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The Time Has Come...Pre-Wire Follow Up

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Many months ago I embarked on a quest to devour any knowledge I could from the great members of AVS in hopes I could nail down my prewire install. Well after months of finalizing our plans (which are still being revised) and many late nights on the boards the house is blacked in and we anticipate the electrician finishing up sometime next week.


NOTES: The Mech space has been moved from the small lower hall closet to the now enlarged Bed 4 closet. My intentions are to do a in wall mount which the rack can be serviced from the closet.

I intend on using either NuVo or Sonos as a WHA solution with Control4 entering the picture in a few short years.

After reviewing a few platforms and my ability to have them serviced locally I have committed to a Honeywell based security system that will employ (2) Tuxedo WiFi panels operating on the Z-wave protocol.

Also to be noted is that as of now I do intend on using a TiVo Roamio w/ several TiVo Minis for TV/Cable distribution.

Below is a summary of the anticipated pre wire for comment:


Garage
(2/4) Drops for WHA. Anticipate mounting speakers to focus sound outward from the garage.

Mud Room
(1) Cat5e drop for Honeywell Tuxedo panel.
(1) Cat5e drop for data. To be located near Clutter Desk
(1) Cat5e drop for digital phone

Kitchen
(2) Drops for WHA
(2) Cat5e in wall drops for vary purposes
(1) Future use 14ga power wire for iPort semi perm. iPad mount

Dining
(?) Undecided on making any dedicated drops here

Main Living
(7) Wire pulls for 7.2 surround
(2) Wire puls for WHA. I'm thinking this will come in the form of 2 Golden Ear book shelf housed in the built in
(4) Cat5e drops @ main monitor location
(4) RG6 drops @ main monitor location
(1) Cat5e for Thermostat

Patio
(4) Drops for WHA
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location

Master Bath
(1) Future use 14ga power wire for iPort semi perm. iPad mount
(2) Drops for WHA

Master Bed
(2) Drops for WHA
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location
(1) Conduit from lower area to wall mounted TV for future install of eq. Maybe a sound bar ??
(1) Cat5e drop for digital phone
(1) Cat5e drop for Tuxedo panel

Utility
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location

Bath 2
(2) Drops for WHA

Bed 2
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location
(1) Cat5e Drop for Data
(1) Cat5e drop for digital phone

Bed 3
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location
(1) Cat5e Drop for Data
(1) Cat5e drop for digital phone

Bed 4
(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location
(1) Cat5e drop for digital phone

(2) Cat5e @ monitor location
(2) RG6 @ monitor location *I will situate these on opposing walls for flexibility

MISC

(1) Exterior penetration from front of home to the Mech Space for irrigation control
(4) Strategically placed Cat5e drops for IP Cameras



Any questions / concerns or otherwise.. I am all ears. This project will begin in approximately 10 days so I have time to rethink some things.

TIA

Jacob



Edited by DownSouthAV - 11/29/13 at 10:31pm
post #2 of 14
You have a good start on the wiring plan. I would use Cat6 for at least the runs to the Monitors and the Data and 14 awg for speakers.

I would run wire for as much security as you can. Wireless is nice but not as reliable (IMHO) as wire. Hard wire the doors and whatever windows you want to cover.

Don't forget the doorbell. 8)


Here is a good source if you haven't come across it yet ...

http://cocoontech.com/forums/files/file/64-wiring-your-new-house-101/
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the response...

* I will more than likely stick to Cat5e as I can get it for a great price. Free ! And the added benefits from what I read are not really worth the extra cost. Esp. in my case it would be a sig. cost increase

* The AV outfit I have committed to will pre run all of the security-intrusion/ fire-smoke / heat / doorbell / garage / devices for monitoring. smile.gif

* i didn't have a run for the doorbell but thanks I will now !


I have read the guide in the past but probably should revisit it before we begin wiring. Thanks Again.
post #4 of 14
For all your WHA zones are you running a cat5e to potential keypad locations as well as the speaker wire?

Same for your wall-mounted iPad locations - you want a cat5e there, too.

Jeff
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Jeff,

I did not plan on running anything to potential kaypad locations. I know this is a big no no in your approach but given the direction WHA is moving I just can't see ever installing them after utilizing the app based function. As you know, neither NuVo ( Im looking at the P series stuff) and Sonos currently don't offer any wall mounted hardwire controls anyhow. Even more so.. wouldn't a loop of audio cable only serve the purpose for a mech based vol. control?

I do plan on running a Cat5e drop for the iPad locations as well. I'll do this just in case I don't go forward with the IPort control mount hardware.


If these two are the only suggestions from you Jeff I'd consider my design a success to this point.

Regards,

JC
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by DownSouthAV View Post

Jeff,

I did not plan on running anything to potential kaypad locations. I know this is a big no no in your approach but given the direction WHA is moving I just can't see ever installing them after utilizing the app based function. Even more so.. wouldn't a loop of audio cable only serve the purpose for a mech based vol. control?

You can skip the loop of speaker cable through the keypad location and I wouldn't blame you. That recommendation comes from the CEA wiring 'standard', and is most appropriate for general pre-wiring when it's not even known if there will be any WHA system or not. The speaker wire loop allows for simple volume controls for folks that don't install a full WHA setup and just want a "zone 2"...

But since you're starting from "there will be a WHA system", the speaker-wire loop is probably unnecessary.

My recommendation was for the control wire for any intelligent keypad. And I would strongly recommend you put those in place in every WHA zone. Bury them in the wall so you don't have blank plates visible.
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As you know, neither NuVo ( Im looking at the P series stuff) and Sonos currently don't offer any wall mounted hardwire controls anyhow.

They don't offer them CURRENTLY. But what if Sonos / NuVo announced a wall-mount keypad to work with those systems tomorrow? I know I'd install them - having lived with them AND having the mobile app support... Both forms of control have their strengths.
Quote:
I do plan on running a Cat5e drop for the iPad locations as well. I'll do this just in case I don't go forward with the IPort control mount hardware.

Good, I would just replicate that in every room with WHA support...


Jeff
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback guys..

I will do my best to take pictures of the wiring progress. Eventually I will order the Slim 5 rack (unless anyone has any other suggestion for an in wall application) and some of the electronic components. At the offset I will be focusing on establishing a great wireless / wired base. As of now I intend on using a Luxul router (again suggestions are welcome) w/ D-Link switches for networking.. Also in the mix will be a Ubiquiti 8 port Edge Pro w/ POE for powering the WAP as well as future IP cameras. All wired to a punch panel with jumpers.

Tivo will be next with one Roamio and 3 Minis to provide service to TV locations around the home. I also looked at the Harmony Pro to bridge the gap between the year or two prior to Contol4 coming in as an more permanent platform.


Thanks again for the time and willingness to lend an ear...
post #8 of 14
Following along......similar situation and plan!
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Okay guys... I have my first question. As seen above I will be wiring the main living for 7.2 surround. If the intention is to house a future AVR in the upstairs closet what wiring should I pull to achieve 7.2 in the main living?

I will have the Tivo Mini in the living area. I just can't seem to picture the wiring in my head.

All 7 speakers would be wired to the AVR (check)

Out put from AVR would come in form of HDMI I would suppose... from there I would run a HDMI over Cat5 to the monitor location..inputed into the Mini? Then to the monitor?

Any input?

Thanks in Adv.

Jacob
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by DownSouthAV View Post

Out put from AVR would come in form of HDMI I would suppose... from there I would run a HDMI over Cat5 to the monitor location..inputed into the Mini? Then to the monitor?

No - sources should be located with the AVR, so that there's only one HDMI extender needed - from the AVR's output to the display. Exceptions would be a BD player or a game console that have physical media which you'd want to be able to load without going upstairs. But that begs the question - if you can house that gear somewhere in the room (a built-in), why not just house the AVR there as well and make things simpler?


Jeff
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
As always Jeff thanks for the input...

So as of now these are my options:

1) Keep my existing wiring plan as is and proceed as follows:
Mount the AVR in the rack out of the main living. The loop would be: All 14/2 ran to the closet upstairs. AVR and MINI in rack. Loop would be -> Roamio Pro > Mini > AVR > HDMI over Cat5 to Monitor in main living


2) Having the 7.2 wiring terminate to the rear of the main monitor location via wall plates and house the AVR and MINI in a built in console. I suppose I could use a Next Gen Wireless RF gadget to completely conceal the components.


So we are basically talking about the cost of a HDMI extender and cost to make the longer runs to the closet. I am a fan of simplicity but another part of the equation is that I would like to set up a 2 channel stereo listening area in the upstairs space to be powered off of another zone on the AVR. I am leaning to option 1 at this time.

Thanks again....Everyone enjoy their Saturday
post #12 of 14
I would do the pre-wiring to allow for either setup. Loop the 14/2 speaker wire through a wallplate location (wherever the AVR stack would reside) in the room, on its way back to the home-run rack location.

You'll have to decide on a remote control set up regardless if the components are hidden in cabinets or are all remotely mounted in a rack. RF, IR repeaters, lots of choices. The NextGen piece is excellent, and HDBaseT extender solutions typically include IR repeating.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well it looks like the wiring extravaganza will commence this week and into the weekend. I'll attempt to take pictures and document some of the logic as to why I am doing things in such a manner. As of now my lay out allows for extended coils of cable that will rest outside of any drywall area and will remain there for as long as I can manage.

Amendments to orignal plan:
* Will loop the 7.2 wiring down the main living wall for optional placement of AVR in both rack and built in for MainLvg monitor..
* Will be using a 14" enclosure that will house Leviton phone block. Will accept wiring from patch panel and out to phone locations.
*


I will be building my rack stand this weekend as well. Now if i only can decide what accessories to initially order to compliment the MA 5-37-26 ??


Wish me luck...

Jacob
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well... as most construction time lines go I was a little delayed due to weather and other factors. This past Thursday I and a couple of friends with much more experience than me got most of the wiring done. Please see images below. Some of the lighting is pretty garbage but you should be able to get the gist....

Rack will be flush mounted on this wall. I haven't framed it out just yet but it will house a MA Slim 5 37u rack.


















A fair amount of varying wiring images along with some of the monitor locations.

Wiring ended up being 3-5e & 2 RG6 to each main monitor location
6 different phone/data combo drops in varying locations
5e drops in strategic wall spots for WHA control

We also installed conduit in the 3 bedrooms and main living monitor locations.


Please feel free to ask any questions.


Big thanks to any board member who chimed in and offered any advice. I'll take some more images when I have all the wires dressed. I'll try to keep up this thread until rack installation is complete and all wiring in punched down in the patch panel.
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