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post #211 of 367
I'm using your settings Jeff and I thank you for sharing.

I bought this Super Bowl weekend and have been messing with the picture quality since then lol. Blu Rays look great but my Comcast HD channels all have this blur to them even when raising sharpness and or edge enhancement.

I originally thought it was a scaling issue but I'm pretty sure I have it all setup correctly. I run through an Onkyo nr626 which set to "through" for the aspect. And everything is set to "just scan."

I just can't get the quality to my satisfaction. Maybe I'm just driving myself crazy and it looks great. That's what my girlfriend says. I just can't help but feel like the picture just isn't right. I even purchased the Disneys WOW DVD to assist but it says to raise the contrast crazy high so I don't know if that's accurate.

I'm pretty sure I'm keeping the TV but it's not the glass window I expected it to be. I replaced a 60 inch 1080i Samsung DLP from '06 or '07 and I'm not impressed with the quality upgrade per say. My Samsung was awesome but began starting up slower and the sound was broken among other things.

Happy with the purchase...which I could be happy with my calibration.
post #212 of 367
Phhiltubes, if you are happy with your Vizio I would just keep it. I am actually tempted to take this one back and get the Vizio. I just don't think the HD on this one is that clear and crisp. I had a 40"samsung samsung and the hd pic was awesome. I am not sure if a 60" in any brand will have a awesome pic. Any thoughts
post #213 of 367
Eddybbad, my thoughts exactly. I have Dish Network and everything was the same from my 40 inch Samsung, even the HDMI cable. I am Not sure if there is a blur but faces and everything, they're just not defined like I would think they should be. I especially notice it watching duck dynasty. I don't see the clarity in their beards which I know sounds stupid but that's what I noticed on my 40 inch Samsung.
post #214 of 367

I dunno, I have Comcast and this TV looks amazing on the HD channels (really looks pretty good in SD as well).  GoT especially looks stunning using Jeff's settings from the first page.  Its possible that you may just not like plasma's in general and an LED may appeal to you better.  Or you may just prefer DLP to anything (I have an old Hitachi 3LCD rear projection micro display in the bedroom and it still looks pretty good to me).  For me though this LG looks outstanding...

post #215 of 367
Have to agree with MegaTechPC. We watched The Hobbit BD tonight and I was having trouble following the plot because I was amazed by the visual presentation. I bought that disk after watching it on a 4k LED at BB and it looked just as good on this 60" plasma/
post #216 of 367
So I tweaked up the brightness (49) and contrast(80) very slightly while using Jeff's settings. Watching the hobbit on BD haha. It's a great choice. Quality is awesome. Blu Ray wasn't the problem however. We all agree this TV looks great with blu ray. Issues seems to be with cable television clarity and the never ending "I just feel like my settings could be better!"

Please continue to update this thread with any information you guys may come across and I will do the same.

Question: While watching the hobbit on BD I pressed the "info" on the TV remote and it says the standard "16:9 1080p" but it also says "60Hz." I'm using a LG BD player. BD player settings gives me 2 options for Hz. 24 and 60. I'm aware we can't visually see past 60Hz right so why is our plasma a 600Hz? Am I missing something here? Or just over thinking it and not knowledgeable enough as usual?
post #217 of 367
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Originally Posted by eddybbad View Post

So I tweaked up the brightness (49) and contrast(80) very slightly while using Jeff's settings. Watching the hobbit on BD haha. It's a great choice. Quality is awesome. Blu Ray wasn't the problem however. We all agree this TV looks great with blu ray. Issues seems to be with cable television clarity and the never ending "I just feel like my settings could be better!"

Please continue to update this thread with any information you guys may come across and I will do the same.

Question: While watching the hobbit on BD I pressed the "info" on the TV remote and it says the standard "16:9 1080p" but it also says "60Hz." I'm using a LG BD player. BD player settings gives me 2 options for Hz. 24 and 60. I'm aware we can't visually see past 60Hz right so why is our plasma a 600Hz? Am I missing something here? Or just over thinking it and not knowledgeable enough as usual?

Plasma refresh rates don't work the same as LCD's. You are seeing 60 frames per second, but each individual pixel flashes 10 times within each frame to produce color. 10 x 60 = 600 times the pixels are changing per second. But due to it being plasma, you won't see the same motion blurring issues that you'll get with an LCD.
post #218 of 367
I tried the other settings on this thread with little noticeable difference so I went back to Jeff's settings since he had charts to that proved his was very close. If you have any ambient light the picture suffers. Thanks again Jeff
post #219 of 367
Well, I picked this up today at wally world inYulee FL. They had a number still in stock for $598. I brought it home and my wife said why did you get a 60". Then when I plugged it in, she said she didn't know how much she loved it big. Lol. anyhow, it looks great and haven't even changed any settings yet. Getting ready to try Jeff's. I wasn't sure about getting this, but after reading this whole thread, I'm glad I did.
post #220 of 367

Congrats man!  There simply is no better value for money at 60" than this TV anywhere.  It ain't perfect but for $600 its damn close!  ;)

post #221 of 367

Hi guys.  Thanks for all the insight.  I was wondering if there is a firmware upgrade for this tv that will allow video play back.

 

Also, I tried to register this tv on lgausa.com but the product number doesn't show up on their database.

post #222 of 367

First off gotta say this thread is absolutely terrific alot of good info on this tv. I too purchased this superbowl weekend for $598. So far I have tweaked the settings jeff gave and I could not be happier with the color and picture quality it truly is amazing.

 

The one thing I have a question about is something resembling a soap opera effect like on LED's. Is there any way to fix it? I know that plasmas do not have a trumotion setting and the real cinema/motion eye relief is greyed out on blu rays. I am extremely pleased with the everything this tv puts out so far except that effect. Im not sure how else to describe it as it doesnt look as bad as some LED's that I have seen but it is noticeable and distracting. I have played with the settings and changed the modes and everything. I have never owned a plasma before and only small 40" lcd's, my 63" samsung DLP just went down and this is taking its place so is this just how plasmas look? I watched avatar last night and everything could be seen in crystal clear detail, again the only thing that bothered me was the sort of soap opeara effect.

post #223 of 367
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Originally Posted by MegaTechPC View Post

 There simply is no better value for money at 60" than this TV anywhere.

absolutely correct

makes me wonder why I have 3K worth of Pans in the house...

I mean there is a difference but it doesn't equal the $pread
post #224 of 367
Just bought this plasma the other day and got it set up and last night I noticed a bright red dot going on/off in the top left area..and its a dying pixel..VERY annoying and I can't really take it back to Walmart to get a different one ..I had to rent a uhaul pickup to get it to my home in the first place..will LG send someone out to get this fixed if I call and bitch?

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post #225 of 367
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Originally Posted by rippem View Post

absolutely correct

makes me wonder why I have 3K worth of Pans in the house...

I mean there is a difference but it doesn't equal the $pread
When I started shopping for my first plasma (2008, I think), there was Kuro, Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung. Kuro looked better to my untrained eye than the rest but was just too expensive. The others had comparable picture quality. Sony was priced between the Kuro and the others. I decided I preferred the Samsung's colors to the Panny's blacks and went that way. Still love that set. It is the star of my living room and looks great when not sitting between a Kuro and a Panny.

I have been looking for a 60-65" 1080p plasma. I was pretty well set on a Samsung panel when this came up. I hadn't gotten to looking at the Samsung sets in person, and I never will. This TV is so much less expensive. It's the new star of my living room and as far as I know the best TV biggrin.gif

(don't feel bad for that 50" Samsung 720p panel. It's now the star of my bedroom...feel bad for my wife rolleyes.gif)
post #226 of 367
So far I've used kooter's settings for 'pop' and really like them. Gonna try Jeff's on the other expert and compare. The picture on netflix, being upconverted through my Denon 3313, looks amazing!

I have been disappointed in the OTA broadcast as some seem to be soft. That was until I saw Nature on PBS this afternoon, on ducks. WOW!!!!!! I tried to do a screen shot with my small Canon p&s, but it didn't do justice. The dslr was 2 floors up so I didn't try it. It was clear as a bell at 720p. I guess the source material is a HUGE factor on this size screen. Neither of my previous HDTVs (cheap Panny 42 plasma and Sammy 50 DLP) did I see soo much difference between programs. Having read a lot of opinions that using the tuner resulted in soft images, I was REALLY happy to see how sharp it was on Nature. Toy Story 3 is looking good right now as well

Just better think of hanging a 60" mirror on the wall.....boy, it it reflective. I have a low ceiling with cans. I've tilted it forward a bit which has helped a lot.

The sound is much better than expected. I used 'music' and added more bass and treble. Certainly not any worse than the DLP was.

Has anyone found how to get this to remember different picture ratios for different channels?
post #227 of 367
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Originally Posted by Wolf182 View Post

.... I watched avatar last night and everything could be seen in crystal clear detail, again the only thing that bothered me was the sort of soap opeara effect.

I have not noticed the SOE on anything I've watched so far. A bit of Dark Night Rises and smaller bit of Avatar on the first night before adjusting. Since then I've watched quite a bit of HD movies from Netflix and have not seen it. I am also coming from a DLP, so I understand the theater type picture they create.
post #228 of 367
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Originally Posted by ztmike View Post

Just bought this plasma the other day and got it set up and last night I noticed a bright red dot going on/off in the top left area..and its a dying pixel..VERY annoying and I can't really take it back to Walmart to get a different one ..I had to rent a uhaul pickup to get it to my home in the first place..will LG send someone out to get this fixed if I call and bitch?

Sent from my XT1034 using Tapatalk

 

You can get the WOW calibration blu-ray and use the pixel flipper, which may or may not help the situation.  I don't think LG will fix a panel with one bad pixel, but you can always ask.  They may consider it "acceptable" under their panel standards.

post #229 of 367

Just an FYI

 

I just talked to LG - and the pn5000 and pn6500 are the same model - the pn5000 was made for best buy and walmart

 

heres the chat convo if interested:

 

Quote:
Ana: Hello buying today. Welcome to LG Electronics U.S.A. Support only. How may I provide you with excellent service today?
buying today: can you link me to the support page for this model? - im buying it today from a local retailer, and I cant find any official LG documents on it
Ana: Hi
Ana: It is not in our site. This model was created for Best Buy and Walmart. You would be able to find information about it in their websites
Ana: http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-60-60PN5000-1080p-600Hz-Plasma-HDTV/28419220
Ana: Actually a new link was add it to our site as well::
Ana: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-60PN6500-plasma-tv
buying today: whats the difference between this and the 6500
Ana: for the comparable model to the PN5000
Ana: It is the same unit different model number since the 5000 was create for those specific stores
buying today: ok - so the 5000 and 6500 are the same essentially?
Ana: The PN6500 should be available with other vendors
Ana: Yes
buying today: ok ana - thanks
post #230 of 367
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Originally Posted by xeno2011 View Post

You can get the WOW calibration blu-ray and use the pixel flipper, which may or may not help the situation.  I don't think LG will fix a panel with one bad pixel, but you can always ask.  They may consider it "acceptable" under their panel standards.

I talked to LG customer care and the guy I talked to once I explained the red dot/pixel coming on and going away assured me that this will be repaired by in-home service, which he then called up local repair shops and supposedly set me up with the repair guy coming out to look at it (today) well then I asked for a ticket number or something to confirm (for me) that LG will hold their word to them fixing this in my home, he gave me the number and we hung up..

Got a call a little later from the repair guy which he was nice and he told me then on the phone that he hasn't gotten the go ahead from LG to have him repair it, I asked if he usually repairs these with the red dot coming and going and he said more times than often companies like LG will repair it since there's a "zero tolerance level" for a bright red dot on the screen.

Fast forward to today and the repair guy calls and said the new panel is on order and should be here around the 17th ..so I'm guessing now that LG just went ahead and is sending out the new plasma panel for the repair guy to fix my TV. (Shocking since the repair guy never came out to look it over)

To fix it they have to put a whole new panel in..and then pay this repair guy his labor fees...so all in all I'm giving LG props for owning up and repairing this..will update once I find out more, but wanted to say this to anyone with the same trouble and finds this thread.
post #231 of 367

Hi all...newbie here.  I've read through this thread with great interest.  Just bought this for $598 from Walmart.  I see you all adjusting and calibrating right away...but from what I've read about plasmas it seems that you should break in the tv for 100-200 hours before jacking up the settings for peak performance.  Can I safely do this from day one?  (Because I'm DYING to see the results you guys are raving about!)

post #232 of 367

Well I bought mine today as well.  I figure for $650 after tax, can't do any better.  I'll probably pick it up this weekend, thanks for the insight in this thread!

post #233 of 367

Like I've said, for the money this TV just can't be beat.  It isn't the greatest plasma out there, granted, but it is still a very good 60" TV.  If you can deal with the inherent issues of plasma (such as lower brightness and screen reflectivity) then there really is no reason not to get one if you need a 60" TV.  There is simply no way that the Panny's are worth more than double the price of this TV based on image quality.  I know the VT60/ST60 have technically superior panels but they are not THAT much better than this LG in my opinion.  If you want an LED I'd say go for the Vizio E601i-A3 which WM is selling for $799.  Unless you have money to burn and really just wanna impress your buddies these low budget TV's offer everything you need and more for such an affordable price!  It really is a great time to be in the market for a 60" flat panel...

post #234 of 367
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Originally Posted by joshie0 View Post

Hi all...newbie here.  I've read through this thread with great interest.  Just bought this for $598 from Walmart.  I see you all adjusting and calibrating right away...but from what I've read about plasmas it seems that you should break in the tv for 100-200 hours before jacking up the settings for peak performance.  Can I safely do this from day one?  (Because I'm DYING to see the results you guys are raving about!)
It won't hurt it but you may have to re-tweak down the line after things settle in. I would adjust the easy things from the remote, color, brightness, black level and be patient just doing this will make look better than it ever will in the store. You decide.
post #235 of 367
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So far I've used kooter's settings for 'pop' and really like them. Gonna try Jeff's on the other expert and compare. The picture on netflix, being upconverted through my Denon 3313, looks amazing!

I have been disappointed in the OTA broadcast as some seem to be soft. That was until I saw Nature on PBS this afternoon, on ducks. WOW!!!!!! I tried to do a screen shot with my small Canon p&s, but it didn't do justice. The dslr was 2 floors up so I didn't try it. It was clear as a bell at 720p. I guess the source material is a HUGE factor on this size screen. Neither of my previous HDTVs (cheap Panny 42 plasma and Sammy 50 DLP) did I see soo much difference between programs. Having read a lot of opinions that using the tuner resulted in soft images, I was REALLY happy to see how sharp it was on Nature. Toy Story 3 is looking good right now as well

Just better think of hanging a 60" mirror on the wall.....boy, it it reflective. I have a low ceiling with cans. I've tilted it forward a bit which has helped a lot.

The sound is much better than expected. I used 'music' and added more bass and treble. Certainly not any worse than the DLP was.

Has anyone found how to get this to remember different picture ratios for different channels?
Even on OTA a number of shows look soft because that's how they are shot. You are right about the size but once you know what to look for you see it on smaller sets. When you watched Nature you saw what the set can do. I remember when TV dealers used to set their TV's on Discovery Theater it really showed the picture off.
post #236 of 367
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No not on mine, Im sure that is just the differences in sets. If you look at my charts you will see that greyscale tracks really good with those settings on my set. They are all gonna be a little different which is why posted settings usually only get you close and sometimes not close. If it looks good other than that then just back off the green on the points high setting until you like it. Other than that you have to get a meter and calibrate it yourself.

Mine definitely has a green shift as well.

After reading other plasma settings posts, they recommend not trying to adjust settings until you have at least a 100 hours on the unit and not to turn up brightness any higher than it came from the factory until then as well. And of course using break in slides Just wondering if your set had more time on it than our greenish sets?

Thanks.
post #237 of 367
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Originally Posted by joshie0 View Post
 

Hi all...newbie here.  I've read through this thread with great interest.  Just bought this for $598 from Walmart.  I see you all adjusting and calibrating right away...but from what I've read about plasmas it seems that you should break in the tv for 100-200 hours before jacking up the settings for peak performance.  Can I safely do this from day one?  (Because I'm DYING to see the results you guys are raving about!)


I've used the slides on both my LG and my Panasonic plasma's (color slides available in ST60 Panasonic thread).  Having a number of hours on the set is especially important for TV calibration (as in a professional calibration).  I believe it helps with color accuracy and depth, as plasma's tend to get better the more hours that they have on them.  I tend to watch the TV normally and run the slides at night when I am not using the TV for viewing programming.  I just get up to 100 hours and then watch the TV normally after that. 

 

I would adjust the settings on the TV from day one, then readjust as necessary after running the slides.

post #238 of 367
I have spent many hours the past week researching a decent lower cost modern replacement for my 11yo Hitachi rear-projection TV. Despite me trying to convince the wife I could refurb our old set (it had loose connectors that were causing loss of red every so often) she just wasn't with the large "old fashion" unit anymore and said it was embarrassing. Sigh..

She really could care less about any technical features, blur, etc and just wants a "decent flat screen TV". I am much more picky to price, picture quality and features. So I set out looking for TV at all local stores. I wanted a plasma but knew it really would be trouble in our many windowed room during day viewing. But every LED I looked at $1k area I just wasn't fully happy with to commit to buying. Motion blur was bothering to my eyes. To get away from it one has to start looking at midrange LED.

I happened to be looking at the deals forum here and spotted the $600 LG Plasma @ Walmart. Thinking for that price I will get plasma and just deal with mass reflections. Did a search of the model and came to this thread. I wanted this set now after hearing everyone's take on it plus I love a good value. Checked Walmart and they had ONE left in my city way across town. Drove over there late last night and put it on my Amex (for extra year of warranty).

Thanks Jeff SO much for posting your calibration settings! I watched golf last night after inputing them and for first time felt I was ON the course. It was so natural and real looking. But after further viewing all day today I feel they are off in the yellow as well as being a little too dark. My three year old has watched Caillou daily for two years now and even has a doll of him. So I am pretty familiar with Caillou. His yellow shirt on my Jeff-calibrated TV is more a "burnt mustard-yellow" compared to a more standard bright French's yellow on his doll and what we have known on my old set.

Rest of colors seem to be great with the settings given by Jeff (page 1). But once the yellow is fixed, I am sure it will also make rest of colors even more unbelievably good. If I can find the blue/red glasses that came with my DVE, I will go through that calibration and post the settings here too. Maybe it will give better yellow settings to use.

Also, for anyone concerned, YES this TV badly reflects. I have plenty sunlight coming in my viewing room and it definitely hindered viewing even with blinds drawn. A dark environment or nighttime is when this puppy really shows its potential.

And potential it has! I am convinced this is by far the best value going in TV's right now. IF you can still find one. A 1080p 60" from name brand with all the benefits of plasma for $650 w/tax! The next closest would be the Samsung PN60F5300 @ $899. Or a low end LED like the Vizio E-series.

-Update: A simple change in the Yellow {Color Management} from Jeff's -30 to -20 has really helped the overall color of the picture. Most importantly Caillou's shirt is much closer to what it should be.
Edited by Scottn1 - 2/16/14 at 3:25am
post #239 of 367
What are slides?? And can I adjust pic settings before calibrating? This is somewhat confusing to me.
post #240 of 367
As fitting for this thread, I am still on the fence about my 5000.

After posting a question (http://www.avsforum.com/t/793006/st-louis-mo-hdtv/12900#post_24360788) as to OTA programs appearing soft, I am convinced that it is due to the local channels sharing their bandwith with their sub channels. Each station has at least one 480i subchannel in addition to their 'HD' 720p.

Went to costco to view that (as reviewed as superior) the Sammy 5350 (same as the 5300). Granted it was in store and sitting next to bright LCDs. I even adjusted the screen to one posted on the 5300 calibrating thread, Blacks are not black. The blacks on the next to it Sharp, blew it away.

Did I compare the LG and Sammy side by side? No. Do I think the Sammy is worth the extra $250? No.

I don't think the LG upconverts on it's HDMI input. As I've said, I've viewed Netflix thru my Denon 3313 (having the Denon upconvert the 720p to 1080p and the picture is great. My Denon will pass thru the signal if it is powered off and I had the chance to view the same video without the Denon processing the signal. There was a BIG difference, so I assume that there isn't any upconvert over HDMI.

Right now I am struggling whether to pull the trigger on this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1J70MY0823&clickid=wG2RRfSMSRHKXmoQomQuKwP2UkTUDX2J2UdFVw0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=10531&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

Sammy's VERY good unit from 2012.

I also viewed my first oled at the magnolia room last night. OMG, this LG unit had UNBELIEVABLE blacks! They had the Sammy 8500 on the opposite side of the room and it's blacks looked gray, watching the same feed in the same ambient lighting.
Edited by guest68 - 2/16/14 at 11:16am
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