Originally Posted by Sailor Bill
I'm not sure where I went astray. I truly respect your knowledge and willingness to help. I actually am hoping to garner some of that advice. All that said, I think that there are several points that are relevant. You seem to disparage the idea that some of us have and like a light controlled room.
I can't recall ever having taken such a stance nor have made any such comment. I do know from years of experience that the "Majority" of people on this "DIY Screen"
Forum do not have such....(..This ain't Dedicated Home Theater Builder
...) so the fact that "some" do have such rooms is only something that I know full well, and address as needed.
I doubt that is the case as I have read many posts where people have light controlled rooms. You talk about the 90% 10% deal. As you say, that has been around for a while. Is it absolutely 90% etc., of course not! It is a generalization. It really means something like " I can get most of what I want for a dollar and if i want the last bit I need to spend a lot more in dollars or effort".
Actually, it is seldom been used by anyone except to point out the lack of necessity to aspire to reach for perfection...and also, it is almost always used in both error and misrepresented at least....say, 90% of the time. A personal opinion only.....nothing based on anything but a singular personal experience. Yet when such is posted, it can indeed unduly sway the uninformed and pliable Noob.
Now agreed, for some who wish to use that reference to describe how they see their own results, and the remaining distance / effort needed to obtain that last 10%, well....they are going to do so, and have the right to do so no matter what. But still that does not mean posts that allude to that being the case in general should be left unanswered.
If you carefully look at the question that is asked, you might see that I indeed answered with a response that fit the writers inquiry. Look at what the writer's situation probably is. Young, little children, works hard and wants to chill at the end of the day. Most of us have been there. Also when you are in that situation is neither a ton of money or time. So how do we maintain the interest of this person. Do we make it complex or do we at this juncture in his life, make it complex. It's sort of the win the battle lose the war situation.
Not at all, and obviously you feel that suggesting that someone should be spending anything more than what you yourself adjudge as being "reasonable' is unconscionable and wrong, simply on the weight of a initial post. That's not how I roll. I read deeper into people's posts that most, and search out true expectations and desires if they exist. I let those individuals set the guidelines, and the OP's post was nothing if not a plea for justification....not a attempt to dismiss the need to aspire for greatness. My advice to such people is based on what I know, and how well I can convey such in my points determines how many do in fact chose a more exciting path to trod. . And for a greater percentage than you seem willing to accept are out there, even those with Light Controlled rooms can both see that advantages of going with something other than a simple white paint or Hang & Shoot" material, and thereby also see that the end result is appreciably better than they could have imagined otherwise by simple conjecture that it simply could not get much better.
A lot of that comes from members' own testimonials....I myself do not harp on how nuts it may or not be to not consider something more advanced, under any particular given situation.
(...but yeah, given some details that suggest such advice be given, I do dispense it readily enough...) That is why I can't help but be puzzled as to why you opened with your statement about how I seem to disparage the idea that some people have light controlled rooms.
No...in this instance, I was answering based on the idea that somehow you felt you had achieved 90% of the goal toward Image quality using a Panny Ae-900u and a unpainted sheet of Parkland. In reality you got about 75% there at most. Which is not to say your experience wasn't satisfying. No Sir. More rather that you were espousing a given standard of measure based on a very low end experience when compared to what even the most basic 1080p PJs with 100x the Contrast of that 'ol Panny could ever hope to muster. I myself am intimately familiar with the 900u...I know what it can do under the best of conditions on a White surface in controlled lighting, and guess again.....using a simple, inexpensive light neutral Gray paint w/20% Polyurethane added, rolled onto that Parkland...and you'd be agreeing that there is always a next step...and it need not be difficult nor all that expensive.
In this day and age, with the potential offered by even a inexpensive PJ like the OP's desired BenQ W1070, I can state without hesitation that such a PJ can benefit immensely by the selection of several varied DIY solutions that go beyond Simple White or Gray paints, or stock White ot Gray sheet material. That goes for Mfg Screens as well.
And by doing so, absolutely they can reach the vaunted 90% level, when Blacks are maintained optimally, White levels are preserved, and Colors are deeper and more saturated
So I see it as being absolutely necessary to make everyone aware of the possibilities out there. I spend a lot of time doing exactly that, but I always overview the situations pretty carefully before I settle on a particular direction. I didn't suggest anything particular to the OP in my response, nor even berate or reute the use of anything other than that darn 'ol misleading 90-10 thingee.
Lastly, nothing I posted was specifically directed at you....only the idealism behind the comments.
Now my trump card. You indicate being a grandfather which is admirable and enviable. I have two great grandchildren! Respectively, Sailor Bill
I see that card and raise you 3 Great, Great nieces and 1 Great Great nephew.
I come from a family of 10 children, 8 of 'em Sisters...2 of which are in their late 70s. A couple of their Children's children (Daughters) have already got families. Myself...I held my Sons in better check a little longer.
Let's not be Grumpy Old Men......., unless I see Ann Margret or Sophia Loren stroll by then all bets are off, Pops!