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Need help, can anyone here record TCM?

post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 
Hi,
As you know, i am in Australia. There is this movie that comes on
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/560630/Massacre-Mafia-Style/
Saturday, December 21 @ 02:00 AM (ET) in USA (THIS WEEK)

Can anyone here record this for me onto DVD-R?

I had a friend in Belgium lined up to do it but he said their program is different to the USA one.

If anyone can help me out i would be very grateful

Thanks
post #2 of 54
Yes, I frequently record from TCM North America. I would be pleased to record this and send a copy to you.

The difficulty might come when you attempt to play it back as the television format is different between North America and Australia.

Send a private message to me. Include your name and mailing address.
post #3 of 54
Thread Starter 
There will not be an issue with format. NTSC will be fine. I heard its ment to be in widescreen. i will PM you later. Thanks
post #4 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

There is this movie that comes on
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/560630/Massacre-Mafia-Style/
Saturday, December 21 @ 02:00 AM (ET) in USA (THIS WEEK)

Just be aware that the showing is actually Sunday, Dec 22nd @ 2AM ET. TCM extends its day program guide into the following day till 6AM.
post #5 of 54
Thread Starter 
I am kinda confused by that.
post #6 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

I am kinda confused by that.

I just checked my local Guide for this movie on TCM (it's called "The Executioner" in my guide). It's scheduled for 1:00am CST Sunday morning 12/22/13. I don't know why that TCM link indicates Saturday morning . . . confused.gif
post #7 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

I am kinda confused by that.

There are four time zones in the lower 48 States, Pacific, Mountain, Central and Eastern.

Massacre Mafia Style will be showing at 11:00 p.m. in the Pacific Time Zone where I live, 12:00 a.m. (midnight) in the Mountain Time Zone, 1:00 a.m. in the Central Time Zone and 2:00 a.m. in the Eastern Time Zone.
post #8 of 54
Thread Starter 
The Executioner is the same film as Massacre Mafia Style. Understanding US time zones is like trying to read chinese for me smile.gif
post #9 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

The Executioner is the same film as Massacre Mafia Style. Understanding US time zones is like trying to read chinese for me smile.gif

Understanding time zone irregularities and Daylight Savings Time implementations and non-implementations across the US is like trying to read Chinese for me. It's a consolation for me that I live hundreds of miles from a time zone boundary (and it has been several years since I've crossed a time zone boundary).
post #10 of 54
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Understanding time zone irregularities and Daylight Savings Time implementations and non-implementations across the US is like trying to read Chinese.....

The thing that is confusing to me is why the TCM website would show something other than the scheduled time for the U.S.? Isn't TCM an American company?
Maybe it's just an error on the TCM site?

post #11 of 54
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


Maybe it's just an error on the TCM site?


It's not an error, its how TCM displays its programming, from 6AM to 5:59AM the next day. I missed a show once by not knowing this.

This is the reminder email I got from TCM (note the *NOTE*):
Quote:
You asked us to remind you that "Massacre Mafia Style (1978)"is playing on TCM on Sat, December 21, 2013 02:00 AM est.

*NOTE*:A TCM programming day begins at 6:00am EST on the calendar day listed and runs to 5:59am EST in the morning on the next day. Hours listed at 12:00am to 5:59am EST in your reminder will be shown on the NEXT calendar day.

If you are receiving this 7 days before the air date, we will notify you again 24hrs before the title plays. Don't forget to watch, and thank you for visiting tcm.com.

Thank you

Your friends at TCM
post #12 of 54
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Originally Posted by tomwil View Post

It's not an error, its how TCM displays its programming.....

Yeah, I guess if I had Ted Turner's money and I said "Wednesday is Tuesday".. Then Wednesday would be Tuesday, Period . . . biggrin.gif
post #13 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

There will not be an issue with format. NTSC will be fine. I heard its ment to be in widescreen. i will PM you later. Thanks

I'm not sure the film will be shown in true widescreen. Lertterboxed, yes, but not widescreen. I don't think TCM has a true widescreen channel. Pretty sure they still broadcast in Standard Def, with a 4x3 aspect ratio.
post #14 of 54
Thread Starter 
I guess we shall see. So you are saying that Everything they broadcast is in 4x3 format still? As if everyone is still using 4X3 TV's? That seems old fashioned. So even if the film is 16 x 9 they are still only going to feed it through as 4x3 letterboxed? Where i am if a film or TV show, especially an old one that was only in 4X3, is still boradcast in 4X3 which is right but if its letterboxed then it will usually then be blown up to 16x9 and make use of the modern 16x9 TV's.

Even if this is only broadcast as a 4x3 letterboxed version its probabnly going to be better than the 4X3 full screen VHS transfers out there.
post #15 of 54
TCM on many USA cable services is a trainwreck of inconsistencies. Depending on the cableco and city, they may or may not offer a "true" 16:9 anamorphic HD channel. Instead, TCM's idea of "HDTV" is the same letterboxed format they use on their standard-def channel with slightly improved PQ. In an interesting twist, this affects their majority 4:3 classic material far worse than more recent widescreen movies: the widescreen is merely letterboxed as usual, while the 4:3 stuff gets windowboxed on all four sides, reducing the frame size by 25%! This makes recording TCM a complete waste of time now, so I'm very glad I collected most of what I want from them prior to their botched migration to "HD."

To be fair, this isn't just a TCM issue: it may have something to do with changes in the cable industry. I've noticed many many more cable channels now do this windowbox matting of all 4:3 programming, which really kills any interest in recording it (being forced to zoom 4:3 material just to get back to where we were two years ago is ridiculous). But this has become the standard now for what remains of analog line outputs from cable decoder boxes.

I'm gonna try and record this movie for you using my HDMI>S-Video converter, which should provide a full 16:9 anamoprhic signal to my DVD recorder if TCM does in fact show the movie that way on its screwy HD channel. The converter taps the decoder box HDMI port, bypassing the matted analog connections. Crossing my fingers for you: sometimes the HDMI is also matted.
post #16 of 54
As a backup plan to CitiBear, I've scheduled one of my TiVo's to record the movie from both the SD and the HD channels of TCM from Cable. The SD version from the TiVo should easily fit on a DVD-R data disc as an mpeg . . .
post #17 of 54
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

TCM on many USA cable services is a trainwreck of inconsistencies. Depending on the cableco and city, they may or may not offer a "true" 16:9 anamorphic HD channel. Instead, TCM's idea of "HDTV" is the same letterboxed format they use on their standard-def channel with slightly improved PQ. In an interesting twist, this affects their majority 4:3 classic material far worse than more recent widescreen movies: the widescreen is merely letterboxed as usual, while the 4:3 stuff gets windowboxed on all four sides, reducing the frame size by 25%! ...

To be fair, this isn't just a TCM issue: it may have something to do with changes in the cable industry. I've noticed many many more cable channels now do this windowbox matting of all 4:3 programming, which really kills any interest in recording it (being forced to zoom 4:3 material just to get back to where we were two years ago is ridiculous). But this has become the standard now for what remains of analog line outputs from cable decoder boxes...

Back in 2009 our area's Comcast Cable service added TCM "HD" and kept TCM SD in their channel line-up. For a couple of years I opted to record from the TCM "HD" feed (on channel 784) due to the improved picture quality. The smaller picture area was the trade-off. During that two years I would occasionally switch back to TCM SD (on channel 501) in order to have a larger picture.

Picture quality on the TCM SD feed has been entirely satisfactory for my taste but there has been an annoying pop-up at the scheduled starting time of movies and short subjects. The pop-up is a reminder that one might watch TCM "HD" on channel 784.

For the last year or so I've put the HD converter back on the TCM SD feed, perhaps for good. The pop-up still comes on but it's easy enough to ignore except when a movie runs a little long into the scheduled time slot of the next movie or short subject.

After four years TCM and/or Comcast have yet to resolve the small "postage-stamp" picture when viewing the "HD" feed.
post #18 of 54
Ugh! I forgot about that stupid popup ComCast insists on with every channel change or even show change on the same channel! When we visit friends in PA with ComCast, I'm always dumbfounded that this redundant "Coming up in 10 seconds: the show you consciously chose to watch- isn't that amazing!?!" popup is non-defeatable. Totally ruins anything they try to record.

Re TCM SD vs HD channels: there is no longer any difference here in NYC with Time Warner Cable. Up thru 2012, it was as DigaDo described: we could fall back on the SD channel to get a correct full-screen 4:3 signal. But some time in mid-2012, TCM synchronized their SD and HD feeds to TWC, so both channels now letterbox 16:9 and windowbox 4:3 thru their analog taps (occasionally HDMI as well, although I'm finally seeing more correct framing lately with that).
post #19 of 54
Thread Starter 
So how did things go with this guys?

With our SD channels, the content is still broadcast as 16x9 but just as 576i instead of 720p or 1080i. We have no 1080p in free to air broadcasts. With paid services like Foxtel i think they have 1080p. Even the HD content we do get, its not at full bit rate because of the bandwidth and the amount of crappy channels. Instead of giving us better quality HD they waste bandwith on multiple crappy shopping channels. There is one channel we got which is so low in quality it looks like like low grade VHS and has pixelation, like watching a video clip online from 1997!!!. We are so far behind the times.

I do not see much 4X3 content unless its an old movie or TV show.
post #20 of 54
^^^
My recording from TCM-SD has black bars top, bottom, and sides. My TV allows me to zoom it to fill the screen. My recording from TCM-HD has very narrow black bars top and bottom. I'm not really seeing much difference in the video quality between the recordings. The SD recording file size is 1.69GB, 2.69Mbps rate. The HD recording file size is 7.53GB, 11.99Mbps rate.
post #21 of 54
Thread Starter 
So it sounds like the SD is in 4x3 and HD in 16x9?
I wonder if you can put theHD on a dual layer disc?
Then i can use my PC to shrink it down to fit a 4.7GB disc.
post #22 of 54
I have only limited experience burning video to a DVD. My notebook (Toshiba Tecra R950) has a "DVD Supermulti drive +/- double layer" drive, but I've never used it for anything except putting data files on a standard 4.7GB DVD-R. I'll have to investigate a bit and round up a dual-layer DVD (8.5GB) blank and see if I can copy the file to it (after I transfer the file from the TiVo to my notebook) . . .
post #23 of 54

According to IMDb Here the The Executioner should be 2.35:1 (very wide screen, like CinemaScope) so in proper aspect ratio on a 16:9 screen it should have large bars top and bottom, very noticeable.

WS65711, how are you recording your material? is it from the SD output of a STB? If so most will letterbox HD although since your talking about a 7.5GB file maybe you have something like a Tivo? in which case how will you get the program down to a SD DVD?

 

post #24 of 54
My file is TCM-HD on Cable to TiVo, then I'll transfer (occurring now) to computer via KMTTG then converted to mpeg. If I can copy to 8.5GB DVD then Cyclone can manipulate it as he pleases... or just watch the mpeg on a computer.
post #25 of 54
Also... the TCM-HD video was definitely not 2.35:1.....
post #26 of 54

Oops, I see you added your information while I was composing my post. Yes your 7.5GB file should fit nicely on a DL blank, if you were near me I'd give you one of mine, in a spindle(the way I purchase mine) quality Verbatim AZO +R DLs are only ~$1 but in smaller qualities they can be double or more. If the file is standard MPEG2 shouldn't your DVD play in any standard DVD player?(or at least one that plays +R DL burnt discs).

Actually it sounds like Cyclone uses a PC and even if it didn't play on a standard player he could manipulate the format and reburn it.

post #27 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

So how did things go with this guys?

I did get the movie for you from the TCM-HD channel, which did transmit it in true anamorphic widescreen. Since I knew ahead of time that the movie ran 90mins, I was able to preset my Pioneer recorder to maximize bitrate to fit a 90 min movie on a standard single-layer 4.4GB dvd in best possible quality. (Because DVD/HDD recorders are standard def, the dvd I made is standard def and formatted as a standard DVD which will play on any hardware.)

I recorded the signal from TCM-HD via the HDMI output of the cable box passed thru an HDMI>S-video converter, to the S-Video input of my Pioneer DVR. It looks very good on my 32" Sony Bravia LCD. TCM-HD showed the movie (in New York, anyway) as 16:9 anamorphic with a small black border on the bottom of the screen, on my 32" LCD I'd say the bottom black border is about an inch thick. So the image fills the screen but the active area is more like 2:1 than 16:9. The dvd will automatically display as 2:1 on a flatscreen LCD or plasma, or letterbox itself if connected to an older 4:3 CRT television.

If you'd like me to mail you the DVD, PM me with your address in Aus.
post #28 of 54
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys
I only have a small 23 or 24" TV so i am sure it will lo look ok on that if it does on a 32". What. HDMI to S converter are you using these days?

My idea with what WS65711 had was that if he was unable to convert the larger file to a 4.7 disc then i could do it. I have o problems playing dual layer discs, its just that i thought there was a known thing that dual layer DVD-R discs don't tend to last long so i was just thinking of compressing to fit a 4.7 disc would just be good for safe keeping.
post #29 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

What HDMI to S converter are you using these days?

The same generic that jjeff and a few others all purchased a couple years ago. On the rare occasions I see a brand name on it, its called "Sabrent," as currently sold here on Amazon.

Some slightly disappointing news: when I went to burn the DVD just now, I noticed the stupid cable service pulled the aggravating stunt they've been doing more and more lately: between 2AM and 3AM they interrupt all channels with a "Press Any Remote Key To Continue Watching This Channel" banner. This blocks 80% of the screen for about 20 seconds, then the screen goes black for about 30 seconds, then the movie comes back and continues normally until it ends. The interruption runs from 0:33:18 to 0:34:22, but is at least neatly contained within one scene: a discussion between two guys at a cafe. I can delete this bit of dead space before burning the DVD, it will play neater with just a slight jump in continuity because that scene is missing.
Edited by CitiBear - 12/22/13 at 11:49pm
post #30 of 54
I currently have the file as an mpeg on a USB flash drive to transfer to my notebook. My file includes the closing minute of the previous movie, an introduction to your movie, and a few minutes of something else at the end. But the movie itself is uninterrupted. I can get a DL DVD to copy the file to, or you can use Citi's DVD... it's up to you.
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