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post #451 of 1234
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Originally Posted by VidPro View Post

So how much cash are we looking at to get started in calibrating a unit? Software and equipment?

440$

i use this bundle
http://www.chromapure.com/products-d3.asp

if you get chroma pure and also activate the ISF profiles i can help.
you will have a picture that is out of this world when you are done.
post #452 of 1234
This unit here?

http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-EODIS3-i1Display-Pro/dp/B0055MBQOW/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392054915&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=i1Pro+Spectrometer
post #453 of 1234
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

use color temp 3 for ISF Day
adjust RGB high/low from the RGB values you just mention in the service menu under PANEL -2 ADJ
it can't be with brightness at +1

also what are your voltages at now?

make sure you have a clean 100% white field without misfires.
raise VOL SUS until they are gone.


I have brightness at +1 otherwise i dont see the flashing bars down to 17 on the test pattern. I tried it all the way to -4 and it made no difference on a black screen just off the chart on the test pattern.

sus 165
offset 068
rst p 018
xpofs1 105
xpofs2 063
fs1d 100
fs3d 096
fs4d 143
fsad 160



On a 100% white screen i had sus down to 55 before i had cyan misfires, no magenta. But as soon as i put on any kinda of show it turns into a magenta trailing mess
post #454 of 1234
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yes but i have the OEM version
it can only be used with chroma pure
post #455 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sledhead1 View Post

I have brightness at +1 otherwise i dont see the flashing bars down to 17 on the test pattern. I tried it all the way to -4 and it made no difference on a black screen just off the chart on the test pattern.

sus 165
offset 068
rst p 018
xpofs1 105
xpofs2 063
fs1d 100
fs3d 096
fs4d 143
fsad 160



On a 100% white screen i had sus down to 55 before i had cyan misfires, no magenta. But as soon as i put on any kinda of show it turns into a magenta trailing mess

flashing down to bar 20 is enough
for an example
using bars up to 17 flashing will get the pioneer kuro experience demo washed out.
not all content is optimal with that.
its better to have them flash to 20 to be safe for all content.

that was the highest fsad i have ever seen
why do you use fsad at 160 ?
post #456 of 1234
to try and stop the magenta trails in movies
post #457 of 1234

I followed this guide with pretty good results and played around with SM settings for several weeks, and always felt picture could still be bettered. (LX5090H - 4k hours)

 

I found out I had magenta misfires on MKSS23 white mask, and the main 3 things that helped get them away at this time were : 

 

- raise VOL SUS (could not remove them completely)

- raise YKNOFSAD

- raise YKNOFS4D

 

Raise YKNOFSAD had blacks getting worse, raise YKNOFS4D alone was better, but got sometimes green misfires near black.

 

For me the YKNOFS settings were in a good place at their defaults values, but I wanted to get rid of these magenta misfires.

 

What I tried (and I'm very happy I did) was to follow perfectly the procedure described in the service manual after the panel replacement.

 

Did this part : 

 

[PAV S00] : To set panel drive mode to Factory
[VFQ S03] : To set Drive Sequence to Video 60-Hz
[SQM S01] : To set Drive Sequence to Video
[WBI S01] : To temporarily reset the Panel WB adjustment value to default (WBI S00 cancels this setting.)
[PGR S00] : To set the gamma R value to that for Factory mode
[PGG S00] : To set the gamma G value to that for Factory mode
[PGB S00] : To set the gamma B value to that for Factory mode
[DIZ S03] : Dither ON, L dither ON, noise OFF.
[$1800000001] : LUT mode ON

 

Did the whole flowchart even recovery ones, and what I discovered, is that the values that got me no misfires at all anywhere, were the stock values (except VOLSUS at 140+). Even the MKSS23 mask that gave me these magenta misfires at stock values, they were gone completely !!

Don't know what did this, I did several resets before, and the picture was nowhere like it is now, just stunning.

 

Maybe the commands listed above did something (especially factory mode ones ?).

 

I didn't even try the ISF settings since, using d-nice's movie settings for the 111FD and very happy with it.

post #458 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sledhead1 View Post

to try and stop the magenta trails in movies

you need to ask Stu03 about this
i have never seen it.

did you have the trails before the reset?
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 10:46am
post #459 of 1234
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Originally Posted by lnarbi View Post

What I tried (and I'm very happy I did) was to follow perfectly the procedure described in the service manual after the panel replacement.

interesting!
i need to check it out what it does on mine.

but it sounds strange that it should change any settings
it looks more like a workflow to test out the voltages

ihave the same model as you
LX5090
post #460 of 1234
On color mode 3 i have both 60 and 100 showing 7000k
on color mode 6 its like 6443, i had the contrast too high at 40-38
Its at 35 now= 42fL
post #461 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sledhead1 View Post

On color mode 3 i have both 60 and 100 showing 7000k
on color mode 6 its like 6443, i had the contrast too high at 40-38
Its at 35 now= 42fL

what ISF mode are you calibrating?
for ISF day you must use color mode 3 to max out the light output with contrast around 43

color mode 6 is for ISF night around 120cd/m2
contrast around 28
post #462 of 1234
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

what ISF mode are you calibrating?
for ISF day you must use color mode 3 to max out the light output with contrast around 43

Yep, isf day. Gamma looks like 2.22 right now as .


Do you think i have other problems with my voltages??
post #463 of 1234
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Do you think i have other problems with my voltages??

did you have the trails before the reset?
post #464 of 1234
No, just light reddish blacks before the reset.

They seam to appear where i have dark spot now after the reset. Its the bottom bar from the service menu i think. It wasnt there before. You cant see it otherwise in a show, only on 100 black and and 100 white fields. The dark bar. The magenta comes from it.

The reason i say the service menu is its the only thing i can think of that i watch that has a bar there.
Edited by sledhead1 - 2/10/14 at 11:30am
post #465 of 1234
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No, just light reddish blacks before the reset.

They seam to appear where i have dark spot now after the reset. Its the bottom bar from the service menu i think. It wasnt there before. You cant see it otherwise in a show, only on 100 black and and 100 white fields. The dark bar. The magenta comes from it.

The reason i say the service menu is its the only thing i can think of that i watch that has a bar there.

your voltages are in the limits so no problem there.
the only values i can think of is to lower YKNOFS1D
and put back YKNOFSA D to 128.

one more user with strange sick crazy problems and i take this guide down once and for all!
its to risky.
works great for some and trashes the tv for others.
buying a ticket and winning is more likely.

i just need to know whats going on and why some gets crazy results after the reset and some not.
more information about this must be collected.
there are no information about this variation right now.
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 12:52pm
post #466 of 1234
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Guide down.
post #467 of 1234
Those are the 2 that helped get rid of the magenta. sus seams to have no effect
post #468 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sledhead1 View Post

Those are the 2 that helped get rid of the magenta. sus seams to have no effect

the guide will be up again if you solve your problems.
if not it stays down and the thread can be deleted.

can you take pictures of the problems?
post #469 of 1234
Sorry but it will be not till Thursday night. I have to leave town for work. The tv looks good right now at these voltages. I will work on it more when i get back. Just hope im not doing any more damage. The wife will be using it while im gone.
post #470 of 1234
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Originally Posted by lnarbi View Post

and what I discovered, is that the values that got me no misfires at all anywhere, were the stock values (except VOLSUS at 140+).

it can be so simple so it was the higher YKNOFS1 that did it for you.
all other values are close to stock even before the reset.
S1 is the one that you lower most.

i dont think this workflow changed any setting.

Edit: i didnt read it all i see
so you are saying that with the same stock values that you had before,you got rid of the misfires just to follow this workflow?

i need to look at this..
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 2:02pm
post #471 of 1234
Ice. You have done good things man. We all want a one simple answer to fix blacks. Just not the case. :/. I still think the guide is valuable. I plan to have a 5020 as a guinea pig soon. Don't give up man. smile.gif
post #472 of 1234
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Sorry but it will be not till Thursday night. I have to leave town for work. The tv looks good right now at these voltages. I will work on it more when i get back. Just hope im not doing any more damage. The wife will be using it while im gone.

just play around with VOL SUS /S1/SAD and see if it solves the problem.
its crazy that you get these problems just reseting the counters.

it can be that you have some hard uneven wear out on the panel i dont know.
how the hell should anyone know that before they do the reset smile.gif?

the meters must be doing something more to the degradation of the panel that we dont know about.
they are hiding wear out problems.
reseting them brings back the problems that they should hide.

ShockFett: its to risky i can see it now haha

congrats to the ones that it worked for!
for the rest...its just to bad that you got even more problems.

i give up because i dont have time trying to solve problems that should not be there.
thats why.

The easiest and safest way for ALL to lower the blacks and get rid of the red tint right now is just to lower YKNOFSA D
that way doesnt bring back any weird problems.
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 1:28pm
post #473 of 1234
Ah i know what that bar probably is now, my wife uses Slacker radio that has a bar there, so yes that is where the wear came from. I told her to shut the tv off to listen to it.lol
post #474 of 1234
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Ah i know what that bar probably is now, my wife uses Slacker radio that has a bar there, so yes that is where the wear came from. I told her to shut the tv off to listen to it.lol

LOL
stay out of slacker radio! wink.gif

i still need to know why you and others dont see some problems before the reset and get them after.
there must be some way to check if your panel has some uneven wear out before doing a reset.
post #475 of 1234
I also notice that when im in the service menu its a different picture mode and when i go into the panel -1 its different yet again. The color and brightness change
post #476 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sledhead1 View Post

I also notice that when im in the service menu its a different picture mode and when i go into the panel -1 its different yet again. The color and brightness change

normal
post #477 of 1234
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

normal

I still wish I knew why it changes though. I been trying. To figure that out.
post #478 of 1234

SM defeats greyscale and color adjustments, switches to color space 1, turns on DRE and ACL, if I recall, read it somewhere here.

post #479 of 1234
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inarbi: did you do adjustments to all voltages from the flowcharts starting with VOL OFFSET?

i also wonder if this is a hex value or if you just type it as it says?
$1800000001

if this works it should be the only right way to find the perfect voltages again after the dangerous reset smile.gif

one more thing:
did you write "WBI S00" to get back to your old WB settings after or did you leave it with the reseted values?
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Originally Posted by lnarbi View Post

Maybe the commands listed above did something (especially factory mode ones ?).

the factory modes just reseted your gamma settings
i dont know if you can bring up misfires if your gamma is set way off?
but as you got rid of the misfires with the default gamma settings it can be so.
if it wasnt your WB settings?

i cant see why the other commands that you typed should do something to the misfires?
or what do you think?

more questions:
what is LUT mode?
you turned it on but why doesnt it say how you turn it off?
or does it change to off when you exit SM?
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 2:55pm
post #480 of 1234
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inarbi:
i got it

"In the "PANEL-1ADJ" layer, the Panel White Balance value is reset to default, Panel Gamma is set to Straight, Noise is set to
OFF, LUT mode is set to ON and Reset active control is set to OFF
If adjustment is performed using RS232C commands, unlike the case of Factory menu operation, adjustments are not
interlocked. Therefore, settings must be performed individually, by issuing commands. (See the section on preparations before
adjustment.)"

what you did was just to get the same mode as from the PANEL-1ADJ layer
that way you could get the same results when sending rs232 commands outside the PANEL-1ADJ layer.

if i adjust the voltages inside PANEL-1ADJ layer with the masks on it will be the same as those commands you typed.

so the question is:
why did you get rid of the misfires?
those commands you typed was just temporary.

could it be that you changed the drive mode to video?
[SQM S01] : To set Drive Sequence to Video
this one is the only one thats not in the list

Do a test and change it to "FILM sequence setting"
SQMS03

did that bring back the misfires?

also test the "PC sequence setting"
SQMS02

can you also write "QPW" and post all numbers here

im starting to think that you used the "PC sequence setting" before all this
Edited by pg_ice - 2/10/14 at 3:59pm
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