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post #1 of 44
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How does a guy get WinISD to present the graph in dB instead of this manner. Thanks!

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/diy-subwoofers-general-discussion/6330-winisd-pro-tutorial-download-detailed-guide-how-use-winisd-pro.html
post #2 of 44
I assume you mean SPL? Just click the drop down menu and choose SPL. The magnitude graph is all ready in db. Its just db relative to "0" db.

Like this:


Edited by splotten - 12/31/13 at 11:55am
post #3 of 44
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Thanks Splot! I saw that but was clicking on the wrong one. Well I don’t like what I come up with so far lol. No 1 it hangs when I try to close but I found the answer to that. It will be a ongoing prob though but easy enough to work around. I took the 15” RL-p and put it in 300 l 6-8” port 35-40” long and came up with about 85dB 480 watts. It would not let me change power and I had a very sharp rise at tune, 18ish. I know I’m doing something wrong. It’s what's been keeping me from doing what I ought to have done years ago.
post #4 of 44
Steve,

Have you read this tutorial?

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?TID=74558&PN=1

I found it very helpful. It is crucial to follow the input instructions in the proper order. I am able to everything, including changing the power.

I haven't figured out how to close it yet, though. Other than turning my computer off...rolleyes.gif
post #5 of 44
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Originally Posted by fr8doggr View Post

Steve,

Have you read this tutorial?

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?TID=74558&PN=1

I found it very helpful. It is crucial to follow the input instructions in the proper order. I am able to everything, including changing the power.

I haven't figured out how to close it yet, though. Other than turning my computer off...rolleyes.gif

Thank you I’ll check it out. When you want to close it there are 3 ways in W 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chQVxRkiTEs I used the third method.
post #6 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

No 1 it hangs when I try to close but I found the answer to that. It will be a ongoing prob though but easy enough to work around.

The "hang on exit" problem is usually due to using an older version of WinISD on Vista or later. The latest version is here: http://www.linearteam.org/download/winisd-07x.exe
post #7 of 44
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^^^Thanks andy, out with the old and in with the new then.
post #8 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Thanks Splot! I saw that but was clicking on the wrong one. Well I don’t like what I come up with so far lol. No 1 it hangs when I try to close but I found the answer to that. It will be a ongoing prob though but easy enough to work around. I took the 15” RL-p and put it in 300 l 6-8” port 35-40” long and came up with about 85dB 480 watts. It would not let me change power and I had a very sharp rise at tune, 18ish. I know I’m doing something wrong. It’s what's been keeping me from doing what I ought to have done years ago.

Winisd is like that. At best its beta software. I too have problems. I usually restart it if some of the functions hang.


Im not at all familiar with that woofer. Its not easy to work with. For a quick n dirty model you can try:

200L, 15Hz tune, 1 x 6" port, 700W, 2nd order butterworth HP at 16Hz.

or

150L, 20Hz tune, 1 x 6" port, 1000W, 2nd order butterworth HP at 21Hz.

I am sure it can be done bettter, but its start.
post #9 of 44
Thread Starter 
Just from what little I see, I like it better. Is there a good tutorial that you know of or does the previous suggestion by fr8 apply?
post #10 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Im not at all familiar with that woofer. Its not easy to work with. For a quick n dirty model you can try:

200L, 15Hz tune, 1 x 6" port, 700W, 2nd order butterworth HP at 16Hz.

or

150L, 20Hz tune, 1 x 6" port, 1000W, 2nd order butterworth HP at 21HZ

Ok cool! Yeah I built a bunch of those once (300l) but forget all the particulars and the one I have left is in storage with a SDX driver now.

I’ll try what you suggest though and see if I can come up with something. Can you tell me why the 2nd ord butter though?
post #11 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Just from what little I see, I like it better. Is there a good tutorial that you know of or does the previous suggestion by fr8 apply?

I'd recommend that you have a look at the first post in New to DIY? FAQs in here sticky FAQ thread. Scroll down to the WinISD troubleshooting section and try that procedure. Also check out this thread at HTS.
post #12 of 44
Not for any particular reason. It was the first one tried and it seem to work. As stated: Quick n dirty :-)

You could also try the bigger, recommended box from soundsplinters homepage. I am sure it will need some sharp filtering to deal with the rising response at the tuning point.
post #13 of 44
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Thanks guys. HTS is part of my desk top and get help from Mike from time to time. That's the older format though. I guess the RL-p I’m thinking of will have to be manually downloaded or plugged in. It seems as though WinISD have the car guys in mind. rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
post #14 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Thanks guys. HTS is part of my desk top and get help from Mike from time to time. That's the older format though. I guess the RL-p I’m thinking of will have to be manually downloaded or plugged in. It seems as though WinISD have the car guys in mind. rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

Another problem in earlier WinISD versions was non-functional help system in Vista and later. The help feature now works in Vista and above ("i" button, Help, Table of Contents).

If you tell me which RL-p sub you're looking at, I could create the driver file and post it here.

Oops, I just noticed you already posted that HTS link. biggrin.gif
post #15 of 44
Thread Starter 
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"Ok, that's all nice and fine, but how did you know what numbers to plug into WinISD to achieve this plot?", you ask. Well, here's where you're gonna learn about the true power of WinISD, my friend. Position your mouse cursor over that diagram of the speaker (below the words Box Shape) in the Project Window (under the Box tab, if you've gone astray). Click and hold your left mouse button. Move your mouse. "Draw" the plot that you want. Release the rodent. Observe the new displayed Box Volume and Tuning Frequency data. Now, wasn't that easy? Want a little secret about drawing your plot? Click here.

I like it wink.gif Hey does anybody have any input on why my spl is showing 85dB 1m with a 1000 watts feeding different 15”s? I’m sure there is something I need to follow through on.

EDIT> I got it.. max spl in trans function
Edited by steve nn - 1/1/14 at 7:14am
post #16 of 44
Where is the above quote quoted from? Cant seem to find it or see it anywhere. Didnt know that feature and would like to know more.

Can you post a screenshot of what you are seeing. Sounds strange with only 85db at that power level. Maybe you are not using the correct unit of measure. To the right of many input boxes the unit of measure is displayed Its clickable and can be altered between for instance liters and m^3.

EDIT. Oh. I see you got it :-)
post #17 of 44
Thread Starter 
Hey splot.. If you access the help page under the first and second topics it will tell you about it. It’s very slick! Anyway it’s the big blue button at the top with (i) under help. You hold your mouse over the speaker and move around and you’ll pick up on it. You bring up another question though. How do I post a screen shot? It does not save to pics like I would like and then me uploading to my photo account. I wined up with a PDF, that’s not what I want.
post #18 of 44
Thanks.

Screenshot like this:



Activate the window you want to shoot by clicking in it.

Hold down ALT while pressing print screen on you key board, open MS Paint, Paste ( control V) shot in to Paint, Crop relevant part in Paint, Save As .... , click the little "landscape" icon above the reply field, Click Upload image, navigate to picture....
post #19 of 44
Thread Starter 
^^^ I guess no right click and save to pics! tongue.gif Thanks!


post #20 of 44
Another way to do this on Win 7 is by using the Windows snipping tool (Start button->All Programs->Accessories->Snipping Tool).

My favorite way though is to use the freeware graphics file viewer IrfanView. To capture using this tool, run IrfanView, then choose Options->Capture/Screenshot, or, much easier, just press the "C" key. Choose the way you want the destination window captured and other options, then click the Start button of the capture dialog. Activate the target application and press Ctrl+F11 (or whatever hotkey you have specified). This will capture the application's window in IrfanView. Once this is done, you can drag a rectangle around in the capture, then choose Edit->Crop Selection. Then you can save the file to any format you want. I like this approach because you only need IrfanView (and the target app of course) for all required operations. And IrfanView is a great file viewer too, with slideshow capability, resizing, yada yada.
post #21 of 44
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andy> Another way to do this on Win 7 is by using the Windows snipping tool (Start button->All Programs->Accessories->Snipping Tool).

Hey that’s a easy one, thanks! Just between you and me.. I was like 35ish when we received our first computer (that was many years ago) and when I first happened upon the audio forums I thought guys were actually typing in all the quotes themselves freehand lol. Yeah I learned fast, but only what I needed to as time went on.
post #22 of 44
You're welcome!

Regarding your previous question about using tutorials made for earlier versions of WinISD on the latest version, the situation is much better than it might seem. Earlier versions had dialog boxes that floated above the main program for setting various options for the box, signal levels, etc. The latest version, as you've seen, has a form area at the bottom of the main window, with different forms activated by a button-like interface on the lower left (Driver, Box, Filters, Signal, etc. when a project has been created). But these forms all have virtually the same items in them as the corresponding dialog boxes in earlier versions of the program. So the options are virtually all the same, except you activate the desired form by clicking on the appropriate buttons at the lower left, instead of launching a dialog box to do so.

Also, here is how to find the project and driver files that WinISD creates. Use Windows Explorer (Windows_key+E) and navigate as shown in the pic: Items under My Documents may vary depending on what programs you have installed.

post #23 of 44
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I was able to track them down.

I thought I had the latest version but apparently I don’t according to Mike over at the shack! I’m not getting the right screen when clicking on a driver over there and hopefully when I get the right version that might be the fix. My version reads Pro 0.7 (0.7.0.900) I do see from having a couple different versions in the last couple days the general usage concept is still there, maybe just indexed differently from a beginners standpoint?
post #24 of 44
another way to grab what is on your screen and post is with the PrntScr (print screen) function.

press prntscr

goto ms paint

press ctrl +v to paste it in

use the crop tool to select the section you want

press ctrl +x to cut it

press ctrl +n to create a new file

press ctrl +v to paste in what you had cut

alt +f +s to save it off.

once you get a hang of it, it takes all of 5 seconds (literally). :-)
post #25 of 44
Thread Starter 
^^^ Thanks LTD. Say when I click on a driver over at the shack this is what I’m coming up with. I have tried different versions of WinISD and it’s still the same. Any ideas? I think it’s something to do with my Adobe/PDF settings possibly??



post #26 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

^^^ Thanks LTD. Say when I click on a driver over at the shack this is what I’m coming up with. I have tried different versions of WinISD and it’s still the same. Any ideas? I think it’s something to do with my Adobe/PDF settings possibly??




can't help you with that one, Steve, but I do see the Jaro fan spec sheet pdf I posted...biggrin.gif


...actually, a .wdr extension trying to be opened by adobe??
post #27 of 44
Thread Starter 
That’s funny! I’m running two different browsers, I can’t be sure?? I must have clicked on your fan spec sheet and when it opened it up it did so as a PDF and possibly saved or it’s just adobe history?? Anyway I'm not to concerned with fans right now biggrin.gif although I could use one trying to fig this issue out. wink.gif I will enter your thought into Google though and see what comes up. I remember messing with my settings in Adobe once and think I did a little something. rolleyes.gif
post #28 of 44
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

I thought I had the latest version but apparently I don’t according to Mike over at the shack! I’m not getting the right screen when clicking on a driver over there and hopefully when I get the right version that might be the fix. My version reads Pro 0.7 (0.7.0.900)

0.7.0.900 is the latest version.
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Say when I click on a driver over at the shack this is what I’m coming up with. I have tried different versions of WinISD and it’s still the same. Any ideas? I think it’s something to do with my Adobe/PDF settings possibly??

I assume you're talking about this thread over at HTS? To download the .wdr file, try right-clicking on it. Depending on what browser you're using, you should get a context menu with an option of something like "Save As" or "Save Link As". Choose that option (containing "As"), then you should get a dialog box prompting you where to save the file. Navigate to the folder I described in my earlier post to save the file.

The file contents should only be viewed from within WinISD. To do this, launch WinISD and click the "Driver Database" button on the toolbar (speaker icon). You'll get a "Driver Editor" dialog box. Choose "Load". This will open a dialog box allowing you to browse for the specific file you're looking for. Navigate to the desired driver file, then choose "Open".
post #29 of 44
Thread Starter 
Ok I was mistaken. The version of WinISD I have is what works (maybe best) with the driver files over there Mike informs me. Anyway I was able to load like you suggested andy but now I get a hang or can’t figure out how to move forward. I just go back and forth regardless if I click save or load. If I choose a driver from the first menu there's no problem though. next-next-next...


post #30 of 44
That capture you're showing is for an older version of WinISD. You can tell because the graphs in the old version have a green grid on a black background. The graphs in the new version have a black grid on a white background as shown in this earlier post of yours. It looks like you have both old and new versions installed. Installing the new does not automatically uninstall the old. I'd recommend uninstalling the older one to avoid confusion (Start button, Control Panel, then "Uninstall a program" under "Programs").
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