Originally Posted by riverwolf
Naper, you'd do well to remember the old adage..."There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth."
MM fails to mention that he has a business painting screens for a living. The smart money says SF and Black Flame are the same "formula", yet MM invokes the rules sticky and threatens to go to the mods anytime someone wants to discuss building a frame for commercial screen material that can be purchased directly from AVS.
Pretty much just a comment to invoke a response. So I'll oblige you. I design Home Audio systems and Theaters, and making Screens are but a part of it all. Yet none of that has any bearing as to why / how I help DIY'ers, and frankly, only those trying to make it into a issue relate to it as being such. It does however give me the ways and means to offer some very specific help and advantage to aspiring DIY'ers, and for that I apologize to no one, let alone those selfish enough to want to deny others of that help. I don't use AVS DIY Screens to promote my off Forum business, nor to sell anything, I offer up Silver Fire as a DIY Mix....it's not advertised or sold to AVS'er, so it really doesn't matter what it exists as outside the Forum. When I post a build I do not elaborate on my business nor suggest "I can do one for you" so why would you or anyone bring it up...? Because you want to try to use it as a springboard for a argument or accusation, or to try to prove a pointless opinion. I am not looking for free advertising at the expense of AVS. The same cannot be said with other Commercial Screen component Mfg who themselves do not advertise on AVS. Besides...you cannot even list a Mfg Screen material supplied by AVS that I have ever commented negatively upon unless it was suggested wrongly on this Forum in lue of a DIY alternative, so your claim is warrant-less.
If something is sold by AVS as a Screen or Screen material, then it belongs on the Mfg Screen Forum....end of story.
As for your DIY choices. I'm an objective, numbers based kind of guy...comes with the engineering territory. The DIY Screen Section here at AVS used to be full of people attempting to quantify the difference between commercial and DIY solutions. Somewhere along the way it became MM's bully pulpit and folks left for friendlier pastures or simply quit paying attention since they were satisfied with their chosen solution. I only check in from time to time in hopes that things have gotten better...
Or to offer up a total biased and myopic viewpoint that does not itself reflect the truth behind how things are or how they came to be.
First off, if someone chooses a DIY solution and is happy with it, why does their lack of further posting constitute a black mark against this Forum? If anything, it's a compliment. In fact we brag about it. To call it something else....Pretty messed up reasoning there, Brent.
You are the one that fails to mention that "Mech" was permanently banned for flagrant abuse and insulting the owners of AVS, and most every other person who left did so because "Friendlier pastures" simply meant they could chew their Cud in any manner they wished without rebuke, as long as it was AVS and myself they were chewing on....and seeing as they manipulated themselves into a position where they could become far more Draconian in their "control" than the Mods or Owners here on this Forum ever were, it is their motives that are suspect every time they post a Test or commentary of anything we advocate on this DIY Screen forum. I was banned from HTS, as others have been as well, simply for questioning the objectiveness of those who are supposed to be in charge, of their being able to dictate what can be discussed...or offered. Science has nothing to do with simply dictating what one feels is the only way to do things, and then penalizing those who disagree with such. (...and who do so without being abusive...)
Simply put, every one of them owe everything they are...or wish they were, to the interest and effort that existed on AVS before they even came aboard on this Forum. They really never made much effort to really help people, just pre judge and dictate what was their own point of view, and if that didn't work, then personal abuse, trolling, posting arguments with the purposeful intent to get threads deleted, and attempt to get other members excommunicated with false and misleading accusations began. Fortunately, it eventually became so obnoxiously obvious that the Forum owners laid down edicts....and just as fortunately the "future" Shack Boys ignored them, choosing to express how they should dictate Forum rules.
So they were sent packing. Of course as a parting shot that continues to this day (...as you yourself show...) I was held to blame by them for it all simply because I stood up to the unjust and incriminatory...and false allegations made against both my motives and actions. I did not let them run me off and leave the Forum to their whims and ways alone.
Bluntly stated, not a single one of them ever did...nor to this day...has ever spent so much time and continual effort toward helping DIY'ers in every aspect of their projects. If I garnered more attention and a wider, more objective following....I earned it by doing something for individuals upon their own request...not just suggesting things and tearing down differentiating opinions and methods. To that effect, this Forum as created more individuals willing to do likewise than any 5 HTS Forums. And the ridiculous difference in both membership and traffic bears that out as being "truth".
With your own length of time on this Forum, and what appears to be some awareness of what has transpired, that you choose to ignore the obvious transgressions that have occurred and instead point a finger in my direction speaks volumes.
I and other remain loyal to the Forum that birthed our interest and allowed us a place where we could learn and share, not be dictated to and abused.
I am grateful that the majority of members who frequent this DIY Forum realize I'm here for them when they need help....so if I at times dominate the Thread listings, it isn't a case of padding posts...I'm working to make projects be realized. And I both encourage and enjoy seeing other members step up into the Dock. For anyone to say "I own this Forum" or that I get preferential treatment shows they know virtually nothing about the real nature of things....or that they are just being insulting and trolling for a response.
The other key reason for declining activity here, IMO, is 10 years ago, a DIY screens made fiscal sense at most any size. With the arrival of Elite, VApex, and a few others, I'd say the cost/benefit ratio just isn't there unless you're going for more than 100" diagonal. Especially after you factor in time. And I'm a die hard DIYer for everything from car maintenance to home improvement.
You are grossly wrong in your "opinion" because there has been no "decline" in activity...just a absence of senseless and argumentative posts. Our Forum, which you seem ready to belittle, has far more activity than elsewhere can hope to muster, and the efforts they have made by listing pointless threads using Silver Fire as a Key word to garner Search hits, and pad those threads with their own postings (...95% of which all come from 3-4 individuals who are all Admins / Mods) pretty much shows how much they crave...and need some traffic. Let's be honest...Mech only got a start on HTS because the Owner Sonny was desperate to get traffic, and Mech promised him that. Yes, he has since evolved to do many other things, but everything must evolve...or die out.
So it always comes down to the same thing....those who have left have done so because they had to own up to following rules or choose otherwise...to support the Forum, or not. Or they fell sway to the rhetoric ladled out on HTS. So don't come onto DIY threads to tear down DIY materials or methods, or those who do what it takes to help make it the place it should always be...a source of help and inspiration. It won't get you much of anything but rebuke and dismissal.
As for you comments about the relative differences in Lumen output between "light Cannons" and lower output PJs, it seems a bit telling you chose to omit the obvious fact that those self same light cannons still remain brighter than the lower lumen PJs ...especially if the lower lumen PJs also get calibrated. As such it cannot be denied that they would need less gain in a screen. But strangely...almost no "painted" DIY Screen application we espouse is sub 1.0 gain. It always has been all about having a effective balance between the PJ / Screen / Room, and any variances to that have to be dealt with accordingly. On a Forum named "The DIY Screen Forum"...it should be obvious we try to do most of the balancing act with DIY screen applications, most all of which must be effectively pared with already existing Projector choices. If there is a chance to suggest a PJ choice, the knowledge exists to do so. What you do not bother to relate is all the reports of WA-DW having the "wrong" type gain....in other words, it can and does hot spot or have distracting sheen characteristics, especially under certain PJ mounting locations. Personally, I have not ever waged war on WA-DW. It resides way down at the bottom of preferred DIY applications of it's own lack of merit. Fragility. Expense. Sheen. Lack of usage flexibility. It gained it's primary support from weak lumen'd CRT Owners, people who were far more likely to have totally light controlled Theaters.
When I or anyone else with the DIY'ers interest in mind offers up a point of view that is centered around trying to get the most quality out of any Screen & PJ combination being considered, it isn't a case of bias or jumping onto a "Pulpit" as those who want to make it into something evil so often state...it's simply stating what experience and knowledge has led us to believe...and "know" would work best...and then from there it's up to the Poster to weigh out the scales and chose for themselves. No one is dragged kicking and screaming into a application they don't want to do. .
If your interested in DIY screen making...post about DIY Screen making. Don't come onto the DIY Screen Forum a suggest buying a Commercial Screen! Lastly, as of the last several months, after receiving a few PMs and making some changes in objective reasoning, I personally have suggested the use of a few various Mfg Screen materials myself for use on hand-build frames...but it was qualified by also stating those materials could be ideally used as a substrate for painting upon. I have authored Threads outlining their use for such. Mfg Acoustic Screen material is NOT in that Company, nor should it be. )...we have Spandex...) Regular Mfg Screen Cloth suggestions that come accompanied by the comment that true DIY "stand alone" materials or Paint are not needed are not in keeping with the DIY Mandate the Forum resides under. While some have resented that limitation, it's really just a simple thing to take their interest and postings to the MFG Screen forum...where all such postings belong.
That's a pretty simple thing, really...but as evidenced still by a few, if it doesn't follow the desires of those few...they can feel compelled to argue the point...and blame those who advocate true DIY Screen making for such restrictions.
Too bad for them...because as for the purpose and intent of the DIY Screen Forum, it's not going to change. They must do so, or go elsewhere and let this Forum continue on helping people realize their expectations without acrimony and discord mucking up the threads. For my part, I don't desire to compose posts like this, but history shows that if such posts as yours are left unanswered, people get misled into believing such stuff. That is the entire reason HTS controls everything that gets posted...and who posts it.
that your innocent bystander status has gotten dumped upon. You asked for some other opinion on WA-DW...not a debate on why you should listen to one voice of reasoning or another. For whatever responsibility and / or blame goes to me, I apologize.Edited by MississippiMan - 12/14/13 at 4:14pm