Originally Posted by Ken Ross
True, but I think with 4K that could change significantly. Once people become attuned to the size requirements for full enjoyment of 4K, you might see an upward shift in size consumption. Would it be a very significant slice of the 4K pie? Probably not, but it might be sufficient to make it a worthwhile production choice.
So, honestly, the idea that 4K is going to motivate people who weren't already going to buy giant TV to go buy giant TVs so they can maximally enjoy 4K strikes me as TV mfr. wishful thinking, not reality. It's possible that what you note will occur: Enough demand starts materializing to make more niche-y products viable. Right now, you can only justify a few niche products total because the total size of the niche is tiny. When the niche is 1 million units, you get more SKUs than when the niche is 350,000 units, for example.
I think an 75"-85" P series offering would be very interesting. However, as you say, if these panels are not commodity items at this point, then this all moot.
Right, so someday. And perhaps that's not terribly far in the future.
No, I'm aware of that, my wording could have been better. My comparison was directed to how the limited number of zones in the P series might compare to a well-executed edge lit design by Samsung. One might dismiss, perhaps unwisely, an edge lit display in comparison to a "FA" panel with a limited number of zones. Some of Samsung's edge lit designs are really well-executed IMO. Some reviews have gone so far as to say they almost appear as good as some FALD panels. Obviously not quite as good, but quite nice and largely free of the artifacts we typically associate with edge lit designs. IMO Samsung has more of an issue with viewing angle than edge lit design effectiveness.
I see. I find Samsung QC to be mostly dismal. I have a tough time recommending videophiles buy anything they might want to return. If that changes, people at the forum should let me know. Edge-lit is far more likely to have QC issues.
Originally Posted by tubby497
I think it's going be higher. 60" Sharp Elite was $6000 when it first came out. Vizio's bigger and have better specs.
The Sharp sold basically zero units and was discontinued inside of one year. Why would Vizio repeat this error?
Originally Posted by fafrd
40,000 yuan is about $6600, so 4 times that price means about $27,000. He's appears to be saying that the price needs to be at least that much, but it certainly hints at a price below $30,000 for the 120" Reference Series (which would
certainly be shocking!)
So acknowledging the limits of Google Translate, I read this the same way. It seems to me the implications were that the retail price might be targeted at $29,999. Maybe that's wishful thinking?!? Maybe that's really what's supposed to happen. If the latter, well, that's just flat out fantastic.
I tested out my pricing thought experiment on some folks Friday. I now believe that the "anyone with room for one that actually wants one
would buy one if.... " number for a 120-inch TV is around $8000. So I do think $15000 starts to get super interesting. At $30,000, most people -- even those that wanted one -- would say, "that's crazy money for a TV." But it seems to me that first year sales would be likely to be big because you basically cannot buy anything like that now. And $30K would not deter anyone who needs
such a thing. And while "need" is an extreme word, there are a lot of commercial/semi-commercial applications for a panel like that.
Anyway, I find this potentially very, very exciting. Again, fundamentally, this product does cost
only 4-5x what you pay for a 60-inch TV (it's closer to 5 given yields and logistics costs). But also remember, that means $5,000 is within reach someday!
Vizio might get us there before the end of the decade.
p.s. and if true, would probably mean that the 65" Reference Series is almost certain to be priced well below $6000...