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smile.gif That's pretty much what append to all of the Sony owners.

After 2 weeks, the "honey moon" is over and I no longer "test" the projector but just watch regular content. My initial impression still stand, this is a great machine. Nothing more to add, no "bugs" found yet. Just the pleasure to watch a movie with a great projector.

I have read many reviews here and on avforums and other places. There is no denying that its a great machine. If you remember, you said the same (or may be better) about vw95es
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Every projectors I bought in the last 2 years never pass 2 days of "blind" satisfactions. At first they were good but after a series of test I found something I really dont like... And begin to look elsewhere.

I received my Sony 95 on Thursday, so 4 days later and I am still amaze

The real dilemma is for those who already own 95es and wondering if moving to 600es would be worth it. In other words, if one would see a good difference in b/w the two. I don't know exactly but I think one can buy 95es b-stock around (3k-4k) and 600es is a lot more.

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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

smile.gif That's pretty much what append to all of the Sony owners.

After 2 weeks, the "honey moon" is over and I no longer "test" the projector but just watch regular content. My initial impression still stand, this is a great machine. Nothing more to add, no "bugs" found yet. Just the pleasure to watch a movie with a great projector.

that's my goal once the dust settles from these new models, get the 1000 upgraded to the 1100 and spend some time in late January finally watching movies instead of staring at calibration screens and 2 minute clips of Oblivion.. biggrin.gif


SherazNJ - do you need the additional 2D light output of the 600? this is one of it's primary strengths.
post #33 of 386
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SherazNJ - do you need the additional 2D light output of the 600? this is one of it's primary strengths.

Well you know what they say about more light. The more the better :-). I have never owned any other projector other than vw95es. I have 2.35 145" screen with projector mounted 16 feet from screen. I don't know for sure if I need more light since I have nothing to compare with. Watching movies on my screen for 2D, I don't feel the need but can't same the same for 3D.

If more light is primary strength of this projector then wouldn't it be better to buy 2.4 HP screen for those who can mount their projector to center of screen height? Its much cheaper this way. My setup doesn't allow it anyway. Plus my screen is Acoustically Transparent and I recently built it with Seymour material. I love the sound quality now and don't think can walk away from AT screen. Also my room is completely dark. I even have around 10 feet of black velvet surrounding the screen. I changed my screen from 16:9 StudioTek 130 G3 to Seymour AT + 2.35 ratio from 16:9 + 10 feet black velvet coverage and the difference is amazing. It was worth every single penny and more.
post #34 of 386
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

smile.gif That's pretty much what append to all of the Sony owners.

After 2 weeks, the "honey moon" is over and I no longer "test" the projector but just watch regular content. My initial impression still stand, this is a great machine. Nothing more to add, no "bugs" found yet. Just the pleasure to watch a movie with a great projector.

I have read many reviews here and on avforums and other places. There is no denying that its a great machine. If you remember, you said the same (or may be better) about vw95es
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Every projectors I bought in the last 2 years never pass 2 days of "blind" satisfactions. At first they were good but after a series of test I found something I really dont like... And begin to look elsewhere.

I received my Sony 95 on Thursday, so 4 days later and I am still amaze

The real dilemma is for those who already own 95es and wondering if moving to 600es would be worth it. In other words, if one would see a good difference in b/w the two. I don't know exactly but I think one can buy 95es b-stock around (3k-4k) and 600es is a lot more.

My last projector was a JVC RS4810 and before that the Sony VW95.

I really like the VW95, it was a great machine too at that time. (and still good)

I change from the 95 to the JVC 4810 just for the curiosity of the eshift 4K and the better black.

After a while with the 4810 I realize I did not like the JVC that much, the eshift 4k was good on great source like Oblivion but with older blu ray or DVD, it introduce too much noise in the picture. Also, the motion and the 3D was a step down from the Sony. So in part was missing my VW95. That's where the idea of a VW500 came in. All the best from the VW95 but with real 4K.

In the end, the VW500 was a very good upgrade from the VW95. It's a lot brighter, the reality creation work really great (better than the HW50/55) and the 4K upscal is clean with no noise and not too many artifacts. The brightness combine with the very good contrast, combine with the 4K give the picture a sens of precision and depth that I never saw on any projector beside the Sony VW1000.
post #35 of 386
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VW500 was a very good upgrade from the VW95.
Now we are talking :-).

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It's a lot brighter, the reality creation work really great (better than the HW50/55) and the 4K upscal is clean with no noise and not too many artifacts.
You end up seeing no noise at all? When I hook up Darbee with 95ES and turn it up to 70, it starts producing a lot of noise. I'm a huge fan of crystal clear picture. I'd rather see a picture that looks smooth (no noise) as compared to more noise with detail.

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The brightness combine with the very good contrast, combine with the 4K give the picture a sens of precision and depth that I never saw on any projector beside the Sony VW1000.
All these points are great. Unfortunately 4K is not available yet in abundance and therefore we'd have to depend on the upscale feature.
What about 3D? Is 3D better than 95ES? I think VW1000 has best 3D and VW500/VW600 3D cannot be compared (based on what I read around in forums.).
post #36 of 386
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VW500 was a very good upgrade from the VW95.
Now we are talking :-).

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It's a lot brighter, the reality creation work really great (better than the HW50/55) and the 4K upscal is clean with no noise and not too many artifacts.
You end up seeing no noise at all? When I hook up Darbee with 95ES and turn it up to 70, it starts producing a lot of noise. I'm a huge fan of crystal clear picture. I'd rather see a picture that looks smooth (no noise) as compared to more noise with detail.

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The brightness combine with the very good contrast, combine with the 4K give the picture a sens of precision and depth that I never saw on any projector beside the Sony VW1000.
All these points are great. Unfortunately 4K is not available yet in abundance and therefore we'd have to depend on the upscale feature.
What about 3D? Is 3D better than 95ES? I think VW1000 has best 3D and VW500/VW600 3D cannot be compared (based on what I read around in forums.).

There always some noise here and there but the image look very clean. At least as good as the VW95.

As for the Darbee, 70 is way too much, try between 20 and 40 as a starting point.

For the 3D, the VW500 is better in 3D than the Sony VW95. Brighter, way more sharprer (thanks to the RC) and less ghosting. The image in 3D is very easy on the eye. I think it is related to the high resolution or the RC, I dont know but the final result is very good.
post #37 of 386
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

There always some noise here and there but the image look very clean. At least as good as the VW95.

As for the Darbee, 70 is way too much, try between 20 and 40 as a starting point.

For the 3D, the VW500 is better in 3D than the Sony VW95. Brighter, way more sharprer (thanks to the RC) and less ghosting. The image in 3D is very easy on the eye. I think it is related to the high resolution or the RC, I dont know but the final result is very good.

Thanks for all your feedback Rick. I"ll try Darbee with the settings you mentioned.
post #38 of 386
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SherazNJ - do you need the additional 2D light output of the 600? this is one of it's primary strengths.

Well you know what they say about more light. The more the better :-). I have never owned any other projector other than vw95es. I have 2.35 145" screen with projector mounted 16 feet from screen. I don't know for sure if I need more light since I have nothing to compare with. Watching movies on my screen for 2D, I don't feel the need but can't same the same for 3D.

If more light is primary strength of this projector then wouldn't it be better to buy 2.4 HP screen for those who can mount their projector to center of screen height? Its much cheaper this way. My setup doesn't allow it anyway. Plus my screen is Acoustically Transparent and I recently built it with Seymour material. I love the sound quality now and don't think can walk away from AT screen. Also my room is completely dark. I even have around 10 feet of black velvet surrounding the screen. I changed my screen from 16:9 StudioTek 130 G3 to Seymour AT + 2.35 ratio from 16:9 + 10 feet black velvet coverage and the difference is amazing. It was worth every single penny and more.

Which Seymour AT? I've been looking at the Center Stage XD with no backing.
post #39 of 386
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Which Seymour AT? I've been looking at the Center Stage XD with no backing.
yep that's the one I bought. Make sure you get them to cut it for you. They cut it at a specific angle to reduce Moire.
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When comparing Sony 600 ES and JVC RS49 or even 57 let's not forget that the price difference is three time and two time more expensive for the Sony so I sure would expect that it is better!

post #41 of 386
I was reading JoeRod reviw on 1000ES (not VW500/600) and there he compares it with 95ES. I can't past his words since I don't know if its legal but here is the link. Please scroll to the point where you see Joker image and read the paragraph right above it.
http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/SONY-VPL-VW1000ES-4K-3D-PROJECTOR-REVIEW.html

In summary, when he starts comparing, he said he can't. In other words there is no comparison and 1000ES is not a couple of steps above but an entire flight of stairs.

Now when a comparison is made this way b/w two projector, you know that 1000ES is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and if one can afford, will be very happy and see a BIG difference. Based on the reviews I read for 500es/600es, they are pretty close to 1000ES but not excatly there (well its half the price). Specially in 3D 1000ES is much better (according to reviews). But if there is a little difference in b/w 500es/600es and 1000es then that also means that there is a big difference in b/w 95es and 500es/600es but I have not read anywhere about their difference as it described for 95es vs 1000es.

NOTE: The reason I'm using 95es as a comparison constantly is because its Sony best projector before they came with 4K projector and has received best reviews.
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I think Joerod exhibited abnormal restraint for him in attempting to express how much better he felt the 1000ES was compared to the 95ES without using excessive hyperboles. It is really totally unlike him to hold back like that. I know he feels the 1000ES is much better than restraint and decorum allowed him to express. As close to two years of ownership has past, I do believe he has been able to slow down his heart and breadth rate from his initial excitement and based on observation of other product to begrudgingly admit that Sony didn't exactly nail the scaling with and without RC.
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What forum members have this projector and/or thinking of buying one?

I will get mine Thursday, but will wait about 6 hours from the time I pick it up to turn it on. Very cold here in Wisconsin.
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What forum members have this projector and/or thinking of buying one?

I will get mine Thursday, but will wait about 6 hours from the time I pick it up to turn it on. Very cold here in Wisconsin.

Taking delivery Friday in Naples and driving it up to Wausau arriving Monday. Unfortunately I probably won't be able to turn it on for a couple months.... mad.gif
post #45 of 386
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Updating first post with owners, and potential buyers. Post or PM me if you own or are looking to buy and I'll update the first post.
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I'm considering one seriously, I'll just wait Sony to sort out the convergence instability issue (due in January it seems), VW500es often gets this problem here in Europe and Japan. Looks like VW600 are much less affected by any problems... 

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I've had mine for awhile now, I think I might have been the first in North America. So far no problems to report and I've tried a few brands of 3D glasses with only the Panasonic ones not working so far.
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Updating first post with owners, and potential buyers. Post or PM me if you own or are looking to buy and I'll update the first post.

You misspelled my name, or, I didn't know Boeing made an 878. wink.gif
post #49 of 386
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I'm considering one seriously, I'll just wait Sony to sort out the convergence instability issue (due in January it seems), VW500es often gets this problem here in Europe and Japan. Looks like VW600 are much less affected by any problems... 

Hi, where is that information coming from? It seems highly unlikely as it would require a redesign of the current optical block. The same thing happens on the VW1000 where blue takes a while to settle in. It also happens to the 600 as well.
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The problem widely reported in europe in japan is that, even after 30 mins warmup, if you make adjustments to panel alignements to correct the problem, it'll again change after 1 or 2 hour usage and after a power on / off. the real issue is that it becomes unstable even during use... So readjusting panels in the middle of a movie isn't really fun...

 

As for the ETA regarding the fix, it was given by Sony prime support to local resellers... Some resellers stopped ordering stocks until this is fixed. Most (if not all) owners I've seen on french forums has been impacted by this and most got working replacement quickly (and reviewers that did no review a pre production unit mentions this too at some point). Now it's getting longer to get a swap as stocks gets low and Sony is barely coping with that. Then again those who have a good unit are probably just enjoying it instead of being on forums ;) Then as I can read Japanese a bit, I also noticed the same trend over there too.

post #51 of 386
thanks for the info, I didn't realize this was such a detailed topic of conversation on other forums.

The VW600 I have here will have the issue for the first 20-25 minutes, it seems to depend on how cold my room is. But it does stay stable, so this might be a variance from copy to copy.

My 1000 is the same way, blue is off by nearly a full pixel when cold but in 15 minutes it looks great and stays that way. It's a bit of a pain, but I use this projector for movies and don't mind the extra time since I am usually dialing in my sound for a few minutes before I start watching. I have a number of DLP's that I use for 'TV', 1 of them will boot up to full screen brightness in 25 seconds which is great for quick viewing sessions.

if this info is correct, I wonder what they did to fix it?
post #52 of 386
Out of the three 500ES I played with all three were exactly the same. Blue is always off but manages to stabilize after 30 minutes. I have not seen it dance around or shift around during my marathon sessions which consists of having it on all day (about 8-10 hours).

Is Sony really going to fix this? Or is it just lip service?

Right now I'm playing with the 1000ES and it's similar but not as bad as the 500ES. IMO it's not an issue after warm up.
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Out of the three 500ES I played with all three were exactly the same. Blue is always off but manages to stabilize after 30 minutes. I have not seen it dance around or shift around during my marathon sessions which consists of having it on all day (about 8-10 hours).

Is Sony really going to fix this? Or is it just lip service?

Right now I'm playing with the 1000ES and it's similar but not as bad as the 500ES. IMO it's not an issue after warm up.

 

Since replacement units have been working so far I'm pretty sure they fixed it or the guys complaining would have kept complaining about it. They might have change the QC process for panels assembly.. who knows exactly... I think it's more an assembly process flaw than a conception flaw (hell, that might even be just a problem on one specific assembly line not doing stuff correctly). I think they already fixed this production problem but current stocks might still have the problem but new units being made should be fine.

I don't know if 600ES are made in a different plant but they seems pretty much all fine.

 

For those impacted, alignments have to be re done every day at least even if you wait 30 mins - 1 hour warm up and set them perfectly, the next day or even within the same day you need to do that again which is not what it's suppose to do.

 

As for the ETA for the fix and Sony's awareness of the problem, this reviewer (Kraine) have contacted Sony (if you read french or Google translate it):

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/12/20/du-nouveau-sur-le-dysfonctionnement-du-sony-vpl-vw500es/

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Would Seymour acoustically transparent (AT) screen that is supposed to have 1.2 gain (but I think it has .9 gain) be bright enough with vw600 for 2D? Screen size is 145" 2.35 completely dark room and screen is surrounded by 10 feet of black velvet to absorb reflection. I sit 13 feet from screen and projector will be mounted 16 feet from screen.
I do understand that its no where close for a great 3D experience. I do want to stick around with AT screen since I get great sound and also extra 25" wider screen and most likely there isn't any AT screen with higher gain. Even if I was to overlook sound quality part, I cannot reduce the screen size from 145" to 120". I absolutely love the screen size and how it extends side to side in the room.
post #55 of 386
Well, should have the puppy in hand tomorrow so time to read an learn. I am confused by the manual and was hoping those that know could help explain,

Adjusts the detail and noise processing of images. (Super-resolution function)
On: Adjusts the settings of “Reality Creation.”
Database: Select “Normal” or “Mastered in 4K.”
“Mastered in 4K” provides image quality suitable for Blu-ray DiscTM “Mastered in 4K” releasing from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment.



Will the Mastered in 4K. Only work with Sony release studio films? And anybody know of a easily accessible list somewhere?
post #56 of 386
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

Would Seymour acoustically transparent (AT) screen that is supposed to have 1.2 gain (but I think it has .9 gain) be bright enough with vw600 for 2D? Screen size is 145" 2.35 completely dark room and screen is surrounded by 10 feet of black velvet to absorb reflection. I sit 13 feet from screen and projector will be mounted 16 feet from screen.
I do understand that its no where close for a great 3D experience. I do want to stick around with AT screen since I get great sound and also extra 25" wider screen and most likely there isn't any AT screen with higher gain. Even if I was to overlook sound quality part, I cannot reduce the screen size from 145" to 120". I absolutely love the screen size and how it extends side to side in the room.

Looks like you are okay with that setup for 2D.
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post #57 of 386
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Screen size is 145" 2.35 completely dark room and screen is surrounded by 10 feet of black velvet to absorb reflection. I absolutely love the screen size and how it extends side to side in the room.

Very nice how wide is you room?
post #58 of 386
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Would Seymour acoustically transparent (AT) screen that is supposed to have 1.2 gain (but I think it has .9 gain) be bright enough with vw600 for 2D? Screen size is 145" 2.35 completely dark room and screen is surrounded by 10 feet of black velvet to absorb reflection. I sit 13 feet from screen and projector will be mounted 16 feet from screen.
I do understand that its no where close for a great 3D experience. I do want to stick around with AT screen since I get great sound and also extra 25" wider screen and most likely there isn't any AT screen with higher gain. Even if I was to overlook sound quality part, I cannot reduce the screen size from 145" to 120". I absolutely love the screen size and how it extends side to side in the room.

My plan is to get a 120" wide 16:9 with the manual masking panels. If I mount the PJ at 15' 2D should be very good but 3D luminance will really suffer.
post #59 of 386
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My plan is to get a 120" wide 16:9 with the manual masking panels. If I mount the PJ at 15' 2D should be very good but 3D luminance will really suffer.

This happens to be the exact size screen i'll be getting from Seymour as well later...

Once you get it, please review the brightness for us here for 2D and 3D viewing on such a big screen.
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My plan is to get a 120" wide 16:9 with the manual masking panels. If I mount the PJ at 15' 2D should be very good but 3D luminance will really suffer.

This happens to be the exact size screen i'll be getting from Seymour as well later...

Once you get it, please review the brightness for us here for 2D and 3D viewing on such a big screen.

I will but it's gonna be awhile. The 600 is supposed to arrive tomorrow and I'm going to truck it up to WI over the weekend. The house is new construction (just had the windows installed last weekend) and it could be two or three months before I can set up the theater.

On another note, the Wausau forecast for Tuesday AM when I'll be unloading the truck is 24 below. Jeeze........... eek.gif
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