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post #31 of 118
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Since I'm in one of those homes with a media 'niche', the side passive radiators make me pause. My speakers have to work well next to a side wall, it's just the way it is. I'm not sure these would work well, even with the radiators pointed towards the center, would they? The niche is about 8' wide and there's a big Sony 65" xbr 850a 4k TV panel centered in the niche. Hmmmm…maybe an in-home audition is in order. cool.gif


Yes I definitely believe an in home audition is in order. I have the TWOS as well, as well as an AON 2 as a center and the supersat 3s as surrounds in my theater. And I must tell you..the sound is great. And the good thing about the the GEs is that have sub dials on the back so if placement to sidewalls is an issue for you. Then you can just dial da sub portion back to ther lowest point. What is your rooms standing wave if you know? Bass reinforcement can be very problematic and over blown in small/med. rooms However I love the flexibility that the TWOs allow they also recommend you toe them in so a direct reflection shouldn't be a problem along with a lower dial on the sub portion.
post #32 of 118
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I try and listen to female vocals singing in the lower octave when evaluating speakers that's where I heard the boxiness

Hey Tony, I hear your dismay... but im sorry I have to assume it was the set up and associated gear that you was listening to. To say the GEs aren't palpable speakers or sounded "boxy and vague" especially when countless professional reviewers also raved about their awesome sonic performance biggrin.gif. Is definitely surprising to hear. I love my speakers from GE I even have an old bob carver tube amp which only puts out 35 watts/channel that I use for my music listening and that "being there" quality rings super true when im listening to Norah Jones SACD through my Cambridge audio 651 Blu-ray player. Or spinning MJ (yes the king of pop) on my project turntable. Even my kids ..ages 13 10 and 7..(and they are not of the HEADPHONE -wearing-all-day society) got fooled and actually thought I had Norah Jones playing downstairs in my listening room. And NO I don't even own a piano...lol Anyway I hope you do get a 2nd chance at hearing these or any of GEs speakers properly set up with a efficient gear. If not I can always book you a ticket to NYC to come and hear my system in m home. I promise you'll leave a changed man. NO HOMO wink.gif
post #33 of 118
I'm going to jump in with several points.

1800 watts is max current for a 15 amp circuit give or take a little for varying line voltage, or 2400 for a 20 amp circuit. But the nominal design load is 80% of a typical circuit. There are reasons for that and one of them is to avoid mini brown outs on a given circuit. It's more likely with circuit breakers with their slower trip times than fuses. Speaking of which, Mike do you have fuses? Do you have knob and tube wiring?

I'm very familiar with S.F. wiring and what's generally done is irrelevant. What's important is if your service is grounded. I wouldn't be surprised if you have several outlet circuits that are 14 gauge/ 15 amps as opposed to today's more common 12/20.

The Kill-A-Watt is useful but someone needs to read the load on all of your circuits under normal conditions at your circuit panel. Done right, it would be very useful information in your case.

Without knowing what a regenerator is, I'm suspicious. It sounds like it falls under the category of "there's no such thing as a free lunch".

While listening to my first GE Sevens the dealer was comparing them to the 2s. They were running full range with speaker level only. In fact they had so much bottom end slam that I asked him to hook up the the Sunfire SHR sub with the Sevens for comparison. I had to ask him to cut back on the bass on the 2s so they would sound as good as the 7s with sub. Even then I gave a slight nod to the 7s. Granted this wasn't lab level testing. In the end I was extremely impressed with both. Enough so that I'm going to do an in home comparison of the 7s and my Meridian DSP 5000 with my Sunfire sub in the mix.

While evaluating them I closed my eyes and thought there was no sensation of a BOX whatsoever. I really wished I had another room for the Meridians, they're that good. I've certainly enjoyed them for the short time I've had them.

BTW, the dealer had a demo room with a 5.1 setup of invisible speakers from Stealth Acoustics. It was strange looking at an unadorned sheet rock wall and hearing good music coming out. Weird.
post #34 of 118
Patrick, thanks. There is a big old fuse in the box outside where power enters the house, but we do have a breaker panel inside the structure. We have a mixture of knob-and-tube and more contemporary wiring in parts of the house that have had some remodeling. The living room where I have my system definitely is on knob-and-tube.

The regenerator I mentioned is the PS Audio Power Plant Premier: http://www.psaudio.com/products/power/power-plant-premier/. I thought it a useful investment after I got rid of the powered speakers and sub that repeatedly blew out components (mostly capacitors) when the power spiked.
post #35 of 118
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

That's not a fair comparison, as the twos have subs. I have heard time believing with a sub, those focals aren't as good or better.
To me it is fair and I do not use the focals for serious 2 channel. The GEs blow them away.
post #36 of 118
I have heard several Goldenear products on different sources. Wadia, Simaudio, and Integra. I have been impressed each time. Especially with the Simaudio behind them. Their strongest point is the tweeter. Detailed without being harsh or forward. Extremely impressive.

However, I do fear the built in subs of the Triton 2 and 3. If an amp board ever goes you will have serious issues. An amp board would likely be the first thing to go. For this reason I prefer the passive Triton 7 or Aons. I dont think the subs play as deep as their ratings indicate anyway.

I anticipate having a pair of Aon 3's for my computer room within a week.
post #37 of 118
@Goat1
To me the comparison with the Electras it is fair and I do not use the focals for serious 2 channel. I have four svs ultra pb13s running with the focals for the low end. The GEs blow them away regardless.
Edited by d_m1010 - 1/18/14 at 5:20am
post #38 of 118
Hi, Thanks Mark for the wonderful posting. It was a very exciting show and the response to the new Triton One was incredible. A few comments regarding some of the other posts here: The Tritons have built-in powered subwoofers which are quite precisely integrated into the whole system. Part of the beauty of built-in subs is the high level of integration and blending that you can achieve. All the Tritons with built-in powered subs use a DSP device to, among other things, very precisely tailor the blending of the sub with the rest of the system, in terms of frequency response, complex rolloff tailoring and phase. You could never achieve this with a separate sub. The new Triton One uses an even higher power DSP than that used in the Triton Two and Three. In normal use, you just hook the Tritons up with speaker wire to your amplifiers and the circuitry in the Triton takes the low frequency signal from this (a very low level portion of this) and then feeds it into the electronics where the DSP does its magic and it is then fed into the power amp section. You really can't bypass this and feed your power amp directly into the woofer driver, nor would you want to for many reasons. When used for home theater, the Tritons also have a separate LFE input. This can be utilized, with the processor set to Large Left and Right Main and Sub Yes (usually with just speaker wire it would be Sub No) to give you control over the LFE level, which many find desirable. Also, I know that several Triton Two owners that I have spoken with plan to move their Triton Twos to the rear to make way for Triton Ones up front and will be running a 4 way split from the LFE into all 4 Tritons. A truly an immersive LFE experience awaits them.
Regarding proximity of the side-mounted passives to side walls: this has really never been an issue. First, because with the sub level control on the back, you can tune the speakers to the room, their room position and personal taste. Also, the energy coming off the passive is something akin to a low frequency pressure wave and just a couple inches of clearance, such as provided by the base, is just fine. For imaging reasons, I like the speakers, all speakers actually, toe'd in directly at the central listening position.
Finally, I am a little mystified by Tony's comments, as they were certainly very different than almost every one else's. Tony, I'm sorry that you didn't get a good demo. I am curious as to what particular female vocal track that you heard which produced the boxy tonal character you are referring to? Normally, the speakers are, if anything, far from boxy, in fact quite the opposite as owners hear every day and almost all the listeners and the press heard at the show. I will post a compendium of press comments following this. All the Best, Sandy
post #39 of 118
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, Thanks Mark for the wonderful posting. It was a very exciting show and the response to the new Triton One was incredible. A few comments regarding some of the other posts here: The Tritons have built-in powered subwoofers which are quite precisely integrated into the whole system. Part of the beauty of built-in subs is the high level of integration and blending that you can achieve. All the Tritons with built-in powered subs use a DSP device to, among other things, very precisely tailor the blending of the sub with the rest of the system, in terms of frequency response, complex rolloff tailoring and phase. You could never achieve this with a separate sub. The new Triton One uses an even higher power DSP than that used in the Triton Two and Three. In normal use, you just hook the Tritons up with speaker wire to your amplifiers and the circuitry in the Triton takes the low frequency signal from this (a very low level portion of this) and then feeds it into the electronics where the DSP does its magic and it is then fed into the power amp section. You really can't bypass this and feed your power amp directly into the woofer driver, nor would you want to for many reasons. When used for home theater, the Tritons also have a separate LFE input. This can be utilized, with the processor set to Large Left and Right Main and Sub Yes (usually with just speaker wire it would be Sub No) to give you control over the LFE level, which many find desirable. Also, I know that several Triton Two owners that I have spoken with plan to move their Triton Twos to the rear to make way for Triton Ones up front and will be running a 4 way split from the LFE into all 4 Tritons. A truly an immersive LFE experience awaits them.
Regarding proximity of the side-mounted passives to side walls: this has really never been an issue. First, because with the sub level control on the back, you can tune the speakers to the room, their room position and personal taste. Also, the energy coming off the passive is something akin to a low frequency pressure wave and just a couple inches of clearance, such as provided by the base, is just fine. For imaging reasons, I like the speakers, all speakers actually, toe'd in directly at the central listening position.
Finally, I am a little mystified by Tony's comments, as they were certainly very different than almost every one else's. Tony, I'm sorry that you didn't get a good demo. I am curious as to what particular female vocal track that you heard which produced the boxy tonal character you are referring to? Normally, the speakers are, if anything, far from boxy, in fact quite the opposite as owners hear every day and almost all the listeners and the press heard at the show. I will post a compendium of press comments following this. All the Best, Sandy

Sandy, any updates on a new matching centre for the Triton One's? I really dont see the Supercentre Xl really keeping up for reference home theater use. Can you comment?
post #40 of 118
Hi, Here is the compendium of press postings that we have received so far regarding our showing at CES 2014. Along with Mark's comments here, which were very gratifying, I was also especially pleased that Tom Norton, of Sound & Vision and Stereophile fame, posted on Sound & Vision that we were his runner-up for Best Sound of CES behind the $31,500 Joseph Audio Pearls. And there were certainly many, many much more expensive speaker systems that he was placing us ahead of. Our goal was to produce a reasonably priced speaker that plays in the same sonic arena as the mega-buck super speakers and I think that we achieved this. All the Best, Sandy


http://www.digitaltrends.com/ces-videos/goldenear-technologys-flagship-triton-one-shames-speakers-costing-ten-times-much/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2014/01/12/ces-2014-high-end-audio-highlights/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/01/the-best-of-ces-2014/?viewall=true

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/GoldenEar-Triton-One-Flagship-Tower-Speaker-Makes-Its-Public-Debut-at-CES-2014.shtml

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/goldenear-launches-triton-one-tower-speaker-0

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php/shows-events/ces-2014-las-vegas-usa/152-ces-2014-features/461-goldenear-technology-s-terrific-triton-one

http://hdliving.com/uncategorized/2014/01/07/listen-goldenear-technology%E2%80%99s-triton-tower-speaker?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.residentialsystems.com/default.aspx?tabid=90&EntryId=721

http://sound-bar.net/goldenear-unveils-supercinema-3d-array-soundbar-at-ces-2014/

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/goldenear-technology-goes-wide-and-tall

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1511825/goldenear-triton-one-at-ces-2014
post #41 of 118
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Originally Posted by tusker1 View Post

Sandy, any updates on a new matching centre for the Triton One's? I really dont see the Supercentre Xl really keeping up for reference home theater use. Can you comment?

I can't speak for Sandy, but...

As an owner of the SuperCenter XL, I have a hard time believing this would be true. It's my understanding that the same basic driver and passive radiator technology used in the Sevens and the Ones is also used in the SCXL. I've never owned a better or more detailed center than the XL.
post #42 of 118
Hi, Yes, In reality the upper bass/midrange drivers in the SuperCenter XL are very similar to those in the Triton One (and Triton Seven). Basically, in the Triton One, they are crossed over at 6dB/octave at 100 Hz, and a center channel, at the normal 80Hz crossover, is usually 12 dB/octave. So the SuperCenter XL, within its range, has basically the same dynamic range capability as that section of the One. So, it will keep up, perhaps even at a slightly lower crossover as well. All the Best, Sandy
post #43 of 118
I'm curious. Why is the recommended amp power so high (20 – 650w), unless the Tritons don't plug into the wall and the amp itself is somehow driving the DSP circuitry?
Edited by prepress - 1/19/14 at 8:58am
post #44 of 118
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, Yes, In reality the upper bass/midrange drivers in the SuperCenter XL are very similar to those in the Triton One (and Triton Seven). Basically, in the Triton One, they are crossed over at 6dB/octave at 100 Hz, and a center channel, at the normal 80Hz crossover, is usually 12 dB/octave. So the SuperCenter XL, within its range, has basically the same dynamic range capability as that section of the One. So, it will keep up, perhaps even at a slightly lower crossover as well. All the Best, Sandy

In my room, the receiver set the crossover for the SCXL to 40hz (lots of reinforcement from the front screen wall). I raised it to 60 and so far have been very happy with it there. I doubt I'll raise it to 80.

Since the subject of female vocals came up, I thought I'd mention that HDTracks.com has a 15% off sale on high res albums by female singers through much of January. I downloaded five albums today (by Amber Rubarth, Cassandra Wilson, Diana Krall, Rebecca Pidgeon and Jen Chapin). I've been listening all day on the Triton Sevens. All I can say is that if the Ones are *anything* like the Sevens, "boxy" is the last word in the universe I'd use to describe the lower range of these vocals. I dragged myself away just now from "ReVisions" by Jen Chapin - a collection of Stevie Wonder songs, reimagined. Simply spectacular on the Sevens!!! Spectacular!!!
post #45 of 118
BTW, I'm listening to these female vocals full range, no room correction, with a Denon 3313. It's a pretty good room for sound. I have several bass traps, and the Seven's bass is taught and extremely musical. The Jen Chapin songs are accompanied by double bass and sax, with her voice floating effortlessly right in the middle of the soundstage. No Audyssey Auto Volume and definitely no Audyssey Auto EQ - just the pure, clean sound of the performers with all their untouched dynamic range.
post #46 of 118
I already have my order in! I've had my Triton 2s for less than a year and thought it would be years before I upgraded but I will for these! SO EXCITED!
post #47 of 118
Now what would be really delicious is a Triton created in the spirit of the Polk SDA. More mid/bass drivers and possibly a larger AMT tweeter. Multiple AMT tweeters would not offend me one bit. (Im sure that statement will open debate). The new Triton One appears to be similar to the Triton 2 but with enhancements in the powered woofer section. Give us a flagship that towers like a sky scraper and fills a room!!!


Edited by tritiumglo - 1/19/14 at 4:46am
post #48 of 118
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Now what would be really delicious is a Triton created in the spirit of the Polk SDA. More mid/bass drivers and possibly a larger AMT tweeter. Multiple AMT tweeters would not offend me one bit. (Im sure that statement will open debate). The new Triton One appears to be similar to the Triton 2 but with enhancements in the powered woofer section. Give us a flagship that towers like a sky scraper and fills a room!!!

You wrote in another thread that only Magico would be a step up for you?
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Stratus Golds since 1990. Have a set up front. Have a set for surrounds. Use the C6i for a center. NAD Master M15/M25 behind it all. The Golds are still my reference speaker. In order to see improvement I would have to do something crazy like Magico.
post #49 of 118
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You wrote in another thread that only Magico would be a step up for you?

Can you read?. I said "like" magico. There are other good things out there. It appears I have an AVS Stalker following me around...........
post #50 of 118
Hi Tritiumglo, I certainly appreciate your nostalgia for the SRS, which was an earlier speaker of mine. The SDA SRS was a speaker with inter aural crosstalk cancellation, so 1 column of drivers was devoted to cancellation, and remember, there was no built-in sub, so the drivers also had to handle that. The HVFR tweeter that we are using is capable of considerably more output than those domes back in the day. Can it put out as much output as 4 of those domes? I'm not certain, maybe, but the quality is in another league, as well as the advantages of being a point source. It is loafing in our design. The new Triton One is much more than just an improved subwoofer section. The upper bass/midrange drivers are different and are operating in a much larger chamber, so we were able to cross them in at 100 Hz, rather than 160 Hz. This is very significant. The cabinet is bigger, thicker, better braced and better damped. This is very significant. The chambers that the upper bass/midrange drivers are in are very angled. This cuts down on and spaces out internal reflections, much in the way Magico's teardrop shaped midrange chamber does in the new speaker they debuted at CES. Our new crossover has a balanced topology which is very significant. Of course the sub section is quite different, including a new 56 bit DSP device. The Triton One is also very tall and very sleek and there is much more. In reality, when you see and hear it, I think you will find the new Triton One is very much a," flagship that towers like a skyscraper and fills the room". All the Best, Sandy
post #51 of 118
I am well aware of your affiliation with Polk. SDA, RTA, Monitor Series. All fantastic. I owned several back in the day. I still have monitor 12s. Timeless favorites. Its obvious that your presence made that company what it was.

Thanx for the updated info on the Triton One. Your speaker line is fabulous. Im glad you introduced centers to match the Tritons. Keep the good stuff coming!

And please, never rule out making an SDA/SRS sized Triton.wink.gif
Edited by tritiumglo - 1/19/14 at 10:00pm
post #52 of 118
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Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post

Yes I definitely believe an in home audition is in order. I have the TWOS as well, as well as an AON 2 as a center and the supersat 3s as surrounds in my theater. And I must tell you..the sound is great. And the good thing about the the GEs is that have sub dials on the back so if placement to sidewalls is an issue for you. Then you can just dial da sub portion back to ther lowest point. What is your rooms standing wave if you know? Bass reinforcement can be very problematic and over blown in small/med. rooms However I love the flexibility that the TWOs allow they also recommend you toe them in so a direct reflection shouldn't be a problem along with a lower dial on the sub portion.
i was thinking about upgrading my rear speakers I have some boston acoustics bipole dipole speakers my center is a super center xl my r/l are tritons 2 not sure if I should buy the sat 3 or get the 50 or 60 how are you enjoying the at 3
post #53 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

i was thinking about upgrading my rear speakers I have some boston acoustics bipole dipole speakers my center is a super center xl my r/l are tritons 2 not sure if I should buy the sat 3 or get the 50 or 60 how are you enjoying the at 3

The sat 3s r fine 4 me...I have them xover at 110HZ ...I used 2 have the def techs bp2006 as my rears with the powered subs plugged in..and altho it was sub nirvana..All that wooferage kept trippin my breakers..:rolleyes :,,besides the sound being too localizable and less ambient. So I "upgraded" to the sat 3s and im happy..i still get the low-end slam from my Fathomf112 when the F18s or Boosters from Appollo 13 fly over my head..just not the chest-pounding feeling I use 2 get with the def techs...But thunder is still very convincing. At very loud levels tho..you can hear the small woofers in the 3s cry 4 mercy biggrin.gif
Edited by emofan21 - 1/25/14 at 4:39pm
post #54 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

i was thinking about upgrading my rear speakers I have some boston acoustics bipole dipole speakers my center is a super center xl my r/l are tritons 2 not sure if I should buy the sat 3 or get the 50 or 60 how are you enjoying the at 3

I have the Sat 3s for my bedroom system and they do a good job, especially since they're getting a lot of reinforcement from the side walls. The Aon 2s are more expensive, but they also go a lot deeper, so you could easily cross them over at 60 or 80hz. That would reduce the localization of sound FX.
post #55 of 118
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I have the Sat 3s for my bedroom system and they do a good job, especially since they're getting a lot of reinforcement from the side walls. The Aon 2s are more expensive, but they also go a lot deeper, so you could easily cross them over at 60 or 80hz. That would reduce the localization of sound FX.
This is true ..however placing the AONS will not be the most esthetically pleasing. I mean 1st the shelves..then hiding the speaker wire. The 3s fit perfectly in the upper corners and with speaker wire running up to them in the seams, there barely visible wink.gif
post #56 of 118
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Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post

This is true ..however placing the AONS will not be the most esthetically pleasing. I mean 1st the shelves..then hiding the speaker wire. The 3s fit perfectly in the upper corners and with speaker wire running up to them in the seams, there barely visible wink.gif
yes I would not like the sons on my wall I am debating between the sat 3 or the 60 or 50 wondering if there will be a big difference thanks for your response
post #57 of 118
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yes I would not like the sons on my wall I am debating between the sat 3 or the 60 or 50 wondering if there will be a big difference thanks for your response
Honestly eitha will suffice theres just the size difference and xtra drivers in 50 and 60 ....You will also be able to set the xover at 80HZ instead of 110 I have the 3s at..
post #58 of 118
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Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post

Honestly eitha will suffice theres just the size difference and xtra drivers in 50 and 60 ....You will also be able to set the xover at 80HZ instead of 110 I have the 3s at..
my tritons 2 are just breaking in and they are amazing wondering were you have set your dial on the tritons 2 at ?
post #59 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

my tritons 2 are just breaking in and they are amazing wondering were you have set your dial on the tritons 2 at ?
I have them at the 9 oclock mark...started at the 12 oclock..but im also running them via LFE to my processor so I have the subs playing all LFE signals along with my Fathom F112. For a more even bass response. Believe it or not it also improved my midrange intelligibility. I know GE recommends running them str8 speaker wire and run them full range (which I do anyways) but for HT using the LFE really brings out the power in the tritons. But 4 music only running them speaker wire only is much better. Since their isn't any real low bass notes in music.It gives the DSP a chance to do its work by providing a more even sound across the frequency range all the way down to 35hz.
post #60 of 118
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Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post

I have them at the 9 oclock mark...started at the 12 oclock..but im also running them via LFE to my processor so I have the subs playing all LFE signals along with my Fathom F112. For a more even bass response. Believe it or not it also improved my midrange intelligibility. I know GE recommends running them str8 speaker wire and run them full range (which I do anyways) but for HT using the LFE really brings out the power in the tritons. But 4 music only running them speaker wire only is much better. Since their isn't any real low bass notes in music.It gives the DSP a chance to do its work by providing a more even sound across the frequency range all the way down to 35hz.
thanks were did you get your splitter for the lfe?
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