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The Review at a Glance: (max score: 5 )

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Studio and Year: Disney - 2013
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Feature running time: 149 minutes
Genre: Western/Action

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 2.40:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio, French/Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Johnny Depp, Armie Hammer, Tom Wlikinson, William Fichtner, Barry Pepper, James Badge Hale, Helena Bonham Carter, Ruth Wilson
Directed by: Gore Verbinski
Music by: Hans Zimmer
Written by:Justin Haythe, Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio
Region Code: A,B,C

Blu-ray Disc release Date: December 17, 2013







"Never take off the mask"


Film Synopsis:

Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer star in The Lone Ranger, from Jerry Bruckheimer Films and Director Gore Verbinski. It’s a wild ride of high velocity action, explosions and gunfights that brings the famed masked legend to life through brand-new eyes. The Lone Ranger (Hammer), the last of his kind, teams with Tonto (Depp), a dark and mysterious vigilante, to seek vengeance after justice has failed them. It’s a runaway train of epic surprises, as these two unlikely heroes must learn to work together before the ultimate showdown between good and evil explodes.

My Take:

I have made no bones about my tolerance for actions films that favor style over substance especially if I like the cast and the vision of the director. Growing up I remember seeing the reruns of The Lone Ranger TV series and while they were fine if nothing else was on I can’t say that I found the show of characters to be all that entertaining. I did however like the idea of the masked hero and his sidekick and when I saw that Disney and the makers of the Pirates of the Caribbean films series were bringing them to the big screen I kept an open mind despite seeing teaser trailers that didn’t inspire me to want to see it theatrically.

The narrative is an origin story as told to a young boy in the early 1930’s at a San Francisco carnival by an elderly Tonto who works as a live attraction at a western exhibit. It is most definitely a buddy action/comedy flick that follows the two characters detailing who they are, how they came together, and most importantly the impetus for the justice seeking duo that they become. The various plot points smack of convention but what western doesn’t? The integrated humor is exactly what you would expect from Johnny Depp whose quirky take on Tonto goes a little left of center more often than not but is spot within the film’s thematic context. That isn’t to not give credit where it’s due to Armie Hammer and to a lesser degree Helena Bonham Carter who steals each of her few scenes.

The levity doesn’t interfere in the film’s central plot/theme built around a post-civil war west that derives its storyline from the greed that began with the discovery of silver and the beginnings of rail travel which led power hungry tycoons to align themselves with outlaws in furtherance of their agendas. The script contains elements of drama, mild romance, suspense, thrills and an abundance of action which at times reaches over the top. Is it a little silly? Sure, but if you’re open to summer blockbuster style entertainment infused with a throwback type story, convention be damned, there is lots of un to found here. In addition to Depp and Hammer who have great onscreen chemistry the remaining members of the cast, the aforementioned Helena Bonham Carter, Tom Wilikson and the always reliable William Fichtner are all terrific in support.

Sparing no expense the film was shot on location in the American South West and features big ticket stunts and special effects that capably enrich the proceedings. The backdrop for many of the film’s sequences, are simply gorgeous and play an integral role as important as any character. This certainly isn’t classic filmmaking nor is it intended to be. It doesn’t take itself too seriously and is intended to be fan friendly popcorn entertainment. In that light it succeeds admirably.


Parental Guide:

The rating is for sequences intense action and violence and some suggestive material.



AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


Audio: 98

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Video: 100

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The Lone Ranger comes to Blu-ray Disc from Disney Home Video featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 31 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 6.3 mbps.

This is a reference quality high definition transfer that looks spectacular. Images are transparent with exquisite detail and a near infinite sense of depth. Close ups and mid-level shots are incredibly detailed and revealing of even the subtlest nuance visible within facial features, clothing, and objects/backgrounds within the frame. The wide angle shots of the sprawling sun drenched vistas look absolutely stunning. Fidelity is never in question regardless of the camera’s perspective. Colors are kept within the scope of the time frame which means lots of browns, grays, and blacks. The stylized color palate deemphasizes primaries but the dusty earth tones have a rewarding quality nonetheless. Skin tones are on the vanilla side but texturally revealing. Blacks are rich, gradationally strong and dynamic which helps them pop during sequences that contained both light and dark elements. Detail in uneven light and darkened environments reveal discerning shapes and structure in backgrounds/objects. I found this to be an impressive and pristine quality high definition video offering that left an impression.

This 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack is demonstration quality and is sure to please those who like to give their systems a workout. This recording has wide dynamic range and boasts superlative clarity and high level detail. Dialogue is definitive and appreciably lucid through the center channel as it reaches far into the room. It’s located just slightly in front of the left/right speakers within the acoustic space it occupies in the soundfield. I never had any trouble distinguishing even the slightest changes in the pitch or inflection of voices. Front channel separation and imaging is excellent. This drew out both large and small sound elements and allowed their directional correlation based upon the onscreen events to be definable. Near field sounds are accurately placed within the sound field which gives them multi-dimensional perspective that places you right in the middle of the action.

At times the room is illuminated with an array of sounds that are both directional and ambient in nature. I appreciated the attention to detail that went into creating the surround mix as it effectively replicates the environments and aural placement featured in the film. Bass is rich, authoritative, and room energizing as it accentuates the audio’s superb dynamic range with palpable impact. Hans Zimmer’s music score enlivens the action with an airy, detailed and sibilant free presence that is never intrusive but is overtly involving. This is a terrific audio/video presentation that truly enhanced my enjoyment of this film.

Bonus Features:

  • (HD) Armie’s western road trip – 14 minute featurette

  • (HD) Becoming a cowboy – 8 minute production featurette

  • (HD) Riding the rails of The Lone Ranger – 10 minute production featurette

  • (HD) Deleted scene (CGI pre-visualization)

  • (HD) Bloopers – 4 minutes

  • Bonus DVD

  • Digital Copy




Final Thoughts:

From the filmmakers that brought us the Pirates of the Caribbean films, The Lone Ranger is a big scale buddy/action comedy with a throwback style emphasis that is underscored by solid chemistry by stars Johnny Depp and Armis Hammer. Its bloated runtime and conventional script might put some off but I enjoyed its engaging action, fun interplay, well placed cast and superb production design. Speaking of superb its high definition presentation from Disney Home Video looks and sounds marvelous featuring a sparking video quality and an invigorating 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master surround mix. The supplemental package is noticeably light providing only a glimpse behind the scenes and limited cast/crew feedback. Nonetheless The Lone Ranger is recommended if for no other reason than to check out its great presentation on Blu-ray.



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Ralph Potts
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post #2 of 72
Thanks yet again for another review Ralph. Unfortunately, I can't stand Johnny Depp. Heck, I love pirates, and hate the Pirates of the Caribbean movies because of what others say is the most enjoyable character (Jack Sparrow). Mr. Depp seems to play the same character just with different costumes and dialects, which are all too annoying to me.

Because of such and its more miss than hit ratings from sources that I seem to align with, I'm going to pass on this one no matter how good it looks and sounds. Not that it matters to anyone else here. We all have actors that we like and dislike and Depp happens to be one of them for me that I won't see.
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Thanks yet again for another review Ralph. Unfortunately, I can't stand Johnny Depp. Heck, I love pirates, and hate the Pirates of the Caribbean movies because of what others say is the most enjoyable character (Jack Sparrow). Mr. Depp seems to play the same character just with different costumes and dialects, which are all too annoying to me.

Because of such and its more miss than hit ratings from sources that I seem to align with, I'm going to pass on this one no matter how good it looks and sounds. Not that it matters to anyone else here. We all have actors that we like and dislike and Depp happens to be one of them for me that I won't see.

Greetings,

I completely understand Nick. Thanks for chiming in... smile.gif


Regards,
post #4 of 72
I hadn't planned on getting this because of the negative reviews given on it's theatrical release, but seeing that the audio and video are very highly rated, I may have to change my mind. Thanks for the review.
post #5 of 72
NEVER let critics decide your viewing pleasure! If not sure Rent it, then if you like it, Buy it! Christmas is coming, get your kids to pay for as a Christmas gift! Now, if you don't like it, then you're not out any monies.Saves me a lot between Father's Day, Birthday and Christmas. (I buy the cheaper ones, and let the family get the expensive ones!)
post #6 of 72
This is one movie that was a waste of time, having seen it at a theater on opening day and a major disappointment. Cannot suggest it as purchase for anyone, unless that person truly enjoyed it and there are some who did. And would Ralph Potts buy it, having given it a 99 rating? If so, it is an indication of your preferences and your priorities.
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And would Ralph Potts buy it, having given it a 99 rating? If so, it is an indication of your preferences and your priorities.

Greetings,

Not even sure what it is you're trying to say... confused.gif


Regards,
post #8 of 72
Sounds like (pun intended!) this will be a rental for me, provided that the rental from Netflix has the 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio on it.

Cal68
post #9 of 72
Ralph

Great review. I am anxiously waiting to pick this one up
post #10 of 72
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Greetings,

Not even sure what it is you're trying to say... confused.gif


Regards,

As a reviewer and having seen it on BR, would you buy it or not? Movies can always be a subjective with respect to what one prefers or likes.
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

As a reviewer and having seen it on BR, would you buy it or not? Movies can always be a subjective with respect to what one prefers or likes.

Greetings,

Gotcha. The answer after seeing it is, yes. smile.gif


Regards,
post #12 of 72
As I mentioned on the other website, I watched this Blu-ray release last night.

I was frankly surprised how much I enjoyed this movie considering the poor word of mouth and lousy media reviews it got when it debuted in theaters. Basically carries the same tone as Disney's Pirates movies (lighthearted action adventure with a few moments of rather strong gore/violence) which is not surprising considering Verbinski directed the first three Pirate movies also for Disney. It's not a "great" film, and there's a few parts that kind of drag (it *is* nearly 2 1/2 hours long) but overall I enjoyed it. Johnny Depps "Tonto" is played a bit lower key than his Jack Sparrow and Hammer's Ranger really doesn't come off all that strong until the last set piece.

I agree that the blu-ray looks and sounds amazing. Razor sharp image and nice directional surround sound activity. Definitely among the best live action movie home video releases in terms of sound and picture for 2013.
post #13 of 72
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

NEVER let critics decide your viewing pleasure! If not sure Rent it, then if you like it, Buy it! Christmas is coming, get your kids to pay for as a Christmas gift! Now, if you don't like it, then you're not out any monies.Saves me a lot between Father's Day, Birthday and Christmas. (I buy the cheaper ones, and let the family get the expensive ones!)

I completely agree about letting critics blindly decide what someone watches.

However, I'm not talking about the "mainstream" critics. I find reviewers, not "critics" that I resonate with and get a few of them. I like Spill Crew and Jeremy Jahns and their YouTube channels. Of course, I check out every one of Ralph's reviews, even if it is for movies that I didn't care to see in theaters, because there are some common thread there that I can relate to (like The Way Way Back. Saw it by pure chance and the whole family really liked it. Then, like 2 days later, Ralph recommended it.)

I ignore most of the "critics" that work for newspapers (printed or online) as they all seem to be some strange weirdos that can't relate to society.

Plus, this is Johnny Depp. Just watching the trailer (for any of this movies) annoys me.

If you like him, that is great. He is just an "odd duck" in my book and he plays "odd ducks" even when trying to play a serious character (in The Tourist).
Edited by nickbuol - 12/9/13 at 6:44am
post #14 of 72
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

This is one movie that was a waste of time, having seen it at a theater on opening day and a major disappointment. Cannot suggest it as purchase for anyone, unless that person truly enjoyed it and there are some who did. And would Ralph Potts buy it, having given it a 99 rating? If so, it is an indication of your preferences and your priorities.

+1.

I found armie hammer to be very weak in this movie. he was so unlikeable that is the one sin in scriptwriting that they writers forgot. I am sure its has a great picture and sound. still doesnt make the movie great. look at the transformers as am example. there is a reason that it failed. a poorly written script. I guess Depp will have to make 5 sequels to alice in wonderland to make up for it.
I would strongly recommend a rental first.
Jacob
post #15 of 72
Ralph great review, seen it a few times already and enjoyed it very much.
post #16 of 72
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Plus, this is Johnny Depp. Just watching the trailer (for any of this movies) annoys me.

If you like him, that is great. Clearly a lot of people liked him enough to pay $89M USD to see this flick. Too bad it cost $215M USD to make. In reverse order Dark Shadows lost $70M USD, The Rum Diary lost $32M USD. Heck, even Pirates On Stranger Tides lost $9M USD. Rango lost money, The Tourist lost money... You have to go back to Alice In Wonderland to see a profit. Maybe he isn't as popular of a draw any more? I'm surprised that Hollywood keeps paying for him to be in generally low-rated, non-profiting movies.

 

 

To be fair, according to IMDB, The Tourist cost 100M and made 280M in worldwide box office. With that kind of return, I see no problem why they employ him. Although the Lone Ranger was more of a disappointment with 260M in sales (worldwide) vs 215M in production costs (I have no clue if IMDB includes marketing costs as well, but I think these numbers do not included DVD/Blu Ray sales, rentals, pay TV and so on), it's still not exactly a loss and future disk sales will add quite a bit to the bottom line. 

post #17 of 72
@unifexx
Sorry, you are correct. I was using the IMDB app on my phone and missed that those numbers were USA sales alone. I am man enough to admit my error, removed it from my post (as to not confuse anyone else) and again apologize for my mistake.
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To be fair, according to IMDB, The Tourist cost 100M and made 280M in worldwide box office. With that kind of return, I see no problem why they employ him. Although the Lone Ranger was more of a disappointment with 260M in sales (worldwide) vs 215M in production costs (I have no clue if IMDB includes marketing costs as well, but I think these numbers do not included DVD/Blu Ray sales, rentals, pay TV and so on), it's still not exactly a loss and future disk sales will add quite a bit to the bottom line. 

+1

Many movies today are made for the After the Movie Theatre viewing is over! (of course great box office may mean better after sales.)
DVD/BD/3D Sales, Streaming Sales, TV, Satellite Channels, plus etc - and these sales go on for literally years! (Adding how many Millions?) Eventually you'll see it at Walmart for $8 to $10 in 3 years. Now to this add on what they come out with re Trilogies, Dual Plays, etc. Would be interesting really, as to how many Movies actually lose money in the long run? (Mystery Science Theatre anyone?)
post #19 of 72
THis is yet another movie that I watched on an Airplane to/from Europe a few months earlier.

I didnt go into this movie expecting much. It got horrible reviews and everyone said not to bother with it. However, I thought I'd give it a shot.

This is one of those movies that I would say is "Stupid Fun".

I say that because the story is a little on the light side but the action is there and it is very different from the action movies that you see in the theaters for the last few years such as The Expendables and movies like it.

I wish there was a bit more story to it but I enjoyed it.

Purchase worth? Only on a extreme discount, I may grab it when it winds up in the dollar bin.
post #20 of 72
Ralph,
Thanks for an excellent review.
I also grew up watching the original Lone Ranger, and more recently have enjoyed Johnny Depp's smart-@$$ roles on the Pirates series.

So we went to the theater with high hopes.
I came out of the theater being a bit disappointed (perhaps they stretched it out too long, or perhaps because Tonto's roll was too subdued). Also remember thinking; with the fantastic western vistas this should look great (and hopefully sound good) on my home system.

So; needless to say I will be buying it, and because it is Disney I suspect there will be no "deals".
post #21 of 72
You bring good points towards the movie. But sadly the movie was a boring as heck!! I mean i fell asleep!! Unlike others i do love johnny depp movies. loved pirates.....maybe i need to re-watch it i don't know but on my 1st seat down, it rocked me to sleep!! That rarely happens to me. I could count with one hand minus 3 fingers how many times this has happened to me.

Anyhow after it was said and done the movie felt like it should have been titled "Tonto Begins". Cuz the main character seemed like the sidekick!!! Weird!!
post #22 of 72
This veers a bit off-topic perhaps, but watching this movie, it struck me with Hollywood's remake-happy tendencies these days, I would actually be interested in seeing Depp head a "7 Faces Of Dr Lao" remake. Certain aspects of The Lone Ranger made me think of that movie for some reason.
post #23 of 72
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I hadn't planned on getting this because of the negative reviews given on it's theatrical release, but seeing that the audio and video are very highly rated, I may have to change my mind. Thanks for the review.

That's the thing; Sir Ralph of Pottingham is a grandmaster at making us buy movies that we already decided not to. smile.gif
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That's the thing; Sir Ralph of Pottingham is a grandmaster at making us buy movies that we already decided not to. smile.gif

Greetings,

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Sorry guys....


Regards,
post #25 of 72
Beside the Audio and Video quality this is quite possibly one of the worst films I have ever seen.
I was able to sit through the entirety of "Sleep Away Camp 2" but not this movie.
I had to turn it off, I couldn't sit through it. Ralph was very generous with the score of 3 out of 5 for the Film.
post #26 of 72
Thank you Ralph.
Even a mediocre film got your 99 for AV score. I think the gun fight or train ride will probably keep me in the seat.
post #27 of 72
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

NEVER let critics decide your viewing pleasure! If not sure Rent it, then if you like it, Buy it! Christmas is coming, get your kids to pay for as a Christmas gift! Now, if you don't like it, then you're not out any monies.Saves me a lot between Father's Day, Birthday and Christmas. (I buy the cheaper ones, and let the family get the expensive ones!)


Are you serious ??? eek.gif
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Are you serious ??? eek.gif

Hey, I'm on Pension! My kids and their spouses probably make 10 X's what I'm pulling in on Pension!
post #29 of 72
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

This veers a bit off-topic perhaps, but watching this movie, it struck me with Hollywood's remake-happy tendencies these days, I would actually be interested in seeing Depp head a "7 Faces Of Dr Lao" remake. Certain aspects of The Lone Ranger made me think of that movie for some reason.


Gotta say, your comments are the largest enticement for me to rent this.
post #30 of 72
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

THis is yet another movie that I watched on an Airplane to/from Europe a few months earlier.

I didnt go into this movie expecting much. It got horrible reviews and everyone said not to bother with it. However, I thought I'd give it a shot.

This is one of those movies that I would say is "Stupid Fun".

I say that because the story is a little on the light side but the action is there and it is very different from the action movies that you see in the theaters for the last few years such as The Expendables and movies like it.

I wish there was a bit more story to it but I enjoyed it.

Purchase worth? Only on a extreme discount, I may grab it when it winds up in the dollar bin.

Ok - I'll bite and rent this via Redbox over the Christmas holidays, perfect for my 3 kids and I to watch some "stupid fun".
At 2 1/2 hours hopefully it will keep them interested enough.
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