that Onkyo would use both solutions on the 818, when HQV has a complete solution that's bound to be less trouble to implement by itself. If Qdeo is that much cheaper, I'll need to research the quality some more. I'm familiar enough with HQV to trust it and have heard mostly positive press for Qdeo, but never used it. For BD playback my chief concern is that the AVR has the ability to extract the audio without disturbing the 24p video, which both the 818 and 929 seems to afford. I'd only be tempted to use the AVRs video processing for 720p games, 1080i BDs, and the occasional dvd. I suspect either avr will be a significant upgrade to the PS3 or projector doing the heavy lifting. Outside of tv on dvd and BD, I leave most television programming to our 50" flat panel in the living room, where such over compressed sources aren't so much of an eyesore.

Chad.

The HQV doesn't do 4k. And indeed there was some unique processing in the Vida that Qdeo doesn't do. Hence both chips.

All of the manufacturers that used HQV had to go elsewhere, including Yamaha, since the chip is no longer available.

I owned the 818 and just bought a 929.

I might have gotten another 818 buy Accessories 4 Less sells new 929s through eBay (authorized) for a fantastic price, I decided to give it a go. And have been very happy so far.

They are both great AVRs.
post #108 of 294
Thanks again. Disappointing to hear that HQV is gone, or is it just that particular version of it? They had a lot to do with equipment manufacturers emphasising quality onboard video processing during the later dvd era, when the likes of faroudja and dvdo were apparently still too pricy for sub $1k gear.

And thanks for the accessories4less tip, though I couldn't find them selling it on ebay (couldn't find them on ebay at all for that matter, but ebay only appears to allow you to search vendors by their number, not their name). All they had on their own site are factory refurbs - which my luck with refurbs has been fairly inconsistent. I'm not sure I want to gamble half the warranty considering Onkyo's past HDMI problems. Accessories4less extended warranties look pretty reasonable though, if they're trustworthy - I've never heard of the vendor until recently.
post #109 of 294
My hope is that will be a firmware update for 929 to have SubEQ. Not too sure if this ask is too much or technically not feasibile.
post #110 of 294
Too much to ask ... it's already on the higher models.
post #111 of 294
Chad;

Take a look at shoponkyo.com for an extended warranty from Onkyo. I just looked and a 2 year extension for the TX-NR929 is $65.00. I'm pretty sure that they are available for refurbs, as I got one for a refurb TX-SR605 that I bought from Accessories4Less some years ago. The extension can be purchased anytime before the "Standard" warranty expires. BTW, the 605 looked like new and never gave me one bit of trouble.

Jack
post #112 of 294
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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore View Post

Thanks again. Disappointing to hear that HQV is gone, or is it just that particular version of it? They had a lot to do with equipment manufacturers emphasising quality onboard video processing during the later dvd era, when the likes of faroudja and dvdo were apparently still too pricy for sub $1k gear.

And thanks for the accessories4less tip, though I couldn't find them selling it on ebay (couldn't find them on ebay at all for that matter, but ebay only appears to allow you to search vendors by their number, not their name). All they had on their own site are factory refurbs - which my luck with refurbs has been fairly inconsistent. I'm not sure I want to gamble half the warranty considering Onkyo's past HDMI problems. Accessories4less extended warranties look pretty reasonable though, if they're trustworthy - I've never heard of the vendor until recently.

You can always look up an ebay members name on ebay.

Just go to community at the ebay web site, located here...

http://hub.ebay.com/community

Just type in accessories4less in the search box which will then take you here...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/accessories4less/m.html

As you can see they are an excellent seller.
post #113 of 294
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Originally Posted by DexS View Post

My hope is that will be a firmware update for 929 to have SubEQ. Not too sure if this ask is too much or technically not feasibile.

Way too much to ask...!
post #114 of 294
@yadfgp: Thanks! Also for taking the time to make it easy for me!

I'm guessing since Accessories4less is advertising a special price at the moment, they're reserving inventory for their own site and not listing it on ebay.
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Take a look at shoponkyo.com for an extended warranty from Onkyo. I just looked and a 2 year extension for the TX-NR929 is $65.00. I'm pretty sure that they are available for refurbs, as I got one for a refurb TX-SR605 that I bought from Accessories4Less some years ago. The extension can be purchased anytime before the "Standard" warranty expires. BTW, the 605 looked like new and never gave me one bit of trouble.

Jack

Thanks Jack! Good price on their warranty extensions. Terrible price on their refurbs - can't imagine buying a refurb for only $20 less than brand new. Looks like accessories4less is definitely the way to go for a refurb. I like that you have 2 years to buy the warranty extension - gives us more time to find out if Onkyo really did correct their premature HDMI board failures with this unit.

@ Dave: I hope to be calling you this or next week for a price on a new unit, just as soon as I decide on exactly what to go with. The 929 is the current front runner, but I'm also looking at the Denon 4000 and Marantz 7008. I haven't completely ruled out the Onko 818, but I really like the fact that the 929 is supposed to run so much cooler, which would be a huge plus in our tiny HT with insulation accoustic panels covering half the walls and no way to regulate the temp independent of the rest of the house.
post #115 of 294
Is it normal for the 929 (or any avr) to run hotter during music playing than tv/movie playback at similar levels?
Mine reaches 150f in about 20 minutes of music playing and seldom hits 90f during home theater use according to oremote app.
The heat seems most concentrated near the rear center.

Ventilation is sufficient with 8 inches on the top and more than an inch on the sides. The front and rear are wfo.

I have a 5.1 setup with Polk monitor 60s front, csia4 center, t15 surrounds and a psw125 sub.
post #116 of 294
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Originally Posted by Ckindt View Post

Is it normal for the 929 (or any avr) to run hotter during music playing than tv/movie playback at similar levels?
Mine reaches 150f in about 20 minutes of music playing and seldom hits 90f during home theater use according to oremote app.
The heat seems most concentrated near the rear center.

Ventilation is sufficient with 8 inches on the top and more than an inch on the sides. The front and rear are wfo.

I have a 5.1 setup with Polk monitor 60s front, csia4 center, t15 surrounds and a psw125 sub.

Yikes eek.gif That's hot! And not in a good way.

It would be normal for it to run hotter with music than with HT since the music is pretty much a constant load whereas HT is a lot of short bursts of heavy loads and a lot of dialogue and quiet scenes.

That seem to be a pretty high temp. Does the manual have anything regarding normal operating temperatures?
post #117 of 294
I must correct myself. My 929 heats up to 150 while listening to any media type as long as I am using THX.
I just watched a movie a saw the temp increase to 144. I switched the audio to direct decode and the temp plummeted to 85 in about 20 mins.
There seems to be a huge load on the audio processor when THX is enabled.
Does anyone else experience this?

I am going to add an external fan to pull air through it.
post #118 of 294
^ ^ ^ ^ ^

How about non THX modes, such as the commonly used Neo-X for example?
post #119 of 294
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Originally Posted by Ckindt View Post

I must correct myself. My 929 heats up to 150 while listening to any media type as long as I am using THX.
I just watched a movie a saw the temp increase to 144. I switched the audio to direct decode and the temp plummeted to 85 in about 20 mins.
There seems to be a huge load on the audio processor when THX is enabled.
Does anyone else experience this?

I am going to add an external fan to pull air through it.

That is hot. I wonder if you're disabling more than just THX when in whatever direct mode you're referring. From what I've read the video processing generates a lot of heat in this or past Onkyos. I don't know about audyssey, or if it's automatically disabled in direct mode like it is with some avrs.
post #120 of 294
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Originally Posted by Ckindt View Post

I must correct myself. My 929 heats up to 150 while listening to any media type as long as I am using THX.
I just watched a movie a saw the temp increase to 144. I switched the audio to direct decode and the temp plummeted to 85 in about 20 mins.
There seems to be a huge load on the audio processor when THX is enabled.
Does anyone else experience this?

I am going to add an external fan to pull air through it.

That's HOT, especially since its just 5.1. I don't have numbers but I have checked the top after couple hours of movie watching and its just barely warm to touch. I am running a 7.1 setup and Neo:X or Audyssey DSX most of the times.
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