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post #751 of 771
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Originally Posted by mzs22 View Post

Happened again today,reset my router, and unplugged the machine and was able to get on netflix but when I tried amazon I got the "network error message" and could not get back on anything again.When I tried crackle I got the ssl alarm message but with other apps, "a network error has occurred".
According to a moderator on the Sony forum "We've forwarded this issue to our engineering team". Maybe it will get fixed.
post #752 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

For BD, that's down to Java on individual titles. That's a problem I have as well, as it's a well-known BD issue.

DVD is quite stable for this issue as I've never had a resume point problem with that format.

It wasn't remembering for all non-Java BDs and DVDs. Java BDs that support bookmarks however can be resumed no problem.

I figured out how the S6200's resuming works for non-Java BDs and DVDs. If you open the disc tray, it clears the resume point. As long as you leave the disc in the player though it will remember the resume point. You can even power off the player and it will still remember it when it's powered on again. I'm assuming the other 2014 models are all like this?

I don't understand why Sony designed it so resuming only works for the current disc in the player, excluding Java BDs with bookmarks. You should be able to remove the disc and it should also be able to track resume points for X number of discs like a lot of other BD and DVD players can. That should be a basic feature for every player IMO. It's extremely stupid not to have it, especially for a "flagship" model.
post #753 of 771
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It wasn't remembering for all non-Java BDs and DVDs. Java BDs that support bookmarks however can be resumed no problem.

I figured out how the S6200's resuming works for non-Java BDs and DVDs. If you open the disc tray, it clears the resume point. As long as you leave the disc in the player though it will remember the resume point. You can even power off the player and it will still remember it when it's powered on again. I'm assuming the other 2014 models are all like this?

I don't understand why Sony designed it so resuming only works for the current disc in the player, excluding Java BDs with bookmarks. You should be able to remove the disc and it should also be able to track resume points for X number of discs like a lot of other BD and DVD players can. That should be a basic feature for every player IMO. It's extremely stupid not to have it, especially for a "flagship" model.
It is hard to design something that pleases everyone...as I couldn't care less about resume; I don't watch movies in parts. If they put everything that people wanted into a player it would up the price...making people complain it is too expensive.
Edited by Nickff - 4/12/14 at 8:24am
post #754 of 771
In the old days the Sony DVD players remembered 50 or 100 discs. So you could put it back in and it would resume.

They went backwards with the BD players.
Edited by aaronwt - 4/12/14 at 8:19am
post #755 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

For BD, that's down to Java on individual titles. That's a problem I have as well, as it's a well-known BD issue.

DVD is quite stable for this issue as I've never had a resume point problem with that format.

It wasn't remembering for all non-Java BDs and DVDs. Java BDs that support bookmarks however can be resumed no problem.

I figured out how the S6200's resuming works for non-Java BDs and DVDs. If you open the disc tray, it clears the resume point. As long as you leave the disc in the player though it will remember the resume point. You can even power off the player and it will still remember it when it's powered on again. I'm assuming the other 2014 models are all like this?

I don't understand why Sony designed it so resuming only works for the current disc in the player, excluding Java BDs with bookmarks. You should be able to remove the disc and it should also be able to track resume points for X number of discs like a lot of other BD and DVD players can. That should be a basic feature for every player IMO. It's extremely stupid not to have it, especially for a "flagship" model.

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

In the old days the Sony DVD players remembered 50 or 100 discs. So you could put it back in and it would resume.

They went backwards with the BD players.

Frankly, I never play DVD on my S790 as I have a separate, multi-region Pioneer DV610 from 2008, up-scaled to 1080P by Denon AVR-3313 for that purpose. I've never had a problem with the resume functionality of that machine.

FWIW, it's only the one-off, exceptional film that gets viewed in one sitting. Most titles these days are quite boring plus my time for viewing film is limited, therefore I view them in multiple sittings. That's why I value the resume function highly.
post #756 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


Frankly, I never play DVD on my S790 as I have a separate, multi-region Pioneer DV610 from 2008, up-scaled to 1080P by Denon AVR-3313 for that purpose. I've never had a problem with the resume functionality of that machine.

FWIW, it's only the one-off, exceptional film that gets viewed in one sitting. Most titles these days are quite boring plus my time for viewing film is limited, therefore I view them in multiple sittings. That's why I value the resume function highly.

I used the resume function alot in the late 90's with my SOny DVD players. BAck in the 90's I had SOny electronics for almost everything. Now it doesn't bother me too much because the discs I own I typically view the BD ISOs from my server on my media players. And those remember my last viewing location and will play back from that spot or give me the option to start from the beginning. Although because of 3D I have watched more discs during the last 15 months than I had during the three years prior.
post #757 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


Frankly, I never play DVD on my S790 as I have a separate, multi-region Pioneer DV610 from 2008, up-scaled to 1080P by Denon AVR-3313 for that purpose. I've never had a problem with the resume functionality of that machine.

FWIW, it's only the one-off, exceptional film that gets viewed in one sitting. Most titles these days are quite boring plus my time for viewing film is limited, therefore I view them in multiple sittings. That's why I value the resume function highly.

I used the resume function alot in the late 90's with my SOny DVD players. BAck in the 90's I had SOny electronics for almost everything. Now it doesn't bother me too much because the discs I own I typically view the BD ISOs from my server on my media players. And those remember my last viewing location and will play back from that spot or give me the option to start from the beginning. Although because of 3D I have watched more discs during the last 15 months than I had during the three years prior.

Integrating music server via NAS is a viable option and one I'm considering.

However, the one irritating inconvenience of the Pioneer is lack of 24 FPS* DVD compatibility which the S790 has. For that reason, my new BDP-S7200 must have full (BD/DVD) multi-region capability. That's a complication, but if any place will offer this sooner than most, it's here:
http://www.mrmdvd.com/catalog/index.php

... and maybe it will have resume functionality for DVD, as well. I can only hope it will. wink.gif

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Edited by Iain- - 4/14/14 at 8:43am
post #758 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Integrating music server via NAS is a viable option and one I'm considering.

However, the one irritating inconvenience of the Pioneer is lack of 24 FPS* DVD compatibility which the S790 has. For that reason, my new BDP-S7200 must have full (BD/DVD) multi-region capability. That's a complication, but if any place will offer this sooner than most, it's here:
http://www.mrmdvd.com/catalog/index.php

... and maybe it will have resume functionality for DVD, as well. I can only hope it will. wink.gif

EDIT: *

I think you may find DVD 24fps playback more trouble than it's worth.
post #759 of 771
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Integrating music server via NAS is a viable option and one I'm considering.

However, the one irritating inconvenience of the Pioneer is lack of 24 FPS* DVD compatibility which the S790 has. For that reason, my new BDP-S7200 must have full (BD/DVD) multi-region capability. That's a complication, but if any place will offer this sooner than most, it's here:
http://www.mrmdvd.com/catalog/index.php

... and maybe it will have resume functionality for DVD, as well. I can only hope it will. wink.gif

EDIT: *

I think you may find DVD 24fps playback more trouble than it's worth.

Why is that?

Shouldn't be any more of an issue than playing BD (1080/24P) in 'original resolution' configuration, as my GT50 display will double that frame rate to 48 hz.
post #760 of 771
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Originally Posted by wonkycows View Post

I haven't compared the two models you speak of, but the s5200 is this years model and the 5100 is last years. I'd buy the latest tech if i were you. I don't believe there's a reason to buy the older model unless it was significantely cheaper.

 

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The S5200 did a way with the display and did away with one of the USB ports. So there is only a front USB port. So the USB stick you need for BD live would need to be in the front. This is the reason I went with the S6200. That seemed likemore of a successor to the S5100. The S5200 also has the newest apps. So if you can get the S5200 for less the the S5100. I would say that is your best bet. Unless the one USB port or no display is a deal killer.

 

Went in to the local electronics store today and noticed that the s5200 is much much smaller then the s5100. Can they really fit the same quality of technology when the new model is so compressed?

post #761 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Why is that?

Shouldn't be any more of an issue than playing BD (1080/24P) in 'original resolution' configuration, as my GT50 display will double that frame rate to 48 hz.

Because DVD format natively only support 480i. There is no 24p support. A 24p film must use 3:2 telecine to fit into the DVD stream. There are couple of different ways to do it but many DVDs are known to do it incorrectly. The result is that the less intelligent de-interlacer can trip over and produce significant artifacts. By less intelligent, I mean 99% of the DVD de-interlacer out there because the good ones are really $$ expensive.

BD supports 24p natively. So there is no de-interlacing requirement.
post #762 of 771
There isnt much in them. The drive is a small portion, then the board and chip are small. A lot of the 5100 was empty space...
post #763 of 771
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

There isnt much in them. The drive is a small portion, then the board and chip are small. A lot of the 5100 was empty space...

Yes. It needs to be wider because of the extra width the display uses..
post #764 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Why is that?

Shouldn't be any more of an issue than playing BD (1080/24P) in 'original resolution' configuration, as my GT50 display will double that frame rate to 48 hz.

Because DVD format natively only support 480i. There is no 24p support. A 24p film must use 3:2 telecine to fit into the DVD stream. There are couple of different ways to do it but many DVDs are known to do it incorrectly. The result is that the less intelligent de-interlacer can trip over and produce significant artifacts. By less intelligent, I mean 99% of the DVD de-interlacer out there because the good ones are really $$ expensive.

BD supports 24p natively. So there is no de-interlacing requirement.

Thanks for the information.

This now opens up an opportunity to use the second HDMI output of S790/S7200. Since my AVR-3313 is excellent at de-interlacing and up-scaling of SD video, I'll use one output for BD and the other output for DVD (576/24i). It's simply a matter of reprogramming Harmony One remote for this.

That will work great. biggrin.gif
post #765 of 771
You can setup the player to output source format signals directly (that's what I did on my 5100) so that there is really no need for two HDMI ports.
post #766 of 771
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Why is that?

Shouldn't be any more of an issue than playing BD (1080/24P) in 'original resolution' configuration, as my GT50 display will double that frame rate to 48 hz.

Because DVD format natively only support 480i. There is no 24p support. A 24p film must use 3:2 telecine to fit into the DVD stream. There are couple of different ways to do it but many DVDs are known to do it incorrectly. The result is that the less intelligent de-interlacer can trip over and produce significant artifacts. By less intelligent, I mean 99% of the DVD de-interlacer out there because the good ones are really $$ expensive.

BD supports 24p natively. So there is no de-interlacing requirement.

Thanks for the information.

This now opens up an opportunity to use the second HDMI output of S790/S7200. Since my AVR-3313 is excellent at de-interlacing and up-scaling of SD video, I'll use one output for BD and the other output for DVD (576/24i). It's simply a matter of reprogramming Harmony One remote for this.

That will work great. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

You can setup the player to output source format signals directly (that's what I did on my 5100) so that there is really no need for two HDMI ports.

I know, but AVR inputs are configured independently for BD direct pass-through and then another port for DVD de-interlace/up-scaling. That's why I need two BDP output ports for this as I plan to replace S790/DV-610 duo with one BDP-S7200.
post #767 of 771
Thread Starter 
I've got a Denon 4311 and the upscaling and de-interlacing capabilities are pretty awful.
post #768 of 771
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


I know, but AVR inputs are configured independently for BD direct pass-through and then another port for DVD de-interlace/up-scaling. That's why I need two BDP output ports for this as I plan to replace S790/DV-610 duo with one BDP-S7200.

Back panel photo on sony.co.uk shows only 1 HDMI connector on BDP-S7200. Is there anywhere that says the 7200 has 2 HDMI connectors?
John
post #769 of 771
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I've got a Denon 4311 and the upscaling and de-interlacing capabilities are pretty awful.

I used to have AVR-3310 and video processing was was probably just as bad with the Anchor Bay processors in use at the time. However, Denon significantly upgraded multiple functionalities of AVR-3313 in 2012. You should upgrade as current machines are much better now. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


I know, but AVR inputs are configured independently for BD direct pass-through and then another port for DVD de-interlace/up-scaling. That's why I need two BDP output ports for this as I plan to replace S790/DV-610 duo with one BDP-S7200.

Back panel photo on sony.co.uk shows only 1 HDMI connector on BDP-S7200. Is there anywhere that says the 7200 has 2 HDMI connectors?
John

I'm waiting for Sony to release a downloadable user manual for S7200 as that will contain the definitive answer. I never trust web site documentation of any OEM. It's too inconsistent.
post #770 of 771
Connected via wireless? I had similar "problems" with network even tho the s6200's firmware got updated easily. The s6200 is connected via cat5e to a wifi extender (different room); the yamaha didn't have any problem with either netflix or youtube. Got the SSL problem with youtube & "connection problems" with other selections.

I'm OK now. The problem was the netgear extender which somehow died on the day I got the s6200 as I wasn't able to connect directly to the router with my laptop; had thought the laptop ethernet & wifi was dead. The extender most likely was interfering with the laptop's wifi at 2.4 ghz.

Anyway, dumped the wifi extender, retrieved my 5-port gigabit switch & the long cat5e that wraps around the door/wall & connected everything again via the switch. Only been a couple of hours, but the laptop connects to my router again (netgear r6300v2); netflix works as it should & may like the new ui; youtube works with the new ui.

Not going back to a wifi extender as the cat5e isn't noticeable except where it wraps around the door & wall; don't know what bridge/extender is a good one.

Interesting that I didn't get the bitrate when looking at the netflix episodes or youtube; did see the bitrate displayed when viewing a movie. I like the s6200 for the dual core & able to play my mp4 files again; the s590 did play them at one time but a firmware update killed it; had to do multiple conversions of mp4 & mkv to get the s590 to play & learning that mp4 & mkv are just "standard" names but the contents of the video & audio formsts can vary widely. Also learned to ignore statements like "cannot" play mp4, etc without detailed info of the files.
post #771 of 771
Have to retract my statement that implied a wifi problem with the s6200 regarding the network errors. Got the same problem with a wired connection. Switched to using the yamaha & worked normal; switch back to sony which somehow became normal again after around 25 min.

Also the youtube signon wasn't saved with the new interface; to get my subscriptions will have to signon with the computer each time & enter the code? Who the h..l wrote both the ui to netflix & youtube? Very sloppy & hope sony gets it done right soon or at least working correctly as it is a major problem.
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