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post #121 of 155
I was referring to the Visions warranty in Canada.........if I don't have any claims.......I get a credit for the warranty amount....and must spend double the amount........It can't be used for negotiated prices..........but can be used for items that are on sale at a discount and in their flyer.

Visions always has lots of stuff I could use such a credit for..........better than loosing the full amount like at Future Shop or Worst Buy etc.
post #122 of 155
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Chances are in your favor? If that were true, these warranty companies wouldn't be in business. I haven't heard of any outfits that make renewable warranties.
They are out there although some states may have different laws on them. I believe that Square Trade offers one, the one I bought is renewable. I'd say where but you know this being the internet and all. You just have to look around. Also, it's the law of averages, if too many people file claims they'll raise the price and I don't want my policy to increase in price the next time around.
post #123 of 155
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Originally Posted by housequestion View Post

History is irrelevant in this case as your post is a non sequitur.

Lok sure. Then how about we start talking about recent Panasonic jackery? I can start listing all the legal disputes they have lost recently if you like?
Take off your rose colored glasses. Panasonic is no beter or worse than Samsung when it comes to corporate skull Duggery and shady dealings.

Feel free to support a company that lied about its sets for 3 years straight and did nothing to make those lies right with its customers they screwed over with bad sets right from the factory.
post #124 of 155
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

The Panasonic insider himself at the competing forum disagrees.

Disagrees in what way? It doesnt match or it does match?
post #125 of 155
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

To even get close to plasma quality you would need a LED with FALD, they are in the horizon for next year from Sony. They will cost about 3-4 times more than a VT60 or ZT60.

I read somewhere that Crystal LED that sony was working on ( Which was very very promising btw. I had the brigthness of an LCD but viewing angles of a plasma ) was dropped in favor of OLED which appeared to be more promising...
post #126 of 155
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

Disagrees in what way? It doesnt match or it does match?
No match.
post #127 of 155
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Lok sure. Then how about we start talking about recent Panasonic jackery? I can start listing all the legal disputes they have lost recently if you like?

Yes, for the sake of transparency, please list all the legal disputes they've lost, and please provide links.
post #128 of 155
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Lok sure. Then how about we start talking about recent Panasonic jackery? I can start listing all the legal disputes they have lost recently if you like?
Take off your rose colored glasses. Panasonic is no beter or worse than Samsung when it comes to corporate skull Duggery and shady dealings.

Yet another pathetic non-sequiter.
post #129 of 155
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Originally Posted by MediaFan63 View Post

That's why I always buy the warranty. Chances are in your favour today that you'll eventually get your money back. In the mean time the products are getting better for a better price. Try to buy a warranty that you can renew if possible.

No, sorry, you buy warranties because of emotion. When you look at it rationally, the net present cost of the warranties really aren't in your favor. What you're doing is what most people do when they make emotional decisions. Try to use some veiled logic to try to justify your emotional decision. For AV devices that have no real moving parts, the pricing of most warranties really is not in your favor.

Basically, your point sounds as intelligent as those people who claim that they go to Vegas and win every time. Were that the case, casinos wouldn't exist and in the case of warranties, if you most often got your money back then those companies wouldn't be around.
post #130 of 155
I personally believe Samsung is waiting to see how sales are once the fire sale at panasonic is over before they commit.
Another 6 months of OLED development to see if they can get prices down too.
Do these manufacturers even display the low end models they sell at Walmart at CES?
post #131 of 155
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

I personally believe Samsung is waiting to see how sales are once the fire sale at panasonic is over before they commit.


That makes sense.

If they do keep plasma around, it'll be interesting to see how they price it.
post #132 of 155
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Originally Posted by housequestion View Post

No, sorry, you buy warranties because of emotion. When you look at it rationally, the net present cost of the warranties really aren't in your favor. What you're doing is what most people do when they make emotional decisions. Try to use some veiled logic to try to justify your emotional decision. For AV devices that have no real moving parts, the pricing of most warranties really is not in your favor.

Basically, your point sounds as intelligent as those people who claim that they go to Vegas and win every time. Were that the case, casinos wouldn't exist and in the case of warranties, if you most often got your money back then those companies wouldn't be around.
Hmmm I just got all my money back on a croaked Sony Dvd recorder a few months ago that had a warranty which I used to buy a new Samsung plasma Tv. Previous to that I got my money back on two other Sony Dvd recorders and two Panasonic Dvd Recorders, so you could say I really rented them for about $29 to $60 for three years. That's reason enough for me. You can do what you're emotion tells you to do. Lol
Edited by MediaFan63 - 1/20/14 at 10:11am
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post #134 of 155
Thanks for the info.
post #135 of 155

Whoa, what is this?!
post #136 of 155
It doesn't appear to be the no frills F8500 model that was talked about. Hopefully it is still in the works.
post #137 of 155
2 HDMI, no 3D, no smart hub. Could it be the new F5300?
post #138 of 155
Has to be a low end/budget model. But hopefully it is a new product altogether.
post #139 of 155
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Has to be a low end/budget model. But hopefully it is a new product altogether.


Low end unit...

http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/238127/72

I think what some are looking for would be the H7000
post #140 of 155
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Low end unit...

http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/238127/72

I think what some are looking for would be the H7000

If the H7000 improves on the PQ of the 8500, I'm sold. But it's not clear if Samsung is just re-wrapping the 8500 in a different bezel with fewer bells and whistles.
post #141 of 155
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

If the H7000 improves on the PQ of the 8500, I'm sold. But it's not clear if Samsung is just re-wrapping the 8500 in a different bezel with fewer bells and whistles.

My understanding from what I read, is the H7000 would be the same without the bells and whistles, which I have no interest in. If they fix some of the bugs, I'd be happy.
post #142 of 155
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

My understanding from what I read, is the H7000 would be the same without the bells and whistles, which I have no interest in. If they fix some of the bugs, I'd be happy.

What "major" bugs need to be resolved?

I agree with your assertion, per Samsung's announcement regarding future PDPs at CES 2014 the H7000 appears to be basically the same panel as the F8500 less "the bells and whistles."

I'm almost ready to buy a 51F8500, but my main concern is there an audible buzz generated by the 51" displays?
post #143 of 155
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Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post

What "major" bugs need to be resolved?

I agree with your assertion, per Samsung's announcement regarding future PDPs at CES 2014 the H7000 appears to be basically the same panel as the F8500 less "the bells and whistles."

I'm almost ready to buy a 51F8500, but my main concern is there an audible buzz generated by the 51" displays?
where in my post did I classify the bugs as "major"?
post #144 of 155
my question is how is that already 700 dollars off?

seems like one of those special stripped down models made exclusively for one store to avoid price matching. that way they can also claim any MSRP they want, since it's not like the tv will be sold anywhere else to compare to
post #145 of 155
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

my question is how is that already 700 dollars off?

seems like one of those special stripped down models made exclusively for one store to avoid price matching. that way they can also claim any MSRP they want, since it's not like the tv will be sold anywhere else to compare to

I'm guessing there is a formula involving MSRP. If you check the MSRP of the H5000, it's $2099, and it's actually sold at $1399. If you check 64 inch F5300, it's MSRP is $2199, and it's actual sale price is exactly $100 over the H7000.
post #146 of 155
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

where in my post did I classify the bugs as "major"?

Sorry you didn't. Since every FP HDTV has at least one shortcoming I surmised a significant issue (e.g. panel buzz or fan refrigerator noise) is what kept you from buying an F8500 PDP. I suppose the term "major bugs" did not convey what I meant.

So what bugs associated w/the F8500 are of concern to you?
post #147 of 155

Excessive heat in the first models? Brite but hot?

post #148 of 155
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Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post

Sorry you didn't. Since every FP HDTV has at least one shortcoming I surmised a significant issue (e.g. panel buzz or fan refrigerator noise) is what kept you from buying an F8500 PDP. I suppose the term "major bugs" did not convey what I meant.

So what bugs associated w/the F8500 are of concern to you?

Price has kept me from buying so far. The bug I'd like to see fixed is the CS bug.
post #149 of 155
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/238127/72

This is good news and what I was hoping for. I'm not surprised Samsung has seen an increase in plasma sales since Panasonic left either. There is still a significant, albeit relatively small (about 5%), part of the market that wants plasma (or perhaps more specifically doesn't want LCD/LED), and will so long as OLED is 'unperfected' and much more expensive, which will likely be the case for at least couple more years. Samsung is smart to stay in the game, IMO. I can only hope they continue to make incremental improvements each year as long as they are in the game.
post #150 of 155

Considering that LG has no power supply issues unlike Samsung, and if they can catch up; that would be the only thing giving Samsung incentive to continue making plasmas.

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