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. . . I purchase quality Verbatim AZO +R DLs ..... If the file is standard MPEG2 shouldn't your DVD play in any standard DVD player?(or at least one that plays +R DL burnt discs). Actually it sounds like Cyclone uses a PC and even if it didn't play on a standard player he could manipulate the format and reburn it.

I picked up a spindle of 50 Memorex DVD+RDL (that was all they had at Office Depot). We often put data on DVD's at my office, and many times 4.7GB is not enough, so we'll use them all eventually. Anyway I copied the mpeg file to the DVD-DL and it plays back from my notebook (that I made the disc on) with no problems. I'll try another computer tonight, and just for kicks I'll see if it plays in my 10-year-old DVD player (I doubt it).

Then if Cyclone PM's me an address I can mail it to him. Anybody know how many of what kind of stamps to mail something to Australia??? smile.gifeek.gifsmile.gif
post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

Thanks guys
I only have a small 23 or 24" TV...

I recorded Massacre Mafia Style on two recorders from the TCM standard definition feed. To my taste "Massacre ..." is what I would call a "bomb" so I thought I would also provide you with another 1975 movie, The Stepford Wives. I hope you will find it interesting.

From a Panasonic DMR-ES15 I recorded this combination of titles, both at the SP recording mode:

MGM Parade Show #15 (1955) and Massacre Mafia Style (1975).

These tiles should have very good picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

*****

From a Panasonic DMR-ES25 I recorded this combination of titles, all at the LP recording mode:

The Stepford Wives (1975), The Foy Family-Chips Off The Old Block (1928) and Massacre Mafia Style (1975).

These should have very good picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

*****

For a little flavour of OZ, from a Panasonic DMR-EA18, I recorded Bush Christmas (1947); for a little Peter Sellers' humour, I recorded The Mouse That Roared (1959) and I filled out that DVD with Christmas Eve (1947). All these titles were recorded at the EP recording mode that will provide fair picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

I'll be posting copies of these DVDs to you later today.

Have a Merry Christmas!
Edited by DigaDo - 12/23/13 at 11:10am
post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

.... To my taste "Massacre ..." is what I would call a "bomb" . . .

+1 biggrin.gif
post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Anybody know how many of what kind of stamps to mail something to Australia??? smile.gifeek.gifsmile.gif

You need to be aware of customs forms and postage issues. Until recently, one could get away with mailing such an envelope as a simple letter, with a few ordinary stamps on it. Not any more: last time I mailed a single DVD in an envelope with a greeting card to Aus it ran me approx $5. They asked me to fill out that annoying little customs form and attach it to the envelope, which then ships as a first class parcel instead of a letter. If you want to be sure your DVD gets to Cyclone82, bring it to the Post Office (after Christmas) to have the clerk weigh it and directly apply postage. Fill out the little one-page customs form while you wait on line.

Mailing items outside North America gets increasingly difficult every year as USPS changes its rules constantly for security purposes (or merely to be a PITA). If you're sending anything other than a two-page handwritten letter to an address outside USA, do not assume you can just slap a few stamps on it and drop it in the corner mailbox. Take it to the Post Office clerk: you would not believe the arcane rules of what does and does not require a customs clearance and clerk-applied postage.
Edited by CitiBear - 12/23/13 at 11:46am
post #35 of 54

^^^ Citibear, I think even mailing within the US "IF" you tell them you are mailing a DVD(or CD) and mail it in a square envelope they will want to charge you something like $1.50 and say something about a "non-standard" size :rolleyes: OTH if you just stick it in a regular card envelope(of course has to be tall enough) and put a regular stamp on it, I've never had a issue of it getting to my destination. Of course international(and all the way to the opposite side of the world at that) may be different, but personally I'd just stick it inside a greeting card(for some protection) inside an envelope and mail it as a regular letter. Of course mailing internationally will cost more than a first class stamp and the weight of a envelope/card and DVD may be more than the standard 1oz(or is it 1/2oz for international....) but at least you wouldn't have to hassle with the "odd size" or duty fee on something as inconsequential as a home burnt DVD.

post #36 of 54
^^^
Yeah.. It sounds like DigaDo has it under control anyways.

I had offered to put the smaller SD file on my webspace temporarily so that Cyclone could just download it, but he indicated he couldn't handle downloading a 1.7GB file . . .
post #37 of 54
jjeff, within USA, I mail dvds as you suggest: in an ordinary greeting card envelope between two thin pieces of cardboard. Two ordinary stamps for postage. No problemo: even you and I have exchanged discs that way!

But going outside USA: its a crapshoot. You could in theory just put approx $2 worth of stamps on the same envelope, and drop it in the mailbox as an international letter. But I've had a few of these returned to me as "improper parcels" a few weeks later, which is why I now go to the P.O. clerk and let them sort it out. While technically the DVD fits in a flat envelope and the weight is OK, international-targeted postal machinery senses the thickness of the plastic and its unbending nature, and rejects it as a "parcel." All such "parcels" now require a stupid customs form, and need to be sent as "parcels" with accordingly higher postage rate (the last three I sent to UK, Australia and Malaysia were all @ $5 - $9).

The USPS customs form for small low-value packages or envelopes like this is really nothing more than a Post-It coupon declaring the value as zero and the contents as non-hazardous. A piece of it sticks to the envelope, just like a Certified Mail sticker, while most of it tears off as your mailing receipt after the clerk date stamps it. There is no duty or fee involved for either the sender or recipient.

Honestly I think its simply a scam cooked up by USPS to gouge people who used to get away with sending photos and discs overseas as convenient first-class letters. By re-jigging their machinery to detect "non--letter" contents, they force you to pay the parcel rate which is roughly 200% more than the letter rate. If you are sending photos or discs that would be hard to replace, or you can't afford delay in case they get flipped back to you, bring the envelope to a postal clerk to be on the safe side.

*************

P.S. to WS65711: I really dig your signature line.smile.gif

By any chance, is it derived from this old "Kids In The Hall" tag?

For awhile, they ran a different "Its A Fact" bit each week.
Edited by CitiBear - 12/23/13 at 1:59pm
post #38 of 54
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

I recorded Massacre Mafia Style on two recorders from the TCM standard definition feed. To my taste "Massacre ..." is what I would call a "bomb" so I thought I would also provide you with another 1975 movie, The Stepford Wives. I hope you will find it interesting.

From a Panasonic DMR-ES15 I recorded this combination of titles, both at the SP recording mode:

MGM Parade Show #15 (1955) and Massacre Mafia Style (1975).

These tiles should have very good picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

*****

From a Panasonic DMR-ES25 I recorded this combination of titles, all at the LP recording mode:

The Stepford Wives (1975), The Foy Family-Chips Off The Old Block (1928) and Massacre Mafia Style (1975).

These should have very good picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

*****

For a little flavour of OZ, from a Panasonic DMR-EA18, I recorded Bush Christmas (1947); for a little Peter Sellers' humour, I recorded The Mouse That Roared (1959) and I filled out that DVD with Christmas Eve (1947). All these titles were recorded at the EP recording mode that will provide fair picture quality when viewed on your 23"/24" TV.

I'll be posting copies of these DVDs to you later today.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Ok thanks. If you have not already done so, i would prefer massacre mafia style was on separate disc.
Yeah i never said it was a great movie but i just need it for my collection


To post to Australia you would need to go to post office and fill out one of those customs declaration forums that just state whats inside (dvd/cd) and value of disc and signature stating nothing dangerous inside. oh a theres a box to tick if its a gift or merchandise etc.

As an example i had a DVD in regular case inside a yellow padded envelope arrive today and it cost $9.95 from USA. If a disc was sent in a sleeve between some cardboard it might be cheaper.
Edited by Cyclone82 - 12/23/13 at 6:29pm
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The same generic that jjeff and a few others all purchased a couple years ago. On the rare occasions I see a brand name on it, its called "Sabrent," as currently sold here on Amazon.

Some slightly disappointing news: when I went to burn the DVD just now, I noticed the stupid cable service pulled the aggravating stunt they've been doing more and more lately: between 2AM and 3AM they interrupt all channels with a "Press Any Remote Key To Continue Watching This Channel" banner. This blocks 80% of the screen for about 20 seconds, then the screen goes black for about 30 seconds, then the movie comes back and continues normally until it ends. The interruption runs from 0:33:18 to 0:34:22, but is at least neatly contained within one scene: a discussion between two guys at a cafe. I can delete this bit of dead space before burning the DVD, it will play neater with just a slight jump in continuity because that scene is missing.

So are you saying part of the movie is missing?
Did all 3 of you have this problem?
I would prefer nothing cut out though. Uncut movies are my top priority.
post #40 of 54
First of all Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my Christian friends smile.gif on this board. Happy Hanukah if you happen to be Jewish.smile.gif Happy Holidays to rest of you.tongue.gif

Regarding the mailing of DVDs – Here in Canada I have the exact same experience as CitiBear. Any DVD going out of Canada, even to the USA has to have the declaration form filled out. As CitiBear stated you can fill out the value as zero and the contents as non-hazardous but if that declaration form is not there there’s a really good chance that the DVD will not arrive. Note I usually put the value on a homemade DVD as $1 and as a gift, not a purchase. Just so customs won’t get suspicious. There should be no duty or taxes to any country for such a low declaration of a gift.

As for TCM on my cable system *SD letterboxed only*, no HD TCM on my cable system. Also, TCM Canada may have a slightly different schedule because of rights issues. So with all the generous folks offering a dub there’s no reason for me with my letterboxed TCM to offer up. There, I’m off the hook.

As for some HD channels windowboxing some 4:3 content, my Motto box has a nifty feature to get rid of that via the SD analog outs. It’s not zooming in and degrading the picture as those black bars aren’t natively there in the first place. My box center-cuts the image and still displays 720x480 resolution. It’s something to do with the broadcaster and or cable co not using AFD (Active Format Description)

Links for AFD most are PDF format

AFD from ABC TV link 1

AFD from ABC TV link 2

AFD from PBS in PDF format

AFD from wiki

AFD from gearhead technologies

AFD from ATSC.org see page 25
post #41 of 54
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Ok thanks. If you have not already done so, i would prefer massacre mafia style was on separate disc.
Yeah i never said it was a great movie but i just need it for my collection...

The DVDs were posted about four hours ago.

I schedule programmed and recorded the DVDs direct-to-disc for efficient archival purposes. I had no HDD/DVD Recorders available to record MMS. Generally, I don't use HDD/DVD Recorders for real-time re-encoding of archived material. (The MMS recorded at SP is paired with the 26 minute long MGM Parade Show #15.)
post #42 of 54
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

The same generic that jjeff and a few others all purchased a couple years ago. On the rare occasions I see a brand name on it, its called "Sabrent," as currently sold here on Amazon.

Some slightly disappointing news: when I went to burn the DVD just now, I noticed the stupid cable service pulled the aggravating stunt they've been doing more and more lately: between 2AM and 3AM they interrupt all channels with a "Press Any Remote Key To Continue Watching This Channel" banner. This blocks 80% of the screen for about 20 seconds, then the screen goes black for about 30 seconds, then the movie comes back and continues normally until it ends. The interruption runs from 0:33:18 to 0:34:22, but is at least neatly contained within one scene: a discussion between two guys at a cafe. I can delete this bit of dead space before burning the DVD, it will play neater with just a slight jump in continuity because that scene is missing.

So are you saying part of the movie is missing?
Did all 3 of you have this problem?
I would prefer nothing cut out though. Uncut movies are my top priority.

The DVDs I recorded include every dreadful second of MMS, including the jittery end credits, just as shown by TCM "uncut and commercial free."
post #43 of 54
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

So are you saying part of the movie is missing?
Did all 3 of you have this problem?
I would prefer nothing cut out though. Uncut movies are my top priority.

Yes, one minor scene had to be deleted because the cable company ruined it. If you are already familiar with the movie, it is the scene approx half an hour in, right after a big bloodbath of multiple hits. Two men are discussing what had just happened at a cafe, one is a heavyset guy in an orange sweater and the other is older with eyeglasses. The scene runs just over a minute, and 56 seconds of it got ruined by my cable company, so I had to delete it. The folowing scene is a pool party where once agaiin everyone is making nefarious plans (from the looks of it, the "plot" of this movie consists of a bloody mass murder followed by characters rehashing the mass murder, repeat this three times, roll end credits).

Several American cable services now rely a bit too heavily on a technical strategy called switched digital video (SDV), which lets them squeeze ever more channels into the same bandwidth. The problem with this system is it randomly ruins unattended recordings. It works by requiring the viewer to actively press a button on their decoder box remote at least once every half hour after changing to a new channel. If the box does not sense "active interest" from you, it flashes a garish onscreen warning that it will shut down within 30 seconds. This warning text obliterates half the screen area, and if you don't respond to it (because you're asleep or away from home) the box will turn off, killing the video output to its own internal DVR and any connected external recorder (the logic behind them wrecking the utility of their own PVR escapes me, but they do this).

Some of us have a secondary decoder box setting that lets us override the total shutdown, so that the box will reactivate itself 30 seconds after turning off. This lets us get 99% of a movie that might otherwise be lost, but there is no way to override the periodic momentary shutdown interval: we lose approx 1 minute from any movie or show that the cable box randomly decides we aren't fascinated enough to monitor every second of with our finger on the remote. This is extremely annoying, because it inevitably strikes when TCM or some other specialty channel is running a rare movie or event. Really, really infuriating: you wouldn't mind if the cable service was free, or very cheap, but we pay upwards of $100 per month for this nonsense.

I understand you're disappointed the movie isn't completely intact, but this is an issue we face here in USA thats beyond our control, so if you are sourcing things from friends here it is bound to come up. I already burned the disc so I'm gonna mail it to you anyway. Its missing one 55 second scene, yes, but I'm also the only one here who recorded it for you in 16:9 with nothing else on the DVD. At least it gives you an alternate copy of the film in 16:9 which might come in handy should you ever get a TV larger than 24."
Edited by CitiBear - 12/23/13 at 8:41pm
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First of all Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my Christian friends smile.gif on this board. Happy Hanukah if you happen to be Jewish.smile.gif Happy Holidays to rest of you.tongue.gif

I would revise that to say:

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my Christian friends smile.gif on this board. Happy Hanukah if you happen to be Jewish.smile.gif For the rest of you, it's just a regular work day . . . tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

The DVDs I recorded include every dreadful second of MMS, including the jittery end credits, just as shown by TCM "uncut and commercial free."

Yeah.. I didn't watch the whole enchilada, but I did notice those jittery credits. rolleyes.gif
I thought maybe the video transfer was made during a theater showing, and the guy holding the camera was trying to hold back a sneeze . . . eek.gif

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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

Yes, one minor scene had to be deleted because the cable company ruined it......
... I'm also the only one here who recorded it for you in 16:9 with nothing else on the DVD. At least it gives you an alternate copy of the film in 16:9 which might come in handy should you ever get a TV larger than 24."

I believe that my copy is the whole dreadfully uninterrupted movie. As noted, I have not sat through the entire thing, but in viewing a lot of bits and pieces over the past few days I have not noticed any interuptions.
I believe my copy is 16:9... the way it displays on my 46" LCD looks much like the image in this post, except that in MMS the sidebars on my screen are almost non-existent.

This is what MMS looks like played back with Media Player on my notebook...


Edited by WS65711 - 12/24/13 at 5:28am
post #45 of 54
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P.S. to WS65711: I really dig your signature line.smile.gif

By any chance, is it derived from this old "Kids In The Hall" tag?

For awhile, they ran a different "Its A Fact" bit each week.

Nope. Never got into that show. Monty Python's Flying Circus, yes... I have the DVD set of the entire series. Same for Fawlty Towers (my favorite). And also the Benny Hill DVD set . . . biggrin.gif

My current sig was prompted by those who insist there's no visible difference between the OTA image and that of Cable or Satellite. While I can agree that static images look the same, when there's motion involved the Cable or Satellite images deteriorate much much faster than OTA. Those extra bits in the OTA broadcast really are useful . . . smile.gif
post #46 of 54
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I believe my copy is 16:9... This is what MMS looks like played back with Media Player on my notebook...

Thats more-or-less what my 16:9 dvd recording looks like, so I guess both of us snagged it for Cyclone82 in some format approximating 16:9.

Unfortunately TCM is wildly inconsistent in its signal specs from city to city and cable system to cable system in USA, so we never know what exactly we'll get when trying to record it (those with a TiVO seem to have the best luck). The viewer frustration thread you linked to is one among many others on various A/V and film fan websites.
post #47 of 54
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Monty Python's Flying Circus, yes... I have the DVD set of the entire series. Same for Fawlty Towers (my favorite). And also the Benny Hill DVD set . . . biggrin.gif

Ah, memories! Over 30 years ago (yikes!), my cash-poor young self rented a VCR on a monthly plan (you could do that in 1981), mainly to record the Monty Python reruns on PBS. And of course Fawlty Towers / Watery Fowls / Fatty Owls...

I still have those tapes (the blanks cost me $6 each back then!), but I was very glad to receive the commercial DVD sets as Christmas gifts over the past few years. I wasn't looking forward to digitizing and cleaning so many ancient tapes, full of multipath and reception problems. Amazing what we used to tolerate for our archives, just for the sheer novelty of collecting our favorites...
post #48 of 54
This is the first couple of minutes of the HD recording from my TiVo. Note that this clip is about 320MB. The actual movie starts at 02:26 in . . .
Edited by WS65711 - 12/24/13 at 8:08am
post #49 of 54
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Ok thanks very much guys. Will let you know when the discs arrive.
post #50 of 54
I don't really what is so compelling about this movie.... but I got a PM from someone requesting a copy. eek.gif
So the dual-layer disc I made goes out in the mail to California today . . .
post #51 of 54
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I don't really what is so compelling about this movie.... but I got a PM from someone requesting a copy. eek.gif
So the dual-layer disc I made goes out in the mail to California today . . .
I would think people are curious to see for themselves if it is really as dreadful as it looks.
post #52 of 54
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Hi
I am just letting you know that i got the DVD from Digado. It was 4X3 letterbox. Nothing arrived from Citibear though
Thanks
post #53 of 54
I've Cut n' Pasted below the comments I received by PM from the guy in California that I had sent the dual-layer mpeg MMS (recorded from TCM-HD).
He's never posted in the forum, not sure why . . .


Hi, Dave! I finally found the time to put MASSACRE MAFIA STYLE on, and not only did it play, it played beautifully. What a great looking copy that is. It's the dream print, at least until Grindhouse Releasing finally gets a Blu-Ray out there (which will probably never happen).

Thanks again for sending it to me!

I don't know why the copy that Digado sent to Cyclone should look any different. I had originally recorded from both the HD and the SD channels of TCM, and when I looked at them on the DVR I really couldn't see any difference. eek.gif
But the mpeg file for the HD version was considerably larger...
post #54 of 54
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Nothing arrived from Citibear though

I was late getting mine to the Post Office, but it was finally mailed last week so you should be receiving it shortly. Oddly enough, after I posted here about the necessity of customs forms even on small envelopes to Australia, my local post office waved it away this time and said the stamps alone were sufficient. Maybe because I took pains to mask the presence of a DVD inside the envelope. Anyway it went via standard First-Class Letter Post.

(I also sent one to an American AVSer who requested it via PM. He just received his, and told me he was very happy with it. The version I burned is 16:9 anamorphic standard def on a DVD-5.)
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