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Poll Results: How much did you spend on your amp? (whatever happens to drive your speakers, interated, avr, separate, etc)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 9% (10)
    0-300$
  • 14% (15)
    300-500$
  • 14% (15)
    500-750$
  • 17% (18)
    750-1000$
  • 21% (22)
    1000-2000$
  • 26% (28)
    2000- Dont even ask.......
104 Total Votes  
post #61 of 114
Lefthandluke makes a great point, people like Arny have been great to me and others, I think we all appreciate them.
post #62 of 114
FMW, let me ask you, just for curiocity, did you use your "The amp in the 2 channel stereo was $199" for the auditioning/tests, as you mentioned in the other Audio tread, making your firm statements to audio community:
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I'll just add that anything more "HD" than redbook 16/44 doesn't provide a sonic improvement over redbook.
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Hi-res" has no audible improvement over redbook 16/44
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Mine are also recorded in 24 bit format. Then I down sample the audio to 16/44 and compare the two recordings in a bias controlled test. That means I have no idea which version is playing at any given time. There isn't a whit of difference sonically.
post #63 of 114
No, I used the high end equipment I owned in my subjective audiophile days. Audio Research, B&W 802 Matrix, that sort of stuff. The comments about 24 bit audio come from my small recording studio - stuff most people wouldn't know about on this forum and DIY MTM nearfield monitors. Why do you ask?
post #64 of 114
Well, I thought that could help to understand why you do not hear the difference:
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Hi-res" has no audible improvement over redbook 16/44
I did not mean whatsoever that in order to hear the difference more expensive equipment has to be used, just wanted to get more details.
I was afraid that if this is really true, those big guys like Sony, if they would read this forum, would start getting nervous and plan to kill SACD as a format they invented and stop new SACD equipment future developments. No one wants to be accused for pushing an industry which appears does not provide any value adding to listeners.....biggrin.gif
Edited by bordo32 - 12/11/13 at 2:35pm
post #65 of 114
^^^ Please let's not let this thread devolve into a competing audio format one. ^^^

Let's try to stay on topic.

Also as much as I respect others' observations on the validity of spending what one did on one's amplifier, they belong in other appropriate threads as well. The OP asked "How much did you spend on amplification?" with a poll. Nothing more. Any comments should address the same.
Edited by citizen arcane - 12/11/13 at 3:33pm
post #66 of 114
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Originally Posted by bordo32 View Post

Well, I thought that could help to understand why you do not hear the difference:
I did not mean whatsoever that in order to hear the difference more expensive equipment has to be used, just wanted to get more details.
I was afraid that if this is really true, those big guys like Sony, if they would read this forum, would start getting nervous and plan to kill SACD as a format they invented and stop new SACD equipment future developments. No one wants to be accused for pushing an industry which appears does not provide any value adding to listeners.....biggrin.gif

I wouldn't worry about it. There are still people paying thousands of dollars for a DAC or power amp. I'm sure they will be buying "HD" audio as well. People don't do bias controlled listening to learn what is and what is not audible. So it isn't that hard to convince them of anything in audio. If it makes sense, people will believe it and, if they believe it, they will hear it. It's been working for the high end audio industry for 1/2 a century. While the internet does seem to speed up communications, trying to correct some of the "common knowledge" is definitely an uphill battle.

One correction, however, I did do some bias controlled tests on audio file compression that were accomplished with a computer and a headphone. The 24 vs 16 bit bit tests were done through a pair of MTM monitors that I built.
post #67 of 114
^^^ Please let's not let this thread devolve into a competing audio format one. ^^^

Let's try to stay on topic.
post #68 of 114
Fine. On topic.

I have two 2.1 systems in different rooms (I'll not discuss the 5.1 system in this thread).

1) In my bedroom system, I have a 1st generation Marantz slim profile AVR (NR1601). I paid $499 new. It has great switching capabilities, Marantzs' ill-fated foray into their own proprietary room correction (but it works), and 50W per channel -- enough for that room and how I use it.

2) In my listening room, I use a 2nd generation Marantz slim profile AVR (NR1402). I paid $399 new. It has great switching capabilities, plenty of assignable inputs, and one of the incarnations of Audessey room correction (and 50W per channel). Because I crank it in that room and want more headroom and I have inefficient speakers, I use it as a preamp/processor and send its crossed over signal to a Parasound 2125 two channel amp (125 wpc) and a subwoofer with its own amp. I paid $750 for the Parasound, so I voted $500-750 in the poll. I get the feeling I should have voted higher.

OP, do you feel better now?
Edited by Will2007 - 12/11/13 at 7:30pm
post #69 of 114
HT-$650 for a Denon 2311 a few years ago

2-channel-$850 for Parasound 275 Amp (new) and Parasound 2100 preamp (used)
post #70 of 114
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Originally Posted by bordo32 View Post

Well, I thought that could help to understand why you do not hear the difference:
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Hi-res" has no audible improvement over redbook 16/44

What property related to an amplifier's cost would impact favorably or unfavorably on a listening evaluation of that kind?
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I did not mean whatsoever that in order to hear the difference more expensive equipment has to be used, just wanted to get more details.
I was afraid that if this is really true, those big guys like Sony, if they would read this forum, would start getting nervous and plan to kill SACD as a format they invented and stop new SACD equipment future developments.

Don't you think that has already happened?
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No one wants to be accused for pushing an industry which appears does not provide any value adding to listeners.....biggrin.gif

I suspect that this is the crux of the matter.
post #71 of 114
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

What property related to an amplifier's cost would impact favorably or unfavorably on a listening evaluation of that kind?
Don't you think that has already happened?
I suspect that this is the crux of the matter.

Oh dear, now we have to see the "stay on topic" warning again LOL!

Well at least we have the hope of Blu-ray for multi channel content for those of us that enjoy that type of presentation.

^^^ Please let's not let this thread devolve into a competing audio format one. ^^^

Let's try to stay on topic.

Let me save you the trouble, you're welcome!
Edited by Pet Motel - 12/12/13 at 8:37am
post #72 of 114
In 1980 I spent a hair over $1000 for a brand new Crown DC-300A amplifier. I've purchased a number of used and new amps since then, ranging from $200 to $700 each. I don't see any practical purpose for spending more than that. If people want to toss away lots of cash on eye candy and fancy sounding names, that's their business. Big money doesn't often buy better sound.
post #73 of 114
The single most expensive power amp I bought was quite a few years back. A Mark Levinson No. 23 for around $1,500, I think.. Wanted one ever since I first saw that big Darth Vader looking thing in the magazines.

It's a great amp, drives my rather lowish impedance Thiel CS3.6s with ease. That said, it's currently in the corner gathering dust as I play with other amps I have. Don't regret buying it all because as I said it was love at first sight, but by the same token I'm happy to have bought it used rather than at full retail.
post #74 of 114
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

The single most expensive power amp I bought was quite a few years back. A Mark Levinson No. 23 for around $1,500, I think.. Wanted one ever since I first saw that big Darth Vader looking thing in the magazines.

It's a great amp, drives my rather lowish impedance Thiel CS3.6s with ease. That said, it's currently in the corner gathering dust as I play with other amps I have. Don't regret buying it all because as I said it was love at first sight, but by the same token I'm happy to have bought it used rather than at full retail.

A few years ago I (along with 2 other people) was given a Pass Threshold 4e in LN condition - I dunno maybe $8K when new. I put it on the test bench to see that it was in LN condition technically, and listened to it and then it was sold on AudioGon by one of my partners for pretty much our asking price. Paid some real estate taxes with my share. Sic transit gloria. ;-)

post #75 of 114
Haven't looked recently, but last time I considered selling the Levinson they were going for same/similar as I paid, if not a bit more. I figure it's not going anywhere though. Too much of a hassle to box the tank and ship it off, and there is little market potential for local sale. Besides, there is no compelling financial reason that I need to sell it.
post #76 of 114
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Haven't looked recently, but last time I considered selling the Levinson they were going for same/similar as I paid, if not a bit more. I figure it's not going anywhere though. Too much of a hassle to box the tank and ship it off, and there is little market potential for local sale. Besides, there is no compelling financial reason that I need to sell it.
This is precisely the reason I still have the ME amplifiers.
post #77 of 114
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Haven't looked recently, but last time I considered selling the Levinson they were going for same/similar as I paid, if not a bit more. I figure it's not going anywhere though. Too much of a hassle to box the tank and ship it off, and there is little market potential for local sale. Besides, there is no compelling financial reason that I need to sell it.
This is precisely the reason I still have the ME amplifiers.

Did you buy them from a guy named Trevor?
post #78 of 114
My ML came from Daryl.
post #79 of 114
Running an Adcom GFA 545 II, and Adcom GTP 400 bought in 1991. Cant remember what i paid but it must have been around $500 or so. Jolida JD9 phono preamp I bought 3 years ago.
post #80 of 114
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post


As Tonto is reputed have said at the Lone Ranger's last stand: Who is this "We", white man? ;-)
That's an old one Arny,
Actually the punch line is "What do you mean 'We', Kemosabe?" smile.gif
post #81 of 114
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post


As Tonto is reputed have said at the Lone Ranger's last stand: Who is this "We", white man? ;-)
That's an old one Arny,

What do you expect from an old guy! ;-)
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Actually the punch line is "What do you mean 'We', Kemosabe?" smile.gif

Not the way I heard it. ;-)

Not to get technical about a joke, but Kemosabe is a term of endearment which doesn't fit with the rest of the punch line. The racial reference agrees with the foreseeable outcome of the punch line - which is that Tonto deserts Lone Ranger.
post #82 of 114
The "original" line was simply, "What you mean . . .WE?" And it's actually from a Mad Magazine spoof. Details here.
post #83 of 114
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Did you buy them from a guy named Trevor?
No, but I know the man to whom you're referring.
post #84 of 114
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Originally Posted by mcnarus View Post

The "original" line was simply, "What you mean . . .WE?" And it's actually from a Mad Magazine spoof. Details here.
That's it!
Nice work.
post #85 of 114
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Did you buy them from a guy named Trevor?
No, but I know the man to whom you're referring.
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Originally Posted by mcnarus View Post

The "original" line was simply, "What you mean . . .WE?" And it's actually from a Mad Magazine spoof. Details here.

Intrestingly enough, the details say the original joke was "“What you mean ‘we,’ white man?,” " the short version was the original from the magazine. The time and date shown about match up with my recollections later 50s early 60s.

Trevor was one of the few civilized souls left on rec.audio.opionon in its declining days. He promoted the ME as a solution for speakers with crazy low impedance curves, which it probably was.
Edited by arnyk - 12/15/13 at 3:22am
post #86 of 114
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

That's an old one Arny,
Actually the punch line is "What do you mean 'We', Kemosabe?" smile.gif

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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Not the way I heard it. ;-)

Not to get technical about a joke, but Kemosabe is a term of endearment which doesn't fit with the rest of the punch line. The racial reference agrees with the foreseeable outcome of the punch line - which is that Tonto deserts Lone Ranger.

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Originally Posted by mcnarus View Post

The "original" line was simply, "What you mean . . .WE?" And it's actually from a Mad Magazine spoof. Details here.

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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post


Intrestingly enough, the details say the original joke was "“What you mean ‘we,’ white man?,” " the short version was the original from the magazine. The time and date shown about match up with my recollections later 50s early 60s.




oh fer cryin' out loud...
post #87 of 114
I have the Audio Research LS-26 preamp ($6000), and the Musical Fidelity M6PRX power amplifier ($3500).

It don't get much better at any price.

The new Arcam A19 integrated amplifier is only $999 and looks like a winner if that is your price range. Arcam makes very good-sounding stuff for the discerning buyer with a modest budget.
post #88 of 114
I spent about $800 on the Rotel 10 years ago. I would be seriously looking at the HD 990 if I had to replace it. I have the matching CD player and quite like it.
post #89 of 114
i spent $20 on a lepai t-amp.
post #90 of 114
50$ on a Quad 33/405/FM3 tuner combo
And about 250 Euros on a hypex As 2.100 amp. The hypex does major duty now, the quad jumps in when ther is a problem. The hypex gets the signal direct from the PC soundcard in SPDIF and does its own decoding (48/16).
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