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post #1 of 16
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I cannot believe, but we did not beat this horse for over two years!

Santa (and my year-end bonus) was pretty generous this year, and I have Sony RX10 under the tree and the new desktop being built:
http://www.costco.com/HP-ENVY-700qe-Desktop-%7c-Intel-Core-i7-%7c-4GB-Graphics-%7c-Blu-ray-Player.product.100077253.html

Now I think it is the time to review Video Editing software options.

I mostly do indoor/outdoor youth-going-to-high school-sports.
Here is my workflow for hockey:
I record a game (not every game) with short 20-60 sec. clips and generally get about 50 clips per game. After the game we watch, pick the clips and
boys put together game highlights - 3-5 min. long, slap Title and Credits and final going to Vimeo there they have a team channel.
There is nothing artistic, very little editing if any.
Once in a while we can spend a little bit more time and put together tournament or playoffs highlights with music and comments.
We are planning to continue this rout, but in addition I would like to try different and probably scripted? things.

We use PowerDirector 10 for now and it became a little bit to heavy for my 5 years old PC.

With better camera and much more powerful PC -should I consider different Video Editing Software?

Here is the list so far:
1. Cyberlink PowerDirector 12
2. Adobe Premiere Elements 11
3. Sony Movie Studio Platinum Suite 12 - or Vegas?

Any suggestions?
post #2 of 16
I have a Sony RX100, so the AVCHD footage will be similar. If you look up my posts on the subject you will find that I am a confessed fanboy of Adobe Premier Elements. I tried Sony Movie Studio two versions ago and ran into a difficult and rare glitch.

I am using Version 11 of Premier Elements. Version 12 came out in October and there are a few new features, but I did not upgrade.

The reasons I like Premier Elements:
1. The most important is that there is an overwhelming array of learning opportunities. My favorites are video tutorials. (I'll provide links if you want.)
2. It's cheap.
3. It will take advantage of the 64 bit option in Windows.
4. It has an "Easy Mode" (that I have abandon) and an "Expert Mode"
5. There is a Vimeo output preset that works very well.
6. Titles and credits can be done in many ways.
7. There are two easy and very good slow motion tools
8. I have not found anything I can't do in the "Expert Mode".

Those that post frequently here that use Sony Movie Studio are equally happy with it but I don't think the learning resources are as abundant.

Considering what you say you want to do, don't overlook the Sony software that comes with your camera.

Bill
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
PD has all those options too.

The biggest question is - Would I have better looking output from Adobe/Sony than from PD?
BTW - nothing comes with the camera, but I can download PlayMemories frown.gif
post #4 of 16
The enemy is compression. Playmemories will trim and combine clips with no compression. I don't think you can do titles, credits and slow motion. On the RX100, I think Playmemories was in the camera's brains. When hooked to the computer with a USB, it asked permission to install it.

I have no idea how Power Director transcodes, renders or processes AVCHD to a Vimeo tuned format. If you "get it right", I suspect it will be as good as anything else.

I do know that I've had good success putting the full 1080p60 AVCHD Sony video clips into Premier Elements and transcodeing or rendering to Vimeo specific attributes, complete with titles, credits and slow motion.

The first compression is done as PrE transcodes. After uploading, Vimeo works on it again and that is always a bit of a mystery, but more compression takes place. So there is some loss to compression. Still, if you get the presets right at output, the viewing results on a computer watching the Vimeo version is very good.

Would you like a link to a Vimeo sample or two from my Sony produced and Premier processed video?
post #5 of 16
bobk77,
I have been using Sony Movie Studio Platinum Suite 11 and just recently went to Sony Vegas Pro to edit AVCHD Video from my Panasonic GH3 Camera..both are very simple to use and function almost the same.

Just my $.02
RayJr
post #6 of 16
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Would you like a link to a Vimeo sample or two from my Sony produced and Premier processed video?[/quote]

What would greatly apreciated.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by bobk77 View Post

Would you like a link to a Vimeo sample or two from my Sony produced and Premier processed video?

What would greatly apreciated.[/quote]
Lately I've been trying to figure out how to mix stills and video into something entertaining. This one is a work in progress project and mostly stills to 3:00, then some video clips.
https://vimeo.com/78107062

This one of the Grand Canyon is also mostly stills, but all the video clips are from the RX100.
https://vimeo.com/64474485

This one is almost all video from an older Sony camera but still shot in AVCHD 1080p60 like you will do with the RX10:
https://vimeo.com/36973087

A very short clip:
https://vimeo.com/57029122

With this one, I was trying to see how far I could get the RX100 to go with near darkness toward the end and even cooked it a little extra with Premier Elements and it gets a little grainy:
https://vimeo.com/62955392

Hope you enjoy them!
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

What would greatly apreciated.
Lately I've been trying to figure out how to mix stills and video into something entertaining. This one is a work in progress project and mostly stills to 3:00, then some video clips.
https://vimeo.com/78107062

This one of the Grand Canyon is also mostly stills, but all the video clips are from the RX100.
https://vimeo.com/64474485

This one is almost all video from an older Sony camera but still shot in AVCHD 1080p60 like you will do with the RX10:
https://vimeo.com/36973087

A very short clip:
https://vimeo.com/57029122

With this one, I was trying to see how far I could get the RX100 to go with near darkness toward the end and even cooked it a little extra with Premier Elements and it gets a little grainy:
https://vimeo.com/62955392

Hope you enjoy them![/quote]
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

The enemy is compression. Playmemories will trim and combine clips with no compression. I don't think you can do titles, credits and slow motion. On the RX100, I think Playmemories was in the camera's brains. When hooked to the computer with a USB, it asked permission to install it.

I have no idea how Power Director transcodes, renders or processes AVCHD to a Vimeo tuned format. If you "get it right", I suspect it will be as good as anything else.

I do know that I've had good success putting the full 1080p60 AVCHD Sony video clips into Premier Elements and transcodeing or rendering to Vimeo specific attributes, complete with titles, credits and slow motion.

The first compression is done as PrE transcodes. After uploading, Vimeo works on it again and that is always a bit of a mystery, but more compression takes place. So there is some loss to compression. Still, if you get the presets right at output, the viewing results on a computer watching the Vimeo version is very good.

Would you like a link to a Vimeo sample or two from my Sony produced and Premier processed video?

Thank you Bill I always envy you work,
As my wife said, I don't have an artistic bone in my body smile.gif

I have a few days before I can really test RX10 at the rink - next game is December 28.
I hope someone has hands on experience with PD and other Editors. I did try Sony Vegas trial version and did not find it very intuitive...
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Rayjr View Post

bobk77,
I have been using Sony Movie Studio Platinum Suite 11 and just recently went to Sony Vegas Pro to edit AVCHD Video from my Panasonic GH3 Camera..both are very simple to use and function almost the same.

Just my $.02
RayJr

@RayJr, I've been a Vegas and Edius user for a long time.. several months ago I added a new one and I think you may find it very interesting. The license model is different but in reality less expensive vs the upgrades of others. There is a free version as well.

It's a whole different level.

Check out Lightworks.

I believe they are running a 50% special for 2-year License until tomorrow


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post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post


Check out Lightworks.

I believe they are running a 50% special for 2-year License until tomorrow

What do you mean "2 year license"?
Is that one of those awful cloud based editors like Adobe creative cloud where you don't own the software but rent it?

Adobe creative cloud BTW was just recently hacked and is now affecting 38 million user accounts.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

What do you mean "2 year license"?
Is that one of those awful cloud based editors like Adobe creative cloud where you don't own the software but rent it?

Adobe creative cloud BTW was just recently hacked and is now affecting 38 million user accounts.
It was not their creative cloud. It was their billing system. I bought an upgrade to Lightroom, have never used their cloud and my credit card company sent me a new one because it had been "comprimised".

Didn't Target loose track of 400 million cards this week?
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by bobk77 View Post

Thank you Bill I always envy you work,
As my wife said, I don't have an artistic bone in my body smile.gif

I have a few days before I can really test RX10 at the rink - next game is December 28.
I hope someone has hands on experience with PD and other Editors. I did try Sony Vegas trial version and did not find it very intuitive...
Thank you. You imply you've looked at my stuff before. There is not that much of it. I'm flattered by your compliment.

My sense is that the RX10 in the 60p mode is going to get great footage. I looked up PD. It seems to be very capable.

I think once we learn a tool it becomes "intuitive" and then everything else that works differently is "counter intuitive"!
Edited by bsprague - 12/23/13 at 5:48pm
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

It was not their creative cloud. It was their billing system.
No. It was the whole nine yards.
They got billing, credit card numbers, personal account information AND Adobe source code.
Quote:
Didn't Target loose track of 400 million cards this week?
All the more reason renting software and keeping accounts active for such purposes is a BAD idea.
post #14 of 16
EDIT: I see from 11.1 onward, they now allow all to activate offline, no internet access on the target computer is needed, see InstallActivateGuide for details

for Lightworks, you only have to connect to the internet once to download and activate as the license is tied to the respective machine you activate the software on and your username and password. You can activated more than one computer.

Major clients with stations not on the net have other options I believe.

$30 a year with the current promo, do 1, 2, or 3 years. Far a head $ of my other solutions, Vegas and Edius the last 3-4 years with all the upgrades I've paid for.

Windows 64. Also Linux support: http://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=58923&Itemid=81

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Edited by turbe - 12/24/13 at 1:29pm
post #15 of 16
Lightworks 11.5 has been released.

There is now an option to purchase the software outright ($280) and a new monthly subscription $8). The Annual subscription option ($80) is still available as well.

http://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=61899&Itemid=81#61899

Some could possibly get away with using just the FREE version with some recent changes:
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The free version now allows users to import all professional and consumer video formats natively on its timeline, with the ability to add titles, both features previously reserved for Pro users in 11.1.1. The difference between Free and Pro now is that the Pro version has a much wider range of output options, whereas the Free version is limited to web formats (ie MPEG4/H.264), at up to 720p. The Pro version also includes the advanced project sharing, 3D stereoscopic output, user-definable project locations, rendering and Hardware I/O support.

-Turbe
Edited by turbe - 1/30/14 at 5:32pm
post #16 of 16
I don't get what is unique about LIghtworks.
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