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Another "help a newbie" thread...$1000-$1250 5.1 ht budget

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hello all,

hopefully I am following all of the rules here...

 

I am buying a home theater setup for the first time, ever...and have never been much of a speaker guy. or a home theater guy. having said that, i would like to do it right, or as right as the budget allows. As the title states, I am limited to about $1250 max for the speakers/sub, and am "planning" on pairing it all to an Onkyo TX-NR626 Receiver (open to suggestions, but am getting that for about $675 delivered).

 

The room this is going in is 17' deep and 12' wide, with a 10' ceiling. It is a new home, less than a year old, but built by a "production builder" and not exactly custom, so it is not sound-proof or anything like that, but I am not too worried about that at the  moment. The video portion of the ht budget is most likely going towards an epson 5030ub, with a vapex 120" fixed screen. Again, open to suggestions, but this isn't the right forum. (but for the record, the 5030ub, 2 x 3d glasses, ceiling mount, cover, screen, 35' hdmi 1.4 cable and screen for $3000 delivered)

 

So, the speaker sets I am looking at are as follows:

Klipsch: $1200 delivered

2 x RF-42 II towers, 1 x RC-42 II center, 2 x RS-41 II surround, 1 x SW-110 sub

 

or

 

Premier Acoustic: $1250 delivered

2 x PA-8F towers, 1 x PA-8C center, 2 x PA-8S surround, 1 x PA-150 sub

 

I'm an audio noobie, and I've heard of Klipsch, but never Premier Acoustic. can't find much on the net about them, but most of the "legitimate" sounding stuff seems favorable. warranty sounds the same, and they have been around a few years now. only threads i see on them with any traffic are fairly old.

 

anyway, thoughts? better suggestions for the money?

 

if i go premier acoustics and go a level down, to the 6 series and a 12" sub, i could get an extra pair of surround speakers for 7.1 for $1200...so that is a thought.

post #2 of 13
The Klipsch speakers aren't bad but that Klipsch subwoofer is terrible. The Premiere Acoustics speakers do not look great (keep in mind I haven't heard them) but that sub is very good, one of the best for its price. Here is one think I would consider for $1200 which I think would be far superior:
Infinity Primus p363 towers for front left/right
Infinity Primus c351 center speaker
Infinity Primus p153 for surround speakers
Premiere Acoustics PA-150 Subwoofer

Altogether that is $1250 shipped almost exactly, however you may be able to get the PA-150 for less if you make an offer, see if they will go for $400. If you need bookshelf speaker mounts, these Videosecus are not only some of the cheapest, they are also some of the best. If you need HDMI cable and speaker cable, get that at monoprice.com, do NOT get it at electronics stores, the mark ups are very high on those peripherals.
post #3 of 13
Since you are new to HT, and plan on spending that much on speakers your best bet is to listen to them in person if you can. Kilpsch speakers can be ear fatiguing to some on the higher end due to the horn loaded tweeters, while others enjoy their more 'forward' sound. Some ID brands currently have some of their brands on sale and may fall within your budget, like Ascend Acoustics, Emp Tek, Aperion Audio, Hsu, etc. Take your time shopping for speakers, it can be daunting but you don't want to have buyers remorse. Check the return policies for both the Klipsch and Premier Acoustics speakers, if you don't like the sound you don't want to have to be stuck with them for awhile. Another option for a subwoofer could be the SVS PB-1000 which is currently $499, they have a 45 day in home trial with free shipping both ways.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks to the both of you for your responses...45 views but only the two of you offering advice, seems kind of odd. but maybe they just agreed with what you both said :)
 
shadyJ, could you elaborate on the sub? what is it that makes it great?
those infiniti speakers do look sleek, and on the website that i am pricing out the systems in the first post, the links you provide are really good deals in comparison so that would be great...although looking at infiniti's website, sound distributor's are actually pricing the infiniti's well over retail price, so who knows what is going on there. i was planning on saving a little money and installing shelves for the side and rear speakers to sit on, but haven't fully committed to that yet. i am a bit of a techie and buy most of my junk online, so am fully aware that the retail stores have mucho markup on any and everything, but appreciate you looking out for me.
 
darkpoet, as always someone comes in and speaks common sense and the tide has turned. this is definitely a significant investment for me as i have never spent this kind of cash on anything aside from a car or house and doing so without listening to several brands would be idiotic i suppose. and speaking of the klipsch being fatiguing, i am not sure what that means, but my neighbor has some higher end klipsch that he bought from sound distributors and they do seem to wear me out lol...i attributed it more to the volume, but maybe it was a little of everything. any recommendations about where i can go in the dallas-fort worth area to listen to a good diversity of speaker brands?
post #5 of 13
What makes the PA-150 great is this set of measurements. That is very good for $500, and better when you consider you can get it for less than $500. The upper bass output, from 60 Hz and up, matches or exceeds SVS's, Rythmiks, and Hsu's flagship subs, and if you don't know they are some of the top dog sub makers around here, and those are $1K to $2K subs. It's deep bass isn't great, ie below 30 Hz, but the mid bass is pretty good. Instead of trying to to everything and failing at everything due to a very limiting cost, it chooses what it wants to do well and does it great. You have to make compromises at that price, and I think the PA-150 makes some very intelligent ones.

As for the Infinitys, I would bet in overall performance metrics they would be much superior to the Klipsch and PA speakers, the Primus are very highly regarded for their price and their great value has been confirmed time and time again in third-party measurements. By the way, if you have a Fry's nearby, you can often get the p363 and Primus bookshelf speakers for even less than Amazon prices if you keep your eyes open on their sales. We are talking the towers for $110 each, and the bookshelf speakers for $50 to $60 each.
post #6 of 13
Go to HTD in Plano, TX
http://www.htd.com/About-Us-HTD

Look at the Level Three
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers

And Level Two
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-two-speakers

And, you may get 10% off
post #7 of 13
If you have a Fry's near(I believe they have a store there), you could listen to the Klipsch as well as Polk, Infinty, JBL and Martin Logan. Not the most ideal set up but they are a big box store.
post #8 of 13
You might want to consider spending less on your Avr, and use the money saved for speakers and sub. Sound quality will only be as good as your speakers and you can get a good 5.1 Avr with enough power and room correction software for around 300!
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by darkpoet25 View Post

Since you are new to HT, and plan on spending that much on speakers your best bet is to listen to them in person if you can. Kilpsch speakers can be ear fatiguing to some on the higher end due to the horn loaded tweeters, while others enjoy their more 'forward' sound. Some ID brands currently have some of their brands on sale and may fall within your budget, like Ascend Acoustics, Emp Tek, Aperion Audio, Hsu, etc. Take your time shopping for speakers, it can be daunting but you don't want to have buyers remorse. Check the return policies for both the Klipsch and Premier Acoustics speakers, if you don't like the sound you don't want to have to be stuck with them for awhile. Another option for a subwoofer could be the SVS PB-1000 which is currently $499, they have a 45 day in home trial with free shipping both ways.

This is great advice. It's important to remember that speakers have the biggest impact on your sound quality but they are also very subjective. Darkpoet hit the nail on the head. Take time and learn what kind of speaker you like, what kind of sound you enjoy. Then you will be better able to home in on what speakers to focus on.

 

Another important note to consider is that some speaker ID companies have free shipping both ways. Both SVS speakers (just like their subwoofers) and Aperion have free shipping both ways and free trial periods.

 

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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

You might want to consider spending less on your Avr, and use the money saved for speakers and sub. Sound quality will only be as good as your speakers and you can get a good 5.1 Avr with enough power and room correction software for around 300! 

This is great advice also. Save on the AVR for now and redirect the money into the subwoofer and speakers.

 

I would consider the

SVS PB 1000

Rythmik LV12R

Outlaw LFM-1

Hsu VTF-2 MK4

 

 

 

post #10 of 13
For the sub I went with the klipsch RW12D, was 375 when I bought it, but looks to be a bit more expensive now.

I love it, no complaints. Now this is my first home theater as well so I can't claim to be an audiophile, but I can tell you it definitely gets the job done.


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post #11 of 13
I think the Klipsch rw12d sub is mostly gone now! I was able to get the EMPtek 1010i for around 250 and that sub is better than the Klipsch, IMHO!
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

thank you all for the advice

 

i do have a fry's, and have been in there several times, so not sure why i didn't think of that. will defo give the infinity speakers a listen, and may run out to plano since i work out there and check out htd, but am a little nervous about that since i dont know what to look or listen for really. but a 30 day in home trial seems fair. i may have found the 626 for $80 cheaper, so really hoping i wont have to skimp on that. i know the speakers are important, but it took years to get to a position where the boss agreed to let me put the jack into this setup, im concerned if i skimp on something i may not get to upgrade for a long time. i will try to hit fry's this weekend and will update you all on my thoughts.

 

i really appreciate the feedback from all of you. i spend a lot of time on tech sites (forums) and do my best to help out those with questions, but there aren't many like me on most sites i frequent. good to see that isnt the case here.

 

thanks again

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by xtrigx View Post

thank you all for the advice
and may run out to plano since i work out there and check out htd, but am a little nervous about that since i dont know what to look or listen for really. but a 30 day in home trial seems fair. thanks again

They make some good speakers - visit them and audition them - then see what happens from there >
they have good customer service.
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