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Now, Sony seems to throw the towel ... Tough times...

If Sony stops making TVs they would DEFINITELY go out of business...LOL! Seriously though, they have announced that they will concentrate on their efforts on the high-end and mid-range lines in an attempt to regain lost market share. Some models are expected to feature Quantum Dot technology, which supposedly mimics the color fidelity and contrast of OLED. Personally, I think as along as Kaz Hirai is in charge they stand a pretty good chance of making a major "comeback."
post #92 of 107
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Originally Posted by csan View Post

Now, Sony seems to throw the towel ... Tough times...

If Sony stops making TVs they would DEFINITELY go out of business...LOL! Seriously though, they have announced that they will concentrate on their efforts on the high-end and mid-range lines in an attempt to regain lost market share. Some models are expected to feature Quantum Dot technology, which supposedly mimics the color fidelity and contrast of OLED. Personally, I think as along as Kaz Hirai is in charge they stand a pretty good chance of making a major "comeback."


Kaz Hirai has done nothing to help Sony get out of the deep hole that its in. mad.gif
post #93 of 107
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

Note to self...Panasonic stock now in the "sell"'column.

"Now"?

I'm pretty sure you have to rewind back a bit to "then" to hit the real sell-by date...
post #94 of 107
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Kaz Hirai has done nothing to help Sony get out of the deep hole that its in. mad.gif

LOL…give the man a break. It's going to take more than just a couple of years to undo over a decade of screwups on the part of the previous CEO. If he can get as much out of their new TV lines as he did with the PS3, things should improve dramatically, IMHO.
post #95 of 107
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Kaz Hirai has done nothing to help Sony get out of the deep hole that its in. mad.gif

LOL…give the man a break. It's going to take more than just a couple of years to undo over a decade of screwups on the part of the previous CEO. If he can get as much out of their new TV lines as he did with the PS3, things should improve dramatically, IMHO.


Well he aint going to have a couple of more years to fix the screw ups of the previous CEO because the new tv lines wont save Sony, not by a long shot Rudy. But we will see.
post #96 of 107
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Well he aint going to have a couple of more years to fix the screw ups of the previous CEO because the new tv lines wont save Sony, not by a long shot Rudy. But we will see.

I have to agree that he'd better get it together fast, but I think he shares the same vision that Akio Morita had for the company. Perhaps it will take more than their new TV lines to save the company, but when people around the world hear the word "Sony", TV is the first thing that comes to mind. So if they can repeat the success they had with Trinitron, I think they stand a pretty good chance of staying afloat.

I guess I have a soft spot for Sony because in all the years I've been playing with AV gear, Sony is the one manufacturer who's never failed to impress me with their implementation of cutting-edge tech. I remember back in the day when their commercials were so full of hubris that you just couldn't help but smile at their arrogance. And having owned dozens of their products, I have had nothing but good experiences as far as their customer support is concerned. "Sony" used to mean more tech than you'd ever be able to use, ridiculously high prices, and extremely high quality. They need to get back to that and do what they used to do so well.
post #97 of 107
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Well he aint going to have a couple of more years to fix the screw ups of the previous CEO because the new tv lines wont save Sony, not by a long shot Rudy. But we will see.

I have to agree that he'd better get it together fast, but I think he shares the same vision that Akio Morita had for the company. Perhaps it will take more than their new TV lines to save the company, but when people around the world hear the word "Sony", TV is the first thing that comes to mind. So if they can repeat the success they had with Trinitron, I think they stand a pretty good chance of staying afloat.

I guess I have a soft spot for Sony because in all the years I've been playing with AV gear, Sony is the one manufacturer who's never failed to impress me with their implementation of cutting-edge tech. I remember back in the day when their commercials were so full of hubris that you just couldn't help but smile at their arrogance. And having owned dozens of their products, I have had nothing but good experiences as far as their customer support is concerned. "Sony" used to mean more tech than you'd ever be able to use, ridiculously high prices, and extremely high quality. They need to get back to that and do what they used to do so well.


Rudy,

It looks to me that Kaz Hirai don't have the same vision Akio Morita had and that is what Sony desperately needs right now, Vision. I don't blame Hirai for dumping the PC Division, if it aint making money then why keep it around? So there he made the right move. If I were Kaz Hirai I would make a move on OLED and start drifting away from 4K. I know that sounds crazy but lets face it there is to much competition from other manufacturers to produce 4K so he should turn Sony's attention to OLED. I am not saying dump 4K all together, keep it going in small numbers while slowly moving towards production of OLED and when Sony has the capacity to manufacturer OLED in full capacity then go full throttle. Sony can do this because they have the means, money and production capabilities to do it. That being said....Like you I have a soft spot for Sony and I always will. Their products have always been top notch and I have nothing but positive thoughts on their Customer Service. I have owned a lot of Sony products over the years and they all have been excellent and have never failed me. I currently own Sony's HX850 HDTV and I think its one of the best TV's made by Sony. But I feel over the last 2 years, and maybe before that, they have slowly slid into mediocrity. And why? Because of stupid business decisions from the top down. Is Kaz Hirai the man who can change this? I don't know. It remains to be seen.
post #98 of 107
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"Sony" used to mean more tech than you'd ever be able to use, ridiculously high prices, and extremely high quality. They need to get back to that and do what they used to do so well.

That used to be the case in the UK too. Sony meant high prices but high quality. The high prices stayed but the quality gradually fell and products started failing prematurely, tarnishing their reputation in the process. Customers looked elsewhere and got better quality at better prices and Sony lost out.
I remember buying a Sony 5.1 system which failed within three years. When I opened it up the Transformer had failed and it didn't even have an inline fuse to protect it, relying instead on the fuse in the mains plug. It was abysmal quality and not what I expected from Sony.
They have a LOT to do to get back to where they used to be in the minds of the buying public.
post #99 of 107
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That used to be the case in the UK too. Sony meant high prices but high quality. The high prices stayed but the quality gradually fell and products started failing prematurely, tarnishing their reputation in the process. Customers looked elsewhere and got better quality at better prices and Sony lost out.
I remember buying a Sony 5.1 system which failed within three years. When I opened it up the Transformer had failed and it didn't even have an inline fuse to protect it, relying instead on the fuse in the mains plug. It was abysmal quality and not what I expected from Sony.
They have a LOT to do to get back to where they used to be in the minds of the buying public.

What troubles me the most about Sony is how willingly their engineering teams accept defeat these days. This was unheard of in the past, but now things seem quite different. For example, I read somewhere that Sony's engineers claimed that the reason the XBR55X900A can only display a 540p image in 3D mode is that it was "difficult" to line up the FPR panels to obtain a true 1080p image at that screen size. When did this type of attitude become acceptable for Sony? Then they come out with the first commercially available OLED TV, only to drop out of the race years later because of costs and low manufacturing yields? Oh well, I guess they know what they're doing. Perhaps if they had stuck to what they did best---what made their company a world leader in imaging and display equipment---they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now. I hope they're able to pull through because if they ceased to be then I don't see why any of the other manufacturers would feel compelled to risk their profits for the sake of innovation and brand image prestige.
post #100 of 107
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

What troubles me the most about Sony is how willingly their engineering teams accept defeat these days. This was unheard of in the past, but now things seem quite different. For example, I read somewhere that Sony's engineers claimed that the reason the XBR55X900A can only display a 540p image in 3D mode is that it was "difficult" to line up the FPR panels to obtain a true 1080p image at that screen size. When did this type of attitude become acceptable for Sony? Then they come out with the first commercially available OLED TV, only to drop out of the race years later because of costs and low manufacturing yields? Oh well, I guess they know what they're doing. Perhaps if they had stuck to what they did best---what made their company a world leader in imaging and display equipment---they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now. I hope they're able to pull through because if they ceased to be then I don't see why any of the other manufacturers would feel compelled to risk their profits for the sake of innovation and brand image prestige.

Look, the display market has become basically a commodity. No one cares who produces it as long as it is affordable and meets a certain price/performance ratio. Value brands will always win out long term. The Japaneses pushed out the American manufactures. The Koreans pushed out the Japanese and now China will eventually push everyone out. You can not compete with their labor cost, factory operating cost, government subsidies, lack of environmental regulation etc. In 10 years, it will probably be LG in Korea, China Star (CSOT), AUO and eventually Hon Hai making panels for the entire large display market.
post #101 of 107
The Sony love affair happening in this thread is making me nauseous. biggrin.gif
post #102 of 107
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

The Sony love affair happening in this thread is making me nauseous. biggrin.gif


The love affair with Sony? I am a Sony fan boy and damn proud of it. biggrin.gif
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With everyone looking for perfection in an imperfect world, its a wonder Sony does not go out of business. Think about those LED televisions that have clouds in them with a total black screen and everyone who sees them take them back although the clouds may not be visible with a real picture. I have the clouds on my XBR-8, but I never see them when there is a picture so it does not bother me.
post #105 of 107
I would never settle for a cloudy LCD screen because it *does* show up in low APL content. I lived with that for a year with a Samsung TV and swore to never do it again. It simply distracts my attention and takes me out of the viewing experience. The plasmas I have owned since have other defects (dirty screen effect in particular), but it has been far easier to tolerate than MURA or clouds that obscure details in low light level viewing.

Steve, I can't say that I'm a fanboy of CEMs anymore. Pioneer used to be the pinnacle of greatness in my mind, but reality has been tough on the brand (as it has been on most). I appreciate Sony's contributions over the years (CD, betamax, MD, and Blu-ray), but their arrogance and questionable business practices have left me cold.
post #106 of 107
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I would never settle for a cloudy LCD screen because it *does* show up in low APL content. I lived with that for a year with a Samsung TV and swore to never do it again. It simply distracts my attention and takes me out of the viewing experience. The plasmas I have owned since have other defects (dirty screen effect in particular), but it has been far easier to tolerate than MURA or clouds that obscure details in low light level viewing.

Steve, I can't say that I'm a fanboy of CEMs anymore. Pioneer used to be the pinnacle of greatness in my mind, but reality has been tough on the brand (as it has been on most). I appreciate Sony's contributions over the years (CD, betamax, MD, and Blu-ray), but their arrogance and questionable business practices have left me cold.


I hate to say it Vinnie but I agree with your last words about Sony's arrogance and questionable business practices. To be honest it has me wondering whether I will buy another Sony product in the future. My HX850 and BDP S5100 Blu ray player may be the last from Sony. My Sony fanboy thing maybe a thing of the past after what I have been reading and seeing. From the top down as I have said before the company is a mess with no direction and in the end it will cost them.
post #107 of 107
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Look, the display market has become basically a commodity. No one cares who produces it as long as it is affordable and meets a certain price/performance ratio. Value brands will always win out long term. The Japaneses pushed out the American manufactures. The Koreans pushed out the Japanese and now China will eventually push everyone out. You can not compete with their labor cost, factory operating cost, government subsidies, lack of environmental regulation etc. In 10 years, it will probably be LG in Korea, China Star (CSOT), AUO and eventually Hon Hai making panels for the entire large display market.

You are right. As a matter of fact it´s already happening. Sony used this strategy on it´s W line last year, and so did Panasonic with it´s remaining LCD units.

Sony W802a/(805a) 2013 used LG IPS Panels, Panasonic with its ET60B and of course the variants of the LG line, while Sony W955a 2013 had AUO VA Panels. No brand holds all the procedures and parts from their products (if they ever did in recent years). China and South Korea are here in the TV market to stay, and that´s why, IMHO, there´s no way to say who will be in the market within the next five years.

Only in 2013 we saw, besides this Panasonic-Sony OLED joint that falled appart, the Panasonic brand itself leaving the plasma TV ground to the LCD (except for the "fine" hairdriers eek.gif), and Mistubishi, with its once promising Laser panels, declaring they´re off the TV game for good.

This situation began long before, as factories in Japan are way much too havier to carry on when compared to the ones on Chinese or Korean ground, allied to "wrong" or "misplaced" market strategies that led to historical financial loss on long known brands like Sony and Panasonic.

I guess we can expect an overcome of new brands we´ve never heard of before, and a low leveling of quality of TV sets.
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