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post #31 of 48
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Funny, I was gonna pull the trigger on that exact listing when it went down to 75 bucks even though I don't own a 60 inch Kuro... yet. Been hunting for one for a while now and wanted to safeguard myself in case I bought one without a stand. Glad to hear it ended up with someone who needed it more. I'll second the advice of having D-Nice calibrate your set. The guy is a magician and worked wonders with my 101-FD.

What's crazy is I had to really dig through the forums to even find out that the PDK-1015 was a compatible stand. And the thread I found I think started out saying that there were likely no cross compatible stands so I thought "uh-oh, this could be a small problem". But later someone else chimed in and said they had confirmed it as working properly. I almost bought the KRP-TS01 that's on there for like 330.00, and I don't even think it's a US based seller so thanks, I'd be lost without the stand smile.gif

Once I get everything set up I may follow up with D-nice about that calibration. Want to spend a little more time with both TVs just as they are before I do anything else.
post #32 of 48
Playdrv4me-
Nice write up on your observations of the panels you have. It was very informative, thank you! But as qwknuf6 says, open up the isf modes. Its night and day difference compared to pure mode IMO.
post #33 of 48
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Thanks. This TV is amazing.

Now, a question. I know you will all say just go and read the thread but I try to avoid that as it's the best way to get paranoid and crazy about things that sometimes aren't worth the worry. I noticed that there's a "red tint" problem thread that's gaining traction here. Is this something I need to proactively look for and does it make it not worth keeping if it has it?

I wish I had the budget to keep both TVs, but ultimately I am going to have to decide upon several factors, including the Panasonic's full warranty but also the Panasonic's susceptibility to IR which I can already tell the KURO is masterful at resisting. I didn't cancel my ZT delivery because I got a wonderful deal on that one, too. Because they're honoring my open box 10 percent coupon, this TV, which actually was my TV originally bought new (long story, it's in the deals thread) will end up being about 1700.00. So it's not as easy a decision as it seems. The next few days will be interesting!

I didn't have the Red tint problem with my 141, but a problem with Blue. As time passed Blue became harder to tame.

As far as IR, don't be fooled, the 141 is not any better than a 65VT60. In my case I only viewed movies from the original disc's using a Oppo, I got a bad case of IR from the lower and upper bars that a lot of movies have.

I also sold my 141 for $1,000.00, manly because of the above problems. However my 141 had a lot more hours on it than yours. I never did go into the service menu or do a reset that would erase the hours that have been already accumulated, as you are reading in the Red tint thread.

If you haven't already check out the Kuro 141 thread. wink.gif

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post #34 of 48
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I didn't have the Red tint problem with my 141, but a problem with Blue. As time passed Blue became harder to tame.

As far as IR, don't be fooled, the 141 is not any better than a 65VT60. In my case I only viewed movies from the original disc's using a Oppo, I got a bad case of IR from the lower and upper bars that a lot of movies have.

I also sold my 141 for $1,000.00, manly because of the above problems. However my 141 had a lot more hours on it than yours. I never did go into the service menu or do a reset that would erase the hours that have been already accumulated, as you are reading in the Red tint thread.

If you haven't already check out the Kuro 141 thread. wink.gif

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The lower and upper black bars thing will happen on any plasma over time and accumulation of hours spent watching that material. The Panasonic IR is a *completely* different animal as it occurs within just a few hours and happens with channel logos worse than anything. Both my 60ZT and 55VT exhibited the same behavior (when I had the VT). The Pioneer is an immediate improvement in this department.

Thing is, with the channel logos (and my podcasts like Home Theater Geeks above) I alternate between enough different content that I can keep up with it versus the black bars issue that is ALWAYS the same. But with the Panasonic even the time spent on ONE of those things was enough to begin the IR process. So I imagine with time the things I watched the most, i.e. HGTV and Velocity would become permanent stains down there.

Vinnie had mentioned the black bars issue as well then noticed what my watching habits were and ended up stating the Pio would probably be good for me, after all.

This is why I said for movie watchers it's a non issue. Not in so far that it's not going to happen, but that it's just par for the course with plasma in general when you watch that many movies with letterboxing Now, or later.
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post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

The lower and upper black bars thing will happen on any plasma over time and accumulation of hours spent watching that material. The Panasonic IR is a *completely* different animal as it occurs within just a few hours and happens with channel logos worse than anything. The Pioneer is an immediate improvement in this department.

Thing is, with the channel logos (and my podcasts like Home Theater Geeks above) I alternate between enough different content that I can keep up with it versus the black bars issue that is ALWAYS the same. But with the Panasonic even the time spent on ONE of those things was enough to begin the IR process. So I imagine with time the things I watched the most, i.e. HGTV and Velocity would become permanent stains down there.

Vinnie had mentioned the black bars issue as well then noticed what my watching habits were and ended up stating the Pio would probably be good for me, after all.

This is why I said for movie watchers it's a non issue. Not in so far that it's not going to happen, but that it's just par for the course with plasma in general when you watch that many movies with letterboxing Now, or later.

Yes I guess that can happen( letterbox) to any plasma, however I have had my 65VT60 for about 8 months now and the letterbox problem that I had with my 141 shows no sign on my VT60.
Yes I didn't/don't use the 141 or VT60 for much other that movies. What bothered me was the Oppo logo would show for a few minuets on the 141 when playing a movie as were the VT60 shows no sign of the Oppo logo. And yes I set the Oppo to screen saver so the Oppo logo isn't static after a few minuets.

Here is a link to the 141 thread, that I think you will find some very good info about the 141. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1059491/signature-elite-141-owners-thread#post_14507494

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post #36 of 48
I have over 11,000 hours on my 141 and watch a ton of film and have no issue with IR from the black bars. I have slight very temporary IR with the Oppo logo only when the set is first turned on and it lasts under a minute. If the set is on for a couple of minutes before the Oppo comes on, their is no IR at all.
post #37 of 48
^My 111FD had uneven wear in said black bars after ~2000 hours since I used it to mostly watch movies (of which there are plenty of 2.35:1). There is simply no way to NOT have uneven wear when this is the predominant content watched. It's a physical inevitability.
post #38 of 48
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Another update:

I continue to be blown away by just how phenomenal the IR resistance is on these 9G Kuro panels. I have left the TV on for days with Velocity on and I don't see a hint of the logo down there. I don't know how they achieved this but it's pretty amazing.

That said, just reading all the threads and all the things that are starting to go wrong with these TVs at this point. I think I may just sell it, make a few bucks and keep my ZT60 which I already got a ridiculously good deal on to begin with and has a nice warranty with it. Basically, selling my Elite would bring the price of my ZT60 down even further and the cash savings would be nice. Between the rising red issue, the complexity and weight in moving the thing around and other issues that seem to be cropping up, the ZT might be just a little bit better to hang on to. The only thing that I'm just gonna have to figure out a solution for is the IR.
post #39 of 48
I would like first shot at it , I am in OKlahoma , shoot me a PM .

ZT is much better than the Kuro smile.gif
post #40 of 48
^He's using reverse psychology on you...I *know* he doesn't believe that.eek.gif
post #41 of 48
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LOL, you guys are funny.

qwknuf, I'll keep you in mind, feel free to PM me if interested as I'm still kind of on the fence.

Tell you what, since I'm on this escapade of TV experimentation, if someone had a 55XBR8 Sony they wanted to trade me for the Pioneer, I'd probably be up for it. Just because it's the one last legendary 1080P display I haven't gotten to play with yet and the curiosity is getting the best of me. Would be nice to have the ZT as the last of the great plasma tech and the XBR8 as probably the last of the great LCDs, and the only one with tri-color backlighting. Still trying to figure out if it was any better than my Sharp Elite was, though (I think the Sharp had an astronomical amount of dimming zones despite the Sony having the tri-color arrangement but "only" 128 zones).
post #42 of 48
I'm faced with the same dilemma. I was thinking of buy a Pioneer PRO-150FD off Craigslist. The guy doesn't have the stand and I'm concerned about laying it down to transport it.
If I do have to lay it down would it be better glass down or the backside down?

Also is the PDK-1015 the correct stand for this TV?
post #43 of 48
Why a PRO-150FD? There are better sets available today that you can buy new.
post #44 of 48
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Why a PRO-150FD? There are better sets available today that you can buy new.


Like which ones? I haven't seen any that compare to my Pioneer 5010.
post #45 of 48
The 2013 Panasonics pretty much beat it in all metrics, as does the Samsung F8500. Now if it was a 5020 or 151FD, I can understand the hesitancy.
post #46 of 48
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I guess it depends on how cheaply you can get it, but Vinnie is right, the 2013 Pannys are an improvement over the 8G Kuros. Still I certainly can't fault you for wanting the 150.

That being said, lay it BACK side down, and make ABSOLUTELY sure that the load is EVENLY supported. On mine, I laid down little piles of dirty clothes I had from my trip at the four corners and middle of the TV respectively and I used dirty clothes because it allowed me to very specifically adjust the density and height of the material, so that no spot was getting pressed harder than others (as best as I could tell). I don't know that I'd recommend laying down any other late model TV of this size class like this, though. Most are WAY too flimsy nowadays to survive five miles, let alone 1500 this way (of course, this is why it also weighs 142lb with the stand :/ ).

Not sure but I think PDK-1015 will work for the 150 also.
post #47 of 48
Thanks for the info. This is being sold for well under a thousand so I think it is worth it. Apparently has around 7000 hrs on it so not too bad.
I haven't kept up with the latest plasma technology so I'm not familiar with the Panasonic and Samsung models and if they would perform better than the Pioneer 150. It looks like they are expensive.
post #48 of 48
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Thanks for the info. This is being sold for well under a thousand so I think it is worth it. Apparently has around 7000 hrs on it so not too bad.
I haven't kept up with the latest plasma technology so I'm not familiar with the Panasonic and Samsung models and if they would perform better than the Pioneer 150. It looks like they are expensive.

At that kind of money I'd say about the only cross-consideration you might have anymore (because you almost certainly will not find an S60 anywhere at this point) is the Samsung F5300 series, which can occasionally be found in one of its variants (big box/versus price club versions) for 8-900 in the 60 inch version. It's a phenomenal set for the money, but the Pioneer being that cheap is not a bad buy at all.
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